Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 07:58 AM - Re: beringer wheel & brake for monowheel (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
2. 01:15 PM - woodcomp repairs (graeme bird)
3. 01:52 PM - New to List (Jeremy Fisher)
4. 03:03 PM - Re: New to List (Dean Seitz)
5. 03:11 PM - Re: New to List (David Joyce)
6. 03:30 PM - Re: New to List (G-IANI)
7. 06:48 PM - Re: [Spam] New to List (Alex Kaarsberg)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: beringer wheel & brake for monowheel |
Good for me too.
N
On 01/10/2012 22:08, Jan de Jong wrote:
> I'm sorry, but I have the Original Europa System here and it weighs
> 10.8 kg; including hose and fasteners maybe 100 g more...
> Jan de Jong
>
> On 10/1/2012 8:48 PM, Richard Churchill-Coleman wrote:
>>
>> For those who expressed an interest in the Beringer system weight
>> saving, I asked the UK agent, Brad Goodfellow of Pioneer Aircraft UK
>> (through whom I have bought a kit) if he could set out the
>> manufacturer's calculations for the weight saving. I don't have the
>> comparisons to hand that others have posted on the forum to do a
>> comparison, but the figures that Brad gave me and asked me to post on
>> the forum are as follows (in kg) and Brad was keen to emphasise that
>> his experience of Beringer is that they are meticulous in calculating
>> their weight saving statistics, with a large chunk of the savings
>> here coming from a heavy inner tube which is now redundant:
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>> *Beringer*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Original Europa System*
>>
>> *Rim*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 7.85
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 10.58
>>
>> *Disc*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Tyre*
>>
>>
>>
>> 7.00-6" AirTrac 6 Ply
>>
>>
>>
>> 7.00-6" Condor 6 Ply
>>
>> *Tube*
>>
>>
>>
>> NO TUBE
>>
>>
>>
>> TUBE
>>
>> *Caliper*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 0.78
>>
>> *Fixing Plate*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Axle*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 0.85
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 1.36
>>
>> *Washers*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>> *Total*
>>
>>
>>
>> *8.7*
>>
>>
>>
>> *Total*
>>
>>
>>
>> *12.72*
>>
>> Brad's details are below and he is happy to be contacted if anyone
>> has follow on queries:
>>
>> Brad Goodfellow
>>
>> Managing Director Pioneer Aircraft Ltd
>>
>> Tel: +44 1873 851116
>>
>> Mob: +44 7851 287662
>>
>> Email: brad@pioneer.aero
>>
>> Website: www.pioneer.aero <http://www.pioneer.aero>
>>
>> Richard C-C
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | woodcomp repairs |
Its worth knowing if you are wondering which Woodcomp to fit, wide or narrow or
even Woodcomp or Airmaster say, that the same level of repair is not possible
with a woodcomp compared to a warpdrive blade and on the wide blade woodcomp
all three blades have to be replaced as a set if you get a ding rather than individually.
Also narrow blades are likely to be in stock in the uk whereas wide
blades are on a lead time.
Also whereas a warp drive blade will cost you 180GBP a woodcomp blade will cost
about 450 for narrow and around 630 for wide.
Yep, I wish I had know that when deciding between an Airmaster and Woodcomp myself.
I guess in short, with airmaster the cost is in the hub complexity and woodcomp
in the blades maybe. Nice prop though.
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS FWFD 912ULS/Woodcomp 3000/W
Newby: 35 hours
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384577#384577
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I recently took over a Europa XS project that has most of the structure now complete.
I am based at an Airpark on Cape Cod in the US, and previously built a
Lancair 360.
After going through the aircraft and all of the books, I have a couple of questions,
and would be grateful for any inputs or advice. In particular:
1. I just bought a refurbished Rotax 914. Is it worth the hassle to fit an intercooler?
The advice from the outfit that refurbished it is not to bother, as
the engine will adjust for any issues with the temperature of the inlet air.
2. Access to the cockpit appears to be pretty awkward. Has anyone tried to install
a step to assist, or is it easier to get in than it looks? In addition,
do you need to reinforce the wing upper surface where you have to step to get
in, or is it strong enough to take size 10 boots?
3. I am far from impressed by the cooling set up, and I know that lots of people
have modified the standard system. Has anyone used the Laminova oil to water
cooler, and if so, which size did you use, and what was the result?
4. Where can I find the pattern for the oil reservoir mounting plate? My manual
refers to it, but it seems to be missing from my documentation.
5. For those of you who are not cursed with the LAA, has anyone installed an autopilot
pitch servo connected to the system without changing the lateral pitch
tube as per the factory installation? It would be both expensive and fairly
difficult for me to change it at this build stage. I am considering a couple
of alternatives and would like to learn from anyone else's experience.
6. My wife and i are both pretty skinny (she is slender, i am skinny!). Do you
find that widening the cockpit at the shoulders as per the Mod List is worth
it, or do you not have any problem with the standard cockpit in practice?
Thank you for any advice that you can offer.
Jerry Fisher
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
---- Jeremy Fisher <jffisher@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I recently took over a Europa XS project that has most of the structure now complete.
I am based at an Airpark on Cape Cod in the US, and previously built
a Lancair 360.
>
> After going through the aircraft and all of the books, I have a couple of questions,
and would be grateful for any inputs or advice. In particular:
>
> 1. I just bought a refurbished Rotax 914. Is it worth the hassle to fit an
intercooler? The advice from the outfit that refurbished it is not to bother,
as the engine will adjust for any issues with the temperature of the inlet air.
I have a 914 without the intercooler. I have no problems down in Florida. Although
i do not try to do a lot of high performance climbs for extended periods.
I have had it to 14000ft and no problems climbing at 350 to 400FPM at 75% power.
>
> 5. For those of you who are not cursed with the LAA, has anyone installed an
autopilot pitch servo connected to the system without changing the lateral pitch
tube as per the factory installation? It would be both expensive and fairly
difficult for me to change it at this build stage. I am considering a couple
of alternatives and would like to learn from anyone else's experience.
I installed a Dynon autopilot 2 axis. Did not go by any existing design. I put
the pitch servo in the tail right behind the plywood guides for the ballance
weight. Built a mount and glassed to the bottom of fuse. Made two alum plates
to extend the pitch arms that the ballance arm and the pitch tube attach to by
about two inches. Attached a cotrol tube from the extension to the servo. Works
very well and very tight. I needed weight in the tail for ballance anyway.
The aileron servo I actually put in the recess that the right wing spar goes in
just under the spar and used a short tube to where the rod end connects to the
arm that comes up from the passenger tube. used a longer bolt and put both
rod ends together. A little tight to get it in but only had to make one bracket
to hold the servo.
>
> 6. My wife and i are both pretty skinny (she is slender, i am skinny!). Do
you find that widening the cockpit at the shoulders as per the Mod List is worth
it, or do you not have any problem with the standard cockpit in practice?
I have the new style body with the wide mod from the factory. I have never been
in an old style. The only difference i would think is that there would not be
as big of a ledge sticking out to hurt your shoulder or upper arm
Dean Seitz
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Jeremy, for what it is worth I wouldn't bother with an
inter cooler . I have flown from the Arctic to the Sahara
with my 914 working nicely without one. I am far from
skinny, at least by European standards and 6' 2" but am
very comfortable in the standard XS cabin. My advice would
be to keep it simple and above all to keep it as light as
possible. Check out the weights of aircraft on the Europa
Club website and you will find a range of 150 lbs or more
between the lightest and heaviest 914 XSs, and there is no
doubt about which end of the spectrum will perform
better.have never known any of my friends have difficulty
getting into either a trigear or a mono and haven't seen
anyone with a step.
Although we can get a bit critical of the LAA at
times it is worth saying that the fatal accident rate of
LAA aircraft is much the same as UK certified aircraft,
whereas the story with US experimentals is rather
different.
Happy building, David Joyce,G-XSDJ
On Wed, 3 Oct 2012 16:51:30 -0400
Jeremy Fisher <jffisher@gmail.com> wrote:
><jffisher@gmail.com>
>
> I recently took over a Europa XS project that has most
>of the structure now complete. I am based at an Airpark
>on Cape Cod in the US, and previously built a Lancair
>360.
>
> After going through the aircraft and all of the books, I
>have a couple of questions, and would be grateful for any
>inputs or advice. In particular:
>
> 1. I just bought a refurbished Rotax 914. Is it worth
>the hassle to fit an intercooler? The advice from the
>outfit that refurbished it is not to bother, as the
>engine will adjust for any issues with the temperature of
>the inlet air.
>
> 2. Access to the cockpit appears to be pretty awkward.
> Has anyone tried to install a step to assist, or is it
>easier to get in than it looks? In addition, do you need
>to reinforce the wing upper surface where you have to
>step to get in, or is it strong enough to take size 10
>boots?
>
> 3. I am far from impressed by the cooling set up, and I
>know that lots of people have modified the standard
>system. Has anyone used the Laminova oil to water
>cooler, and if so, which size did you use, and what was
>the result?
>
> 4. Where can I find the pattern for the oil reservoir
>mounting plate? My manual refers to it, but it seems to
>be missing from my documentation.
>
> 5. For those of you who are not cursed with the LAA,
>has anyone installed an autopilot pitch servo connected
>to the system without changing the lateral pitch tube as
>per the factory installation? It would be both expensive
>and fairly difficult for me to change it at this build
>stage. I am considering a couple of alternatives and
>would like to learn from anyone else's experience.
>
> 6. My wife and i are both pretty skinny (she is
>slender, i am skinny!). Do you find that widening the
>cockpit at the shoulders as per the Mod List is worth it,
>or do you not have any problem with the standard cockpit
>in practice?
>
> Thank you for any advice that you can offer.
>
> Jerry Fisher
>
>Un/Subscription,
>Forums!
>Admin.
>
>
>
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Jerry
1) I have a 914 and my personal opinion is that I would not bother with the
intercooler.
2) You need to learn how to get into a Europa via sitting on the head rest
but it become easy with a bit of practice.
3) The Laminova oil cooler has been used but is not approved for UK use as,
as far as I know, nobody here has asked to fit one in a Europa.
4) The pattern for the oil reservoir mounting plate was omitted from some
editions of the manual. You will find it on the Club web site
(http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/OilTankBkt.pdf).
Have a look at the other known corrections.
5) This is possible and is documented on the Club web site
(http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/12708-Alt-Hold.pdf)
. It is not particularly difficult to remove the CS10 cross tube to replace
it or weld on a new horn. You will also be checking that the original build
was done correctly. If you decide to go this way I can proved more detailed
instructions.
6) My personal opinion is that Mod 67 is not worth doing for the 20mm of
extra width it provides. Sit in the aircraft and try it. Note were the
door sill touches your shoulder.
Spend some time on the Club web site for more information on everything on
Europa building.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Jeremy, welcome to the list, I am sure you will appreciate it.
I can only answer your question 6, at 110 cm it is as wide as a Beech Baron I am
told! I have no intention of doing that mod.
Brgds, Alex, kit 529.
Enviado via iPhone
Em 03/10/2012, s 17:51, Jeremy Fisher <jffisher@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
> I recently took over a Europa XS project that has most of the structure now complete.
I am based at an Airpark on Cape Cod in the US, and previously built
a Lancair 360.
>
> After going through the aircraft and all of the books, I have a couple of questions,
and would be grateful for any inputs or advice. In particular:
>
> 1. I just bought a refurbished Rotax 914. Is it worth the hassle to fit an
intercooler? The advice from the outfit that refurbished it is not to bother,
as the engine will adjust for any issues with the temperature of the inlet air.
>
> 2. Access to the cockpit appears to be pretty awkward. Has anyone tried to
install a step to assist, or is it easier to get in than it looks? In addition,
do you need to reinforce the wing upper surface where you have to step to get
in, or is it strong enough to take size 10 boots?
>
> 3. I am far from impressed by the cooling set up, and I know that lots of people
have modified the standard system. Has anyone used the Laminova oil to water
cooler, and if so, which size did you use, and what was the result?
>
> 4. Where can I find the pattern for the oil reservoir mounting plate? My manual
refers to it, but it seems to be missing from my documentation.
>
> 5. For those of you who are not cursed with the LAA, has anyone installed an
autopilot pitch servo connected to the system without changing the lateral pitch
tube as per the factory installation? It would be both expensive and fairly
difficult for me to change it at this build stage. I am considering a couple
of alternatives and would like to learn from anyone else's experience.
>
> 6. My wife and i are both pretty skinny (she is slender, i am skinny!). Do
you find that widening the cockpit at the shoulders as per the Mod List is worth
it, or do you not have any problem with the standard cockpit in practice?
>
> Thank you for any advice that you can offer.
>
> Jerry Fisher
>
>
>
>
>
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|