---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/23/12: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:27 AM - Handheld comm radio (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 2. 10:26 AM - Re: Handheld comm radio (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 3. 10:31 AM - Re: outrigger legs (jonathanmilbank) 4. 01:06 PM - Re: Handheld comm radio (Bud Yerly) 5. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: 914 - rough running, and RPM drop when testing the A circuit (Bud Yerly) 6. 06:46 PM - Re: Handheld comm radio (Robert Borger) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:59 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: Europa-List: Handheld comm radio Does anyone have experience (good or bad) with a handheld VHF comm radio used in the aircraft? I am interested in this option as a second radio on board, both in case the installed radio should fail and -primarily - as a means of listening to VFR traffic close to non-towered airports and air-to-air communication (fairly close range) while still listening to the traffic controllers on radio no. 1. Info on radio, connection to external antenna if any, connection to headset, etc., appreciated. Regards Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Handheld comm radio From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Svein I mounted a Vertex handheld in my panel run through an audio panel. (not flying yet) I have a separate antenna for the Vertex. I have the AAE antenna folded in half so that it works equally as bad on Nav and Com. Reality is it probably will function ~ 75% of it being properly orientated. Works a lot better than the rubber ducky antenna. The antenna is easily removable so you can work in the back. Using a better antenna than the rubber ducky will give you a lot better results no matter what radio you use. Pics of panel mounted radio: http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=27305 Pics of removable antenna (folded in half): http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=31216 Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:39 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: outrigger legs From: "jonathanmilbank" Remi, PM me if you still need help. Perhaps I might be of assistance. Jonathan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383840#383840 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:45 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Handheld comm radio Svein, I have used portables in the Europa with only the rubber duckie antenna and find ranges of 15-20 miles without a problem. I use the plug in adapters for my headsets in the radio to improve hearing and communicating... This makes listening to the main and standby radio difficult with a speaker in the plane near your head. The handheld will pick up the EM from the speaker and it drives the squelch to an annoying level. I will use the hand held with one headphone off if I need to use two radios. My experience in the military with only one radio makes listening to the handheld or com 2 a pain. I guess I am just a one thing at a time guy and not a multi-tasker. Increase your range by installing an antenna such as the Advanced Aircraft Electronics (AAE) brand which have a built in ground plane. Run a coax wire from the antenna into the passenger headrest and it works pretty good. Transmitting through the engine with the duckie antenna is a problem in the pattern so figure the guy pulling out on the runway with you on final, may not hear you well. Choose a handheld with a 5 watt power output and it works very well with the AAE brand antenna as a backup for radio failure. Using it for a trip will require aircraft power. Glider pilots have been using them for com for quite some time with the stick on the canopy optional antennas sold by most handheld manufacturers. Bud Yerly Europa Tech Support ----- Original Message ----- From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 12:27 PM Subject: Europa-List: Handheld comm radio Does anyone have experience (good or bad) with a handheld VHF comm radio used in the aircraft? I am interested in this option as a second radio on board, both in case the installed radio should fail and -primarily - as a means of listening to VFR traffic close to non-towered airports and air-to-air communication (fairly close range) while still listening to the traffic controllers on radio no. 1. Info on radio, connection to external antenna if any, connection to headset, etc., appreciated. Regards Svein LN-SKJ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:45 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: 914 - rough running, and RPM drop when testing the A circuit Kees Had the same experience. Good ohm check of the coil, but after buying two coils and swapping them around, finally found the bad one. Tell tale sign was the steel plates that make up the core had corroded and began to split a bit at the edge. Autopsy revealed the inside was worse. I guess the distance of the split of only a fraction of a mm reduced the coils effectiveness. Found a second coil with corrosion and changed it out also. We also used a timing light on each plug wire looking for weak spark or a miss, and that was somewhat effective finding it also. Very frustrating to do though, as the proximity of the pickup to the plug and direction of the pickup must be the same on each cylinder to get results that are conclusive. Bottom line is it is a bit of trial and error. Not for the impatient or those of limited means. It takes a bit of time. Regards, Bud Yerly Tech Support ----- Original Message ----- From: kees de bussy To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 21, 2012 6:44 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: 914 - rough running, and RPM drop when testing the A circuit > For what it is worth. I experienced 2 times a similar problem with my Rotax 912s. About 4 years ago for the first time and it was figured out that 1 of the wires of 1 of the ignition boxes was broken close to the connector. The wire was soldered which solved the problem. A few weeks ago it happened again. So I checked the wires but with no result. Furthermore I checked the spark plug leads, spark plug connectors, pull off force, etc. replaced all the spark plugs but no results. Eventually the problem was located by a local Rotax dealer who discovered a faulty ignition coil. The error in the ignition coil could not be detected by measurement but only by swapping parts. Hence it was a real pain to find out. Good luck. Kees de Bussy PH-SBR Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383693#383693 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:23 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Handheld comm radio Sven, I have flown a couple sport biplanes which used handheld radios wired into t he cockpit. Adaptors for standard headsets and some sort of adaptor for PTT on the stick. Wired to A/C power and coax to external wire antenna. Worke d very well. Best regards, Robert Borger, President Geowhiziks & Doodlebugging, Inc. Certified Petroleum Geophysicist AAPG#101 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 (H) 940-497-2123 (C) 817-992-1117 Sent from my iPad On Sep 23, 2012, at 12:27, Sidsel & Svein Johnsen wrote: Does anyone have experience (good or bad) with a handheld VHF comm radio use d in the aircraft? I am interested in this option as a second radio on boar d, both in case the installed radio should fail and =93primarily =93 as a means of listening to VFR traffic close to non-towered airports and air-to-air communication (fairly close range) while still listening to the t raffic controllers on radio no. 1. Info on radio, connection to external antenna if any, connection to headset, etc., appreciated. 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