---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/24/12: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:10 AM - Re: Handheld comm radio (Max Cointe) 2. 12:53 AM - Re: outrigger legs (Guerner Remi) 3. 01:44 AM - fuel flow (Max Cointe) 4. 02:30 AM - Re: fuel flow (danny shepherd) 5. 02:57 AM - SV: fuel flow (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 6. 03:17 AM - Re: fuel flow (Kevin Challis) 7. 04:29 AM - fuel tank (Karl Heindl) 8. 04:48 AM - Re: fuel tank (Peter Zutrauen) 9. 06:27 AM - Re: fuel tank (William Daniell) 10. 06:48 AM - Re: fuel tank (Peter Zutrauen) 11. 06:51 AM - Re: fuel tank (Peter Zutrauen) 12. 07:26 AM - SV: Handheld comm radio (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) 13. 07:51 AM - Re: Handheld comm radio (Max Cointe) 14. 08:03 AM - Re: outrigger legs (jonathanmilbank) 15. 11:33 AM - Re: fuel flow (graeme bird) 16. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: outrigger legs (Raimo Toivio) 17. 01:58 PM - Re: fuel flow (Raimo Toivio) 18. 09:56 PM - Re: fuel flow (Kevin Challis) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:53 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Handheld comm radio Just bought this week an Icon IC-A6FR as I had a radio failure during our last trip and it was inside a CTR=85 Standard connection to head-set is available in the package. Reception is loud and clear (even in the hangar which is the worst situation, much more than in the plane). I wasn=92t yet able to experiment deeply the quality of the emission as I was alone in the ship but it works fine. I will do it probably next WE and let you know. Max Cointe F-PMLH Europa_TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours mcointe@free.fr De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Sidsel & Svein Johnsen Envoy=E9 : dimanche 23 septembre 2012 18:27 =C0 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : Europa-List: Handheld comm radio Does anyone have experience (good or bad) with a handheld VHF comm radio used in the aircraft? I am interested in this option as a second radio on board, both in case the installed radio should fail and 'primarily ' as a means of listening to VFR traffic close to non-towered airports and air-to-air communication (fairly close range) while still listening to the traffic controllers on radio no. 1. Info on radio, connection to external antenna if any, connection to headset, etc., appreciated. Regards Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:07 AM PST US From: Guerner Remi Subject: Europa-List: Re: outrigger legs Jonathan, I have finally installed the new nylon rods supplied by the factory and have flown a few hours since without trouble. But because the supplied rods were badly machined, I had to cut them, then install extensions. So I still consider this fix as temporary and I am considering alternative solutions using composite or metal tapered rods. Other suggestions? Remi <<<<<>>>>> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:29 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe" Subject: Europa-List: fuel flow Hi there All, I'd like to install a fuel flow like FuelScan 450 from JP Instruments. Has anyone installed that specific instrument? Or installed any other ? Because of the fuel return line do you think I need to install 2 transducers like Flow Scan 201 Max Cointe F-PMLH Europa_TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours mcointe@free.fr ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:30:15 AM PST US From: danny shepherd Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel flow Hi Max, I installed a jpi fuel flow and did fit two transducers. I believe you can get away with one. The fuel meter has worked perfectly for the last three years. Danny G-c.e.r.i. xs tri 912s On 24/09/2012 09:43, Max Cointe wrote: > > Hi there All, > > I'd like to install a fuel flow like FuelScan 450 from JP Instruments. > > Has anyone installed that specific instrument? Or installed any other ? > > Because of the fuel return line do you think I need to install 2 > transducers like Flow Scan 201 > > Max Cointe > > F-PMLH Europa_TriGear > > Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours > > mcointe@free.fr > > * > > > * > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:31 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: fuel flow Max, I have the Electronics International FP-5 fuel totalizer for my 912ULS installation. If your fuel system is per the Europa manual, you definitely need return flow transducer (which is optional with the EI totalizer). The return flow is substantial. I fitted the feed flow transducer between the engine driven fuel pump and the right side carb, and the return flow transducer inside the center tunnel - I have a hatch in the fuselage bottom for access to whatever I have inside the tunnel. The system worked right out of the box, with no calibration necessary for very accurate reading of remaining fuel. Great tool also for fine-tuning speed vs. fuel consumption at various gross weights. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:36 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel flow From: Kevin Challis I have fitted a floscan after the return line on the 912uls it works great. I have the ff1 instrument. Kevin Challis G ODJG tri gear 912uls On 24 Sep 2012, at 09:43, "Max Cointe" wrote: > Hi there All, > > I=99d like to install a fuel flow like FuelScan 450 from JP Instrume nts. > Has anyone installed that specific instrument? Or installed any other ? > Because of the fuel return line do you think I need to install 2 transduce rs like Flow Scan 201 > > > Max Cointe > F-PMLH Europa_TriGear > Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours > mcointe@free.fr > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:59 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: Europa-List: fuel tank Could someone please remind me what type of plastic the tank is made of ? Many thanks=2C Karl ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:17 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank Hi Karl! LowDensityPolyEthelyne (LDPE) as I understand it. The material requires "fluorination" to become less porous to the fuel and prevent swelling and cracking. Cheers, Pete On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Karl Heindl wrote: > Could someone please remind me what type of plastic the tank is made of ? > > Many thanks, > > Karl > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank From: "William Daniell" SG93IGRvIHlvdSBmbG91cmluYXRlPyAgSSBkb24ndCBzdXBwb3NlIHlvdSBjYW4gZG8gaXQgd2l0 aCB0aGUgdGFuayBhbHJlYWR5IGluPz8NCkkgYW0gc2xpZ2h0bHkgd29uZGVyaW5nIHdoZXRoZXIs IGJlZm9yZSBJIHB1dCBteSB0b3Agb24gdG8gZG8gInNvbWV0aGluZyIgYWJvdXQgdGhlIHRhbmsg aGF2aW5nIGhlYXJkIHNldmVyYWwgaG9ycm9yIHN0b3JpZXMuICBJIHdvdWxkIGJlIGd1dHRlZCB0 byBmaWxsIHVwIG15IG5pY2UgZmluaXNoZWQgYWVyb3BsYW5lIGFuZCB0byBzZWUgYSBwdWRkbGUg b24gdGhlIHRhcm1hYy4gIFRoaXMgbW9tZW50ICBwcmV2aW91c2x5IGNvbXBsZXRlbHkgdGhlb3Jl dGljYWwgaXMgc3RpbGwgYSB3YXkgb2ZmIGJ1dCBpdCBpcyBhY3R1YWxseSBiZWNvbWluZyBhIHJl YWxpdHkgdGhhdCBJIG1pZ2h0IGZpbmlzaCBvbmUgZGF5DQpBbnkgdGhvdWdodHMgYW55b25lPw0K V2lsbA0KLS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IFBldGVyIFp1dHJhdWVuIDxw ZXRlcnpAenV0cmFzb2Z0LmNvbT4NClNlbmRlcjogIm93bmVyLWV1cm9wYS1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBt YXRyb25pY3MuY29tIg0KCTxvd25lci1ldXJvcGEtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4N CkRhdGU6IE1vbiwgMjQgU2VwIDIwMTIgMDY6NDc6MzUgDQpUbzogZXVyb3BhLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9u aWNzLmNvbTxldXJvcGEtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPjsgS2FybCBIZWluZGw8a2hlaW5kbEBt c24uY29tPg0KUmVwbHktVG86ICJldXJvcGEtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tIiA8ZXVyb3BhLWxp c3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJlOiBFdXJvcGEtTGlzdDogZnVlbCB0YW5rDQoN CkhpIEthcmwhDQoNCkxvd0RlbnNpdHlQb2x5RXRoZWx5bmUgICAoTERQRSkgIGFzIEkgdW5kZXJz dGFuZCBpdC4NCg0KVGhlIG1hdGVyaWFsIHJlcXVpcmVzICJmbHVvcmluYXRpb24iIHRvIGJlY29t ZSBsZXNzIHBvcm91cyB0byB0aGUgZnVlbCBhbmQgcHJldmVudCBzd2VsbGluZyBhbmQgY3JhY2tp bmcuDQoNCkNoZWVycywNClBldGUNCg0KDQoNCk9uIE1vbiwgU2VwIDI0LCAyMDEyIGF0IDc6Mjkg QU0sIEthcmwgSGVpbmRsIDxraGVpbmRsQG1zbi5jb208bWFpbHRvOmtoZWluZGxAbXNuLmNvbT4+ IHdyb3RlOg0KQ291bGQgc29tZW9uZSBwbGVhc2UgcmVtaW5kIG1lIHdoYXQgdHlwZSBvZiBwbGFz dGljIHRoZSB0YW5rIGlzIG1hZGUgb2YgPw0KDQpNYW55IHRoYW5rcywNCg0KS2FybA0KDQoNCg0K YXJnZXQ9Il9ibGFuayI+aHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL05hdmlnYXRvcj9FdXJvcGEt TGlzdA0KdHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQ0KX2JsYW5rIj5odHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJv bmljcy5jb20vY29udHJpYnV0aW9uDQoNCg0KDQoNCg0KDQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQ0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgIC0g VGhlIEV1cm9wYS1MaXN0IEVtYWlsIEZvcnVtIC0NCl8tPSBVc2UgdGhlIE1hdHJvbmljcyBMaXN0 IEZlYXR1cmVzIE5hdmlnYXRvciB0byBicm93c2UNCl8tPSB0aGUgbWFueSBMaXN0IHV0aWxpdGll cyBzdWNoIGFzIExpc3QgVW4vU3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uLA0KXy09IEFyY2hpdmUgU2VhcmNoICYgRG93 bmxvYWQsIDctRGF5IEJyb3dzZSwgQ2hhdCwgRkFRLA0KXy09IFBob3Rvc2hhcmUsIGFuZCBtdWNo IG11Y2ggbW9yZToNCl8tPQ0KXy09ICAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbS9OYXZp Z2F0b3I/RXVyb3BhLUxpc3QNCl8tPQ0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIC0gTUFUUk9O SUNTIFdFQiBGT1JVTVMgLQ0KXy09IFNhbWUgZ3JlYXQgY29udGVudCBhbHNvIGF2YWlsYWJsZSB2 aWEgdGhlIFdlYiBGb3J1bXMhDQpfLT0NCl8tPSAgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmlj cy5jb20NCl8tPQ0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAtIExpc3QgQ29udHJpYnV0aW9uIFdl YiBTaXRlIC0NCl8tPSAgVGhhbmsgeW91IGZvciB5b3VyIGdlbmVyb3VzIHN1cHBvcnQhDQpfLT0g ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAtTWF0dCBEcmFsbGUsIExpc3QgQWRtaW4uDQpf LT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbg0KXy09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0NCg0K DQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:45 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank Hi Will, Indeed the tank as received from Europa is Fluorinated, albeit to a lower level in my tank's case to what I managed to arrange by a US treatment factory. You can see my request out to the group for interested builders to share in the expense, but found none so I went ahead and paid their high minimum lot fee. If there were a bunch of tanks (and cobras) it could have cost as little as $40/tank. The process is done in a temp/pressure controlled chamber, and the tank must be free of contaminants to avoid being damaged in the process. Mine came back with a 'thick frost' textured finish, and was done to the same level as the do for the auto industryy to meet the evaporative emissions requirements. The contact info was: Neal Christopher Plant Manager Fluoro-Seal International 29 Royal Drive Forest Park, GA 30297 Ph: 404-363-0008 Fax: 404-363-9611 E-Mail: 60Atlanta@fsicorp.com Web: www.fluoroseal.com Transforming Plastics. Making the Impossible Possible Cheers, Pete PS- if anyone endevours to get their tanks done, I'd love to jump into the order, with a small motorcycle plastic gas tank that I have not yet installed :-) On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Daniell wrote: > ** > How do you flourinate? I don't suppose you can do it with the tank already > in?? > I am slightly wondering whether, before I put my top on to do "something" > about the tank having heard several horror stories. I would be gutted to > fill up my nice finished aeroplane and to see a puddle on the tarmac. This > moment previously completely theoretical is still a way off but it is > actually becoming a reality that I might finish one day > Any thoughts anyone? > Will > ------------------------------ > *From: * Peter Zutrauen > *Sender: * "owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com" < > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> > *Date: *Mon, 24 Sep 2012 06:47:35 -0500 > *To: *europa-list@matronics.com; Karl Heindl< > kheindl@msn.com> > *ReplyTo: * "europa-list@matronics.com" > *Subject: *Re: Europa-List: fuel tank > > Hi Karl! > > LowDensityPolyEthelyne (LDPE) as I understand it. > > The material requires "fluorination" to become less porous to the fuel and > prevent swelling and cracking. > > Cheers, > Pete > > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Karl Heindl wrote: > >> Could someone please remind me what type of plastic the tank is made of ? >> >> Many thanks, >> >> Karl >> >> * >> >> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:56 AM PST US From: Peter Zutrauen Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel tank oh, forgot to mention, the treatment must be done *after* all cutouts are complete, as *any* open fresh cut edge will allow the fuel to soak into the LDPE regardless of the surface treatment. This was made very clear to me by Fluoro-Seal Int.. This could be one reason why the factory's process is not very effective - besides the lower-level of fluorination which was used - at least for my tank circa 2001. as for the effectiveness - I cannot say, as I still have a pile of parts :-( Cheers Pete On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:47 AM, Peter Zutrauen wrote: > Hi Will, > > Indeed the tank as received from Europa is Fluorinated, albeit to a lower > level in my tank's case to what I managed to arrange by a US treatment > factory. You can see my request out to the group for interested builders > to share in the expense, but found none so I went ahead and paid their high > minimum lot fee. If there were a bunch of tanks (and cobras) it could have > cost as little as $40/tank. The process is done in a temp/pressure > controlled chamber, and the tank must be free of contaminants to avoid > being damaged in the process. > > Mine came back with a 'thick frost' textured finish, and was done to the > same level as the do for the auto industryy to meet the evaporative > emissions requirements. > > The contact info was: > > > Neal Christopher > Plant Manager > Fluoro-Seal International > 29 Royal Drive > Forest Park, GA 30297 > Ph: 404-363-0008 > Fax: 404-363-9611 > E-Mail: 60Atlanta@fsicorp.com > Web: www.fluoroseal.com > Transforming Plastics. Making the Impossible Possible > > > Cheers, > Pete > > PS- if anyone endevours to get their tanks done, I'd love to jump into > the order, with a small motorcycle plastic gas tank that I have not yet > installed :-) > > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 9:31 AM, William Daniell wrote: > >> ** >> How do you flourinate? I don't suppose you can do it with the tank >> already in?? >> I am slightly wondering whether, before I put my top on to do "something" >> about the tank having heard several horror stories. I would be gutted to >> fill up my nice finished aeroplane and to see a puddle on the tarmac. This >> moment previously completely theoretical is still a way off but it is >> actually becoming a reality that I might finish one day >> Any thoughts anyone? >> Will >> ------------------------------ >> *From: * Peter Zutrauen >> *Sender: * "owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com" < >> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> >> *Date: *Mon, 24 Sep 2012 06:47:35 -0500 >> *To: *europa-list@matronics.com; Karl Heindl< >> kheindl@msn.com> >> *ReplyTo: * "europa-list@matronics.com" >> *Subject: *Re: Europa-List: fuel tank >> >> Hi Karl! >> >> LowDensityPolyEthelyne (LDPE) as I understand it. >> >> The material requires "fluorination" to become less porous to the fuel >> and prevent swelling and cracking. >> >> Cheers, >> Pete >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Karl Heindl wrote: >> >>> Could someone please remind me what type of plastic the tank is made of >>> ? >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> >>> Karl >>> >>> * >>> >>> arget="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> * >>> >>> >> * >> >> * >> >> > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:40 AM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Handheld comm radio Thanks very much for the several replies. It seems to be clear that an external antenna is required for good transmission, so I will check out the AAE antenna which Aircraft Spruce sells. As for the radio, it is interesting to note the FR notation after the type number on your Icom radio, Max (Icom IC-A6FR). From what I can understand, this is as special model (or a special package) including a filter which makes it an approved aviation radio for French registered light aircrafts. Can you comment on this, Max - my French is not what it used to be (never was ...). The French Icom promotion video shows this radio in a cockpit with an external antenna cable connected - is that your set-up, too, Max? I could not see that a hand-held mike is available for this radio, though. Regards, Svein ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:03 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Handheld comm radio Svein, That=92s exactly it : the FR extension means that a kit including a filter is delivered with the radio and then is approved for in flight use (but I guess it=92s more a regulation constraint than physical need). I=92ve not yet installed an external antenna, I will try first to evaluate what could be the distance where I could be heard=85 The kit comes with an additional plug to connect your head-set (mike and hears) which includes a entry for the emission switch. Max Cointe F-PMLH Europa_TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours mcointe@free.fr De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Sidsel & Svein Johnsen Envoy=E9 : lundi 24 septembre 2012 16:26 =C0 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : SV: Europa-List: Handheld comm radio Thanks very much for the several replies. It seems to be clear that an external antenna is required for good transmission, so I will check out the AAE antenna which Aircraft Spruce sells. As for the radio, it is interesting to note the FR notation after the type number on your Icom radio, Max (Icom IC-A6FR). From what I can understand, this is as special model (or a special package) including a filter which makes it an approved aviation radio for French registered light aircrafts. Can you comment on this, Max ' my French is not what it used to be (never was =85..). The French Icom promotion video shows this radio in a cockpit with an external antenna cable connected ' is that your set-up, too, Max? I could not see that a hand-held mike is available for this radio, though. Regards, Svein ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:22 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: outrigger legs From: "jonathanmilbank" In November my classic mono/tail wheel will be with Neville Eyre in Yorkshire getting tri-gear fitted, after I have flown it for 15 years with the "heroic" undercarriage. The time has arrived for me to have fewer challenges while approaching retirement and approaching runways. The tri-gear "trainer" wheels will get me used to the idea that some day I may need to accept being in a wheelchair, which will be okay as long as there's a pretty nurse to push me. So I should soon have a pair of outrigger legs to give to a deserving cause around mid November. The main problem for most Europa mono owners is that the legs are almost certainly too short, because I still have the original (and best) direct drive tail wheel under the fin. Subsequent legs were lengthened for aircraft with the extended tail wheel. I think it will be almost impossible to remove my wheel forks or the sockets from the legs, but for the right person with an antique Europa, these legs are very special, tried and tested in operational extremes, aged and matured like a fine whisky in our Scottish climate, with a provenance of having been taken to their operational limits repeatedly by some of the most experienced pilots in this fair land. Really they should be listed among the wonders of the world, but I couldn't cope with such fame by association, so I'll just have to let them go quietly as is often stated in newspaper classifieds under Pets: "Free to a good home". So sad, c'est la vie! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383896#383896 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:06 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: fuel flow From: "graeme bird" I have just fitted the EI FP-5L with two FD-60 sensors (now in the mod thanks Ian R) seems to be wroking fine. I put the transducers in the cavity where the fuel select switch is away from the engine -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Woodcomp 3000/W Newby: 35 hours g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383905#383905 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:28 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: outrigger legs From: Raimo Toivio > > The tri-gear "trainer" wheels will get me used to the idea that some day I > may need to accept being in a wheelchair, which will be okay as long as > there's a pretty nurse to push me. > > Do not worry Jonathan - pilots get always the prettiest nurse as long as they are able to talk good pilot stories like mono landings. After, she will sit on you (on the wheel chair) and you start to push hard. Cheers - Raimo OH-XRT Finland > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Terveisin, Raimo Toivio RWM-SYSTEMS "=E4lyk=E4st=E4 informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980" 37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4 FINLAND p. 03 - 3753 777 f. 03 - 3753 100 www.rwm.fi info@rwm.fi ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel flow From: Raimo Toivio Hi Max I installed Flight Data System=B4s FC-10 and only one sender FT-60 "red cube". My fuel system is as per manual (including fuel strainers, electric gauge and a return line one way valve). I considered very carefully the ideal place for transducer. One is good to go and readings are accurate. See attachment. System has operated perfectly and I am very happy about it. Should be mandatory - it is very accurate and useful. It really gives you peace of mind. I will never give it away! I connected it also to GPS - so it even know how much fuel I will need to my destination and how much I will have after landing (reserve). Calibration was straight forward and in my case the per/cent value was 94%. FDS company service was exellent. Cheers, - Raimo OH-XRT 331 hrs Finland 2012/9/24 Kevin Challis > I have fitted a floscan after the return line on the 912uls it works > great. I have the ff1 instrument. > > Kevin Challis > G ODJG tri gear 912uls > > > On 24 Sep 2012, at 09:43, "Max Cointe" wrote: > > Hi there All,**** > > ** ** > > I=92d like to install a fuel flow like FuelScan 450 from JP Instruments. *** > * > > Has anyone installed that specific instrument? Or installed any other ?** * > * > > Because of the fuel return line do you think I need to install 2 > transducers like Flow Scan 201**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Max Cointe**** > > F-PMLH Europa_TriGear**** > > Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours**** > > mcointe@free.fr**** > > ** ** > > * > > ======================== > tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > ======================== ===========cs.com > ======================== ===========matronics.com/contribution > ======================== > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Terveisin, Raimo Toivio RWM-SYSTEMS "=E4lyk=E4st=E4 informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980" 37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4 FINLAND p. 03 - 3753 777 f. 03 - 3753 100 www.rwm.fi info@rwm.fi ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:56:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel flow From: Kevin Challis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.