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1. 12:27 AM - Re: fuel flow (Max Cointe)
2. 12:44 AM - Re: Re: fuel flow (Raimo Toivio)
3. 02:15 AM - Re: fuel flow (Raimo Toivio)
4. 02:33 AM - Re: Re: outrigger legs (Raimo Toivio)
5. 05:28 AM - Re: fuel flow (Paul McAllister)
6. 05:33 AM - Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop (Paul McAllister)
7. 06:34 AM - Re: Europa Fly In - October 5,6 & 7 (h&jeuropa)
8. 07:11 AM - The 914 saga ()
9. 07:38 AM - Re: Re: Silicone Hoses for the Rotax 912 / 914 (Richard Churchill-Coleman)
10. 07:54 AM - Re: The 914 saga (David Joyce)
11. 10:54 AM - Re: fuel flow (Raimo Toivio)
12. 01:03 PM - Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop (Alan Carter)
13. 02:44 PM - Re: Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop (Bob Harrison)
14. 03:49 PM - Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop (Alan Carter)
15. 04:00 PM - Re: Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
16. 04:22 PM - Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop (Alan Carter)
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Ian,
Sorry for the confusion between Yankee=92s and Brit=92s regulations=85
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Max Cointe
F-PMLH Europa_TriGear
Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours
<mailto:mcointe@free.fr> mcointe@free.fr
De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de G-IANI
Envoy=E9 : mercredi 26 septembre 2012 19:35
=C0 : europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : RE: Europa-List: fuel flow
Nigel/Max
The Mod quoted is the LAA Mod 12209 which I wrote (Not an FAA Mod). In
the
document I quoted what some builders had said which was that they had
obtained adequate results by assuming the return flow was constant and
=93fixing=94 the =93K=94 factor accordingly..
The best solution as other have stated is to get a single transducer
located
after the bleed to the return line. If you cannot achieve this (and are
feeling rich) two transducers (one flow and the other return) is the way
to
go.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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All
. After burning 40 liters there is only a discrepancy of half a liter.
>
I have always a full tank before my departure. It is very easy to tell
FC-10 that I have refueled: just hit the button and keep it bottom to get a
reading "68,1 liters of fuel omboard".
After landing it tells I have say 17,4 liters still left. I have verified
this many times and accuracy is around +/- 1%. That means there is fuel
17,2 - 17,6 liters omboard. Please remember I have a setup "fuel return
line and one transducer only".
Later I calibrated it so that I always have about 5% more than it shows.
Just in case.
Thanks Jurgen.
Cheers,
- Raimo from Finland
OH-XRT 330 hrs in 6 summers (100 hrs during this summer + 22 hrs AN-2
flights)
> And I have too all the benefits Raimo mentioned and I agree with him that
> this system should be mandatory.
> Sorry for my bad phrasing.
>
> Juergen
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> Read this topic online here:
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Max
Raimo, did you measure the discrepancy at various power setting?
It matches just perfect with all the power settings. I calibrated it after
5 flights to get readings I was happy (I wanted to have 5% fuel more than
it shows). Then I verified it after five more flights.
I really trust it. When it shows "you have 9 liters of fuel omboard" it is
time to select a reserve side (and hope your target is nearby). Especially
when flying overseas and you cannot see the coastline at FL 80 it is really
your friend in the panel...
Mostly I select a window "liters /hour just now". I really wanna get an
instant warning if my engine starts to drink more or less without any power
adjustments.
I regularly say every 15 minutes check my endurance and estimated reserve
in the target and compare it to the fuel gauge readings AND to the
information in my head.
As a curiositet - I had one expert who was helping me to measure fuel
quantities. Kim Prout from California was here and helped me. He is a real
Europa man and a wonderful person. He is also a master to sing Finnish
songs in the karaoke bar...I quarantee!
Raimo
OH-XRT
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2012/9/25 Max Cointe <mcointe@free.fr>
> Nigel,****
>
> There is a mod 12209 approved by FAA stating that for 912ULS a single
> transducer could fit as the variations of the quantity of fuel returned t
o
> tank are small (but dependant of the variation of power setting). I
> understand that the tuning of factor K should cover it. The same mod stat
es
> that 2 transducers are mandatory for the 914.****
>
> ** **
>
> Raimo, did you measure the discrepancy at various power setting? ****
>
> ** **
>
> Max Cointe****
>
> F-PMLH Europa_TriGear****
>
> Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours****
>
> mcointe@free.fr****
>
> ** **
>
> *De :* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *De la part de*
> nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk
> *Envoy=E9 :* mardi 25 septembre 2012 09:08
> *=C0 :* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Objet :* Re: Europa-List: fuel flow****
>
> ** **
>
> Hi Raimo,
>
> This is a nice looking bit of kit. Curiosity took me to the FDS website
> for more info and having downloaded the manual, I notice that they specif
y
> a second FT-60 "red cube" flow transducer should be used in the fuel retu
rn
> line when used with a Rotax 912x installation. How did you get away with
> using only one and still maintain accuracy?
>
> Nigel****
>
> On 24/09/2012 21:57, Raimo Toivio wrote:****
>
> Hi Max****
>
> ****
>
> I installed Flight Data System=B4s FC-10 and only one sender FT-60 "red
> cube". My fuel system is as per manual (including fuel strainers, electri
c
> gauge and a return line one way valve).****
>
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RWM-SYSTEMS
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37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4
FINLAND
p. 03 - 3753 777
f. 03 - 3753 100
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| Subject: | Re: outrigger legs |
2012/9/25 jonathanmilbank <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
> jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
>
> Raimo. Thanks for that thought, but I doubt that I will have strength lef
t
> in my arms at that age to push the wheels of a wheelchair with two sittin
g
> on it together.
>
Jonathan; have an electric wheelchair if you wanna travel same time and use
your old but still strong hands for better purposes in that case.
Maybe you should also save at least one lovely and long enough spare leg
for her.
Raimo
>
> However we are not talking about my old arms, but the lovely legs of my
> other girlfriend Europa G-EIKY. If they are long enough for Remi, then he
> is welcome to have them; to enjoy their supple strength.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383979#383979
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RWM-SYSTEMS
"=E4lyk=E4st=E4 informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980"
37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4
FINLAND
p. 03 - 3753 777
f. 03 - 3753 100
www.rwm.fi
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>
> As a curiositet - I had one expert who was helping me to measure fuel
> quantities. Kim Prout from California was here and helped me. He is a real
> Europa man and a wonderful person. He is also a master to sing Finnish
> songs in the karaoke bar...I quarantee!
>
> Raimo
> OH-XRT
>
>
Kim Prout singing Finnish songs! Could you post this on YouTube ? This I
HAVE to see :)
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| Subject: | Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop |
I can say that using Mark's prop balancer is so easy its almost like
cheating.
>From my limited experience variations in the blades are not big
contributor. On an Airmaster hub it seems like most of the balance /
imbalance comes from the hub/spinner. This is counter intuitive to me, I
would have expected that with the blade having a larger angular moment that
it would be the biggest contributor.
Paul
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On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:47 AM, David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>wrote:
> davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
>
> Alan, it would be worth contacting Mark Burton, a long time Europa owner
> with an Arplast, who knows all about prop balancing. As proprietor of Smart
> Avionics he manufactures an inexpensive prop balancer, as well as the prop
> controller and the SmartASS airspeed speaker/director. His email attached.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Fly In - October 5,6 & 7 |
We are preparing name tags for everyone attending Rough River. So please reply
to the message with your information:
Name, City, State, Builder or Registration Number, airplane name if any.
Jim & Heather Butcher, Kalamazoo, MI, N241BW
See you soon!
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The Grand Design is slowly unfolding at an infuriatingly slow
pace. MY purpose initially was to be able to disassemble the Main Instrument
Panel. First of all I hate lying on my back with bits of solder sticking to
my sweater and my head between myriad rudder pedals at the museum. Secondly
the advance of digital instruments may have meant many mods to stay current.
So the main panel mounts with bolts backwards and affixed to the
panel. The brilliant scheme to include face-to-face fawcet washers isolated
if from some fuselage vibrations. I have also arranged a Flight sub-panel
portside and a systems sub-panel in the starboard half. The later inclusion
of digital arrays made it several pounds lighter but wiring got complex.
It was chasing a wiring fault that prompted removing the panels
for clarity whereupon it was found the Turbo Motor mounting bolts were loose
- I dunno. Any way in the course of this complication the clamp holding the
spring-loaded control cable let go. It was clamped to a fitting in the
pulley which moves it to adjust the turbo gate - and, was set correctly at
the factory, not to be touched. I dunno, I never touched it. However, when
the fitting let go, the cable naturally sprang back into the firewall
(leaving a short tail), and the entry ferrule danced merrily into a cranny,
celebrating its new-found freedom. Are you still with me?
The fuselage sits under a temporary 'tent' on the lawn, begging
to be re-assembled and I sit forlornly contemplating how to (a) extend the
cable tail against the spring (and clamp it at its exact previous point),
(b) manoeuvre the cable end back into its locking fitting - at arm's length,
and then (c) replace the three panels with their 25 or so
connections.....all this before the weather deteriorates further. I smell
snow.
If you've got this far, you probably have contemplated this tiny
setback and more likely know how to conquer it. If so, I beg your knowledge.
In the meantime give that cable lock one more gronch.....
Ferg
C-FFGG
914 mono CS prop
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| Subject: | Re: Silicone Hoses for the Rotax 912 / 914 |
Marcel, Bob, others
Thanks for all your comments. One last request (on this subject) -
can anyone tell me the length of their coolant hose on an XS 912S
installation from the coolant system cap to the plastic coolant
overflow bottle as I need to order sufficient silicon hose from Stefan
in addition to the kit? Or is the bottle location an individual
choice on each firewall forward layout?
Richard
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| Subject: | Re: The 914 saga |
Fergus, That widget holding the cable in the wheel on top
of the turbo control unit has a disc under the screw. Make
sure it didn't lose any bits while it went round the
cockpit. You can take the spring off at the turbo end and
then simply pull the cable back and fix it. If you have
fired up the electrics you will know that the waste gate
cycles when you first switch on. The right position for it
is with the master switch on, the throttle at closed and
the wastegate closed ( ie with the cable pulled right
back). You can do minor adjustments at the other end of
the cable.I have reassembled / readjusted/ fiddled around
with that fixing a number of times and never had a problem
yet. Best of luck! It WILL BE WORTH IT! David, G-XSDJ
On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 10:13:37 -0400
<f.kyle@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> The Grand Design is slowly unfolding at an
>infuriatingly slow
> pace. MY purpose initially was to be able to disassemble
>the Main Instrument
> Panel. First of all I hate lying on my back with bits of
>solder sticking to
> my sweater and my head between myriad rudder pedals at
>the museum. Secondly
> the advance of digital instruments may have meant many
>mods to stay current.
>
> So the main panel mounts with bolts backwards
>and affixed to the
> panel. The brilliant scheme to include face-to-face
>fawcet washers isolated
> if from some fuselage vibrations. I have also arranged a
>Flight sub-panel
> portside and a systems sub-panel in the starboard half.
>The later inclusion
> of digital arrays made it several pounds lighter but
>wiring got complex.
>
> It was chasing a wiring fault that prompted
>removing the panels
> for clarity whereupon it was found the Turbo Motor
>mounting bolts were loose
> - I dunno. Any way in the course of this complication
>the clamp holding the
> spring-loaded control cable let go. It was clamped to a
>fitting in the
> pulley which moves it to adjust the turbo gate - and,
>was set correctly at
> the factory, not to be touched. I dunno, I never touched
>it. However, when
> the fitting let go, the cable naturally sprang back into
>the firewall
> (leaving a short tail), and the entry ferrule danced
>merrily into a cranny,
> celebrating its new-found freedom. Are you still with
>me?
>
> The fuselage sits under a temporary 'tent' on
>the lawn, begging
> to be re-assembled and I sit forlornly contemplating how
>to (a) extend the
> cable tail against the spring (and clamp it at its exact
>previous point),
> (b) manoeuvre the cable end back into its locking
>fitting - at arm's length,
> and then (c) replace the three panels with their 25 or
>so
> connections.....all this before the weather deteriorates
>further. I smell
> snow.
>
> If you've got this far, you probably have
>contemplated this tiny
> setback and more likely know how to conquer it. If so, I
>beg your knowledge.
>
> In the meantime give that cable lock one more
>gronch.....
>
>Ferg
>
> C-FFGG
>
> 914 mono CS prop
>
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Paul,
I consider that (in fact we have a film) and ask also Kim a permission to
do that.
His voice was just perfect for a Finnish singer - he would be here a real
Super Star.
For your pleasure I attach some nice "Kim in Finland" pics - You are a
lucky boy!
The rest and the best of the pics will be available later in The Europa
Flyer (if I ever have time to write a story about Europa Aircraft Nord 2012
Flyin which was an absolute success).
-Cheers
Raimo
OH-XRT
HA-MDO
OH-BLL
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2012/9/27 Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
>
>
>> As a curiositet - I had one expert who was helping me to measure fuel
>> quantities. Kim Prout from California was here and helped me. He is a re
al
>> Europa man and a wonderful person. He is also a master to sing Finnish
>> songs in the karaoke bar...I quarantee!
>>
>> Raimo
>> OH-XRT
>>
>>
>
> Kim Prout singing Finnish songs! Could you post this on YouTube ? This
> I HAVE to see :)
>
> do not archive
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RWM-SYSTEMS
"=E4lyk=E4st=E4 informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980"
37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4
FINLAND
p. 03 - 3753 777
f. 03 - 3753 100
www.rwm.fi
info@rwm.fi
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| Subject: | Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop |
Hello All.
Many thanks for replies.
Graham i think you mean remove the blade first,then use the jig as described ,
i would bet money that works as good as the modern technology.
But at my time in life all i want to do is fly, so need the cheating way.
I have a Controller by Smart Avionics and see the Prop balancer on there Web Site
is about 5 or 600 pounds and not sure but an Android PC, far to expensive for
me, so will try talking to Mark.
But i thought the Europa Club had one, i have e-mail the Club.
As for the PV 50, i have spoken the the aircraft's builder and he tells me movement
of up to 10 deg, is OK, I now have the Arplast e-mail address as well.
I also have an e-mail from Airmaster, an a complete prop and complete system for
a Europa is about 4500 plus carriage.
My Chips are filled and my tip are 2 1/2" of White and Red so hope alls well.
I lost a blade many years ago and force landed at Brands Hatch all was OK but not
sure how these little aeroplane would handle it, I would like to see steel
wires attached Bulk Head to the engine just to keep it in general location if
all hell broke loose, but i not a builder.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop |
Hi! Alan Peter Jeffers has the club balancer you would get his e-mail
address from the \Europa Flyer.However I think he is imminently going to the
States for two months.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Carter
Sent: 27 September 2012 21:03
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop
--> <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
Hello All.
Many thanks for replies.
Graham i think you mean remove the blade first,then use the jig as described
, i would bet money that works as good as the modern technology.
But at my time in life all i want to do is fly, so need the cheating way.
I have a Controller by Smart Avionics and see the Prop balancer on there Web
Site is about 5 or 600 pounds and not sure but an Android PC, far to
expensive for me, so will try talking to Mark.
But i thought the Europa Club had one, i have e-mail the Club.
As for the PV 50, i have spoken the the aircraft's builder and he tells me
movement of up to 10 deg, is OK, I now have the Arplast e-mail address as
well.
I also have an e-mail from Airmaster, an a complete prop and complete system
for a Europa is about 4500 plus carriage.
My Chips are filled and my tip are 2 1/2" of White and Red so hope alls
well.
I lost a blade many years ago and force landed at Brands Hatch all was OK
but not sure how these little aeroplane would handle it, I would like to see
steel wires attached Bulk Head to the engine just to keep it in general
location if all hell broke loose, but i not a builder.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop |
Thanks Bob.
I will get in contact with him, maybe i can get him to check the prop and give
my plane a look over at the same time, I have flown about 40 hour in it now and
frequently put my hand on the top of the combing to check the vibration its
a bit crud, its not fine tuning but i would know if there was a change, this is
not written down in any manual but you get to know, so far it been very smooth.
Props are very important and regular balancing essential if you want to keep costly
repairs down.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop |
Alan=0Acarb balance is equaly as important as prop balance on the Rotax, an
d is more likely to change =0A=0Aspontaneously than prop balance.=0AGraham
=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Alan Carter <alancart
eresq@onetel.net>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, 27 Sep
tember 2012, 23:47=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop=0A =0A-->
Europa-List message posted by: "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net>=0A
=0AThanks Bob.=0AI will get in contact with him, maybe i can get him to che
ck the prop and give my plane a look over at the same time, I have flown ab
out 40 hour in it now and frequently put my hand on the top of the combing
to check the vibration its a bit crud, its not fine tuning but i would know
if there was a change, this is not written down in any manual but you get
to know, so far it been very smooth.=0AProps are very important and regular
balancing essential if you want to keep costly repairs down.- =0A=0AAlan
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.co
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| Subject: | Re: Arplast PV 50 Prop |
Thanks Graham.
But for now i will settle with having the plane looked over and getting the prop
checked for balance when i find some one to do it which is the main problem.
Regards
Alan
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