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1. 03:20 AM - Etch Primers (craig)
2. 03:45 AM - Re: Out of service and missing Rough River (Hans J. Danielsen)
3. 06:17 AM - Re: Out of service and missing Rough River (zwakie)
4. 08:12 AM - Re: beringer wheel & brake for monowheel (Remi Guerner)
5. 02:06 PM - Re: Re: beringer wheel & brake for monowheel (Jan de Jong)
6. 02:49 PM - Re: Mod 73 (Alan Carter)
7. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: Mod 73 (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
8. 04:07 PM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 10/07/12 (Gary Leinberger)
9. 11:53 PM - Re: beringer wheel & brake for monowheel (Remi Guerner)
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I am getting close to painting my baby, and looking at paint options and
primers.
Has anyone used an etch primer if so what were the results like, great, ok
..ugly
Looking at the etch primer data sheets they all seem to be epoxy systems,
and most
Say they are ok for use on fiberglass, with the benefit of very good bond to
the few metal bits
On the outside. All feedback good or bad greatly appreciated.
Regards
craig
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| Subject: | Re: Out of service and missing Rough River |
Hi Bud. Sorry to hear about your trials. Seems this diagnose has become the norm
amongst grownup boys. Several of my earlier colleagues' got it. May be long
time exposure to high altitude flying/radiation has taken its toll...
I wish you a speedy and full recovery!
All the best,
Hans, Ex owner Mono #334, LN-HJD
----- Original Message -----
From: Bud Yerly
To: europa-list
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 12:25 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Out of service and missing Rough River
I hate to admit I am getting a bit old.
I have the been diagnosed with prostate cancer. We should have caught it earlier
but that is life. I have been going through biopsies, cat scans, bone scans,
and had folks violating my body in new and unusual ways for the last month
and have a bit more to do to check all the avenues of spread. I know I could
never be a gay person now.
Good news is I have great doctors and facilities, good insurance, and have had
to learn patience with those who practice medicine. I have learned that health
insurance professionals / death board members require more of my attention
than the doctors (and I found it difficult not to be cranky with them). My prognosis
is full recovery after a few months of discomfort and more tests. I
understand that it is difficult to sleep when your groin glows in the dark. We
shall see.
So you guys lucky enough to be at Rough River, I envy you and will miss an opportunity
to bore you to death.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
Don't Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Out of service and missing Rough River |
Hi Bud,
Sorry to hear about your prostate issue. I am glad about the full recovery diagnosis
though, good to hear there is a proper overhaul procedure for this! [Wink]
All the best with your recovery!
Marcel.
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Marcel Zwakenberg
(Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW)
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| Subject: | Re: beringer wheel & brake for monowheel |
To those Monowheel drivers who are interested in the Beringer wheel and brake kit,
I visited their factory today to sort out the weight saving issue. I met the
boss Gilbert Beringer and his son Remi who designed the proposed system for
the Europa. I was coming with the idea that the disagreement on the original
Europa wheel and brake weight was due to the tyre and I was right. We weighted
different tyres and found that the used 7.00-6 Condor tyre weighted 5 kg, a new
7.00-6 AirTrac 4,16 kg and a new 8.00-6 Carlisle (which is very similar to
the Titan turf glide) was coming at 3,74 kg.
We finally weighted the Europa wheel+brake+axle+spacers+tube+bolts and nuts and
found 7,5 kg.
This is to be compared to 4,54 kg for the replacement parts from Beringer.
Therefore, the weight saving is around 3 kg, provided you are using the same tyre
as before.
The Beringer kit comes with a 7.00-6 AirTrac 6 ply, so if you are already using
this type of tyre you will save those 3 kg. But if you are presently using the
original Europa tyre (Carlisle or Titan) you will save 2,5 kg only. If you are
using a heavier tyre such as the Condor you will be close to the 4 kg saving
as claimed by Beringer.
Those figures do not include the master cylinder and brake handle. Those parts
are made of light alloy by Beringer compared to steel for the original go kart
master cylinder, so I am prety sure there is some more weight saving there.
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
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| Subject: | Re: beringer wheel & brake for monowheel |
Thank you very much Remi. Good info.
But adding 7,5 and 3,74 makes 11,24 for an original Europa wheel with
Carlisle tyre. Mine, with Titan tyre, weighs most definitely less than
11 kg. Curious.
Jan de Jong
On 10/8/2012 5:11 PM, Remi Guerner wrote:
>
> To those Monowheel drivers who are interested in the Beringer wheel and brake
kit, I visited their factory today to sort out the weight saving issue. I met
the boss Gilbert Beringer and his son Remi who designed the proposed system for
the Europa. I was coming with the idea that the disagreement on the original
Europa wheel and brake weight was due to the tyre and I was right. We weighted
different tyres and found that the used 7.00-6 Condor tyre weighted 5 kg, a
new 7.00-6 AirTrac 4,16 kg and a new 8.00-6 Carlisle (which is very similar to
the Titan turf glide) was coming at 3,74 kg.
> We finally weighted the Europa wheel+brake+axle+spacers+tube+bolts and nuts and
found 7,5 kg.
> This is to be compared to 4,54 kg for the replacement parts from Beringer.
> Therefore, the weight saving is around 3 kg, provided you are using the same
tyre as before.
> The Beringer kit comes with a 7.00-6 AirTrac 6 ply, so if you are already using
this type of tyre you will save those 3 kg. But if you are presently using
the original Europa tyre (Carlisle or Titan) you will save 2,5 kg only. If you
are using a heavier tyre such as the Condor you will be close to the 4 kg saving
as claimed by Beringer.
> Those figures do not include the master cylinder and brake handle. Those parts
are made of light alloy by Beringer compared to steel for the original go kart
master cylinder, so I am prety sure there is some more weight saving there.
>
> Remi Guerner
> F-PGKL
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384931#384931
>
>
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Hello Bud.
Just read your posting, and as a pilot and not a builder this part of the aeroplane
has given me concern since i purchased the aircraft.
I notice you have used Sloppy and Band Aid Fix and that,s just what it looks like
to me.
The problem in my case not being a builder, is lack of skills and materials to
fix the problem,and not knowing who to to take the aircraft too, to have it repaired.
In my opinion, which seem,s to get me into trouble, I think the manufacturer should
assign designated repair centres with the skills to carry out a major modification
as this.
I can manage without a prop, i can manage without an engine, but i can not manage
without Stabalator control.
This part of the aircraft is vital for survival and as i see it the most vital
part of the aircraft, more chance here than the spare.
Why was,nt this complete component made welded and machine finished unit,
with the pins that drive the stabalator mirrored into a pre manufactured plate
that's moulded into each stabalator, Which would give no play.
Before i fly again i will do all you external checks.
But im not sure how much pressure to apply, it is difficult to know as people have
different ideas of force, but say the amount the same as to lift 1/2 a bucket
of water.
Regards
Alan
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Alan=0Aif there is any "play" or "backlash" it won't need much force at all
. Just enough to overcome the friction of the tube in the socket, which sho
uld be quite low.=0AThe tube has to slide off easily to remove the tailplan
e. As soon as the slack is taken up you won't be able to move any further w
ithout breaking something.=0AYou're looking for a rattle.=0ATry it and you
will get the idea I'm sure=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A_______________________________
_=0A From: Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net>=0ATo: europa-list@matroni
cs.com =0ASent: Monday, 8 October 2012, 22:48=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: M
od 73=0A =0A-But im not sure how much pressure to apply, it is difficult to
know as people have different ideas of force, but say the amount the same
as to lift 1/2 a bucket of water.=0ARegards =0AAlan
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| Subject: | RE: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 10/07/12 |
I just got home on Monday after a visit with my company commander from Germany
(early 1970's) in Louisville and an old buddy from the same period in Ohio. Plane
flew great - got to do some IFR - as I was not going to scud run in the mountains
- Europa is really a nice IFR platform - especially with the two axis
autopilot - so got in 14 hours flying from Tampa to Lancaster, via Rough River
- what a great plane! At every airport people asked questions - including the
tower people - we do have a reputation! (Or at least a neat airplane).
Gary and Susan Leinberger
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1. 09:31 AM - Re: Out of service and missing Rough River (Dale Hetrick)
2. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: New to List (Raimo Toivio)
3. 02:12 PM - mud in cockpit (William Bliss)
4. 02:25 PM - 912ULS wanted (William Bliss)
5. 03:40 PM - Re: Rough River (Troy Maynor)
6. 05:09 PM - Re: Re: Rough River (Robert Borger)
________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________
Time: 09:31:47 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Out of service and missing Rough River
From: Dale Hetrick <gdh.hetrick@gmail.com>
Bud,
Really sorry to hear about your prostate problem. I went through the same
diagnosis some years ago and opted to have it removed. Best decision ever
made since I'm still around to talk about sex (but can't do anything about
it!)
Good Luck and best regards,
Dale Hetrick
(I sold my Europa last year)
On Sat, Oct 6, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
> **
> I hate to admit I am getting a bit old.
> I have the been diagnosed with prostate cancer. We should have caught it
> earlier but that is life. I have been going through biopsies, cat scans,
> bone scans, and had folks violating my body in new and unusual ways for the
> last month and have a bit more to do to check all the avenues of spread. I
> know I could never be a gay person now.
>
> Good news is I have great doctors and facilities, good insurance, and have
> had to learn patience with those who practice medicine. I have learned
> that health insurance professionals / death board members require more of
> my attention than the doctors (and I found it difficult not to be cranky
> with them). My prognosis is full recovery after a few months of discomfort
> and more tests. I understand that it is difficult to sleep when your groin
> glows in the dark. We shall see.
>
> So you guys lucky enough to be at Rough River, I envy you and will miss an
> opportunity to bore you to death.
>
>
> Regards,
> Bud Yerly
>
> Don't Archive
>
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>
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>
>
________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________
Time: 01:00:58 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: New to List
From: Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Hi Jeremy
I took this photo today after an interesting CO-flight. Shit happens
regularly.
My Laminova locates very low behind the engine middle between the pedals on
the firewall "shelf" under the airbox and it is very difficult to see w/o
taking at least an airbox off (I didn=B4t). Over it you can see an electric
(mains 230VAC) water heater for winter operations. Very near - a bit upp
and port side - there is also a water thermostat.
I hope this helps.
- Raimo
2012/10/5 Jeremy Fisher <jffisher@gmail.com>
> Raimo,
>
> Do you have any photos of the Laminova unit installed?
>
> Jerry
> On Oct 5, 2012, at 10:31 AM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
> Remi,
>
> you did not ask me but I will comment.
>
> I have had a Laminova in use since 2007 in my Europa (912S) over 330
> flight hours. I am 100% happy. I installed Laminova because I did not lik
e
> an idea about a separate oil-cooler. The oil temp follow always the water
> temp. When the water temp rises, the oil temp is bit lower, but it follow
s
> the water temp slowly and vice versa.
>
> Climbing with full power I have typically the oil temp around 115C. When
> very hot (+30C) and climbing continuously to the FLs, it can be near 130C
> but never over so far.
>
> It is better you know I have also a water thermostat - I really cannot
> understand an idea about water cooling w/o a water thermostat. With it, I
> am able to make looong idle dives near or at VNE (which I love) and still
> have water & oil temps well in limits.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Raimo
> OH-XRT
> Finland
>
>
> 2012/10/5 Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr>
>
>
>>
>> Frans,
>>
>> I am just curious about the Laminova Oil-water exchanger. I understand
>> that in your installation, the oil is cooled by the coolant exclusively.
So
>> I suppose the oil temp is higher than the coolant temp all the time. A
m I
>> right? What oil temp do you get when in a sustained climb at max
>> continuous power?
>>
>> Remi Guerner
>>
>>
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384686#384686
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________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________
Time: 02:12:19 PM PST US
From: "William Bliss" <william@wbliss.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: mud in cockpit
Hi All
Doing lots of circuits in G-WUFF. Field very wet and muddy. Suddenly I
realise that the instruments and windshield are becoming obscured by
emulsified sheep poo blasting up through the gear lever slot.....Does not
look good with the light blue trim. Has anyone fitted mud guards to the mono
version?
William Bliss
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________
Time: 02:25:08 PM PST US
From: "William Bliss" <william@wbliss.co.uk>
Subject: Europa-List: 912ULS wanted
Hi again
I am finding the slight uphill slope a bit much for the 80hp Rotax on
takeoff with 2 persons.
Where is it best to look for a good 912ULS 100hp? UK based.
William Bliss
________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________
Time: 03:40:52 PM PST US
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River
From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
We're STILL here. Weather at home is keeping us on the ground until Monday and
all our friends have departed. I hope you all made it home safe. It was great
to see you all and wish more of you could have made it. It is so very beautiful
and cool here this time of year. I'll post some pix when I get home. Bob, I
would like to see those you took as well if its not big of a hassle.
Donna said I was elected to do a article for the Europa flyer. I don't know where
I was when that happened. If any of you would like to contribute something,
comments, or pictures send it to me at wingnut54 at charter dot net. We had
three Europas and one Cessna fly in. Gary and Susan Leinberger flew in with their
brand new beautiful hi-top trigear. They came all the way from Plant City,
FL with several stops planned on their way home to PA. Jim and Heather Butcher
as well as myself and Donna had the 2 Monowheels. Builder, Michael Grass came
in his Cessna. Builder, Dave Conrad drove in from Ohio, and last but not least,
Bob Borger drove from way down in Texas with gas cans and adult beverages.
Thanks so much Bob for helping us fuel up. There were 9 of us here and we really
enjoyed our time together. I'm looking forward to next year.
Troy and Donna
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________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________
Time: 05:09:04 PM PST US
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rough River
From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
Hay Y'all,
I arrived home about 1745 hrs, 13 hrs after departure this morning. Sorry to hear
you are still there. I trust you are taking advantage and enjoying the place.
I'll put my pictures on my data share site for you to check out. Feel free to
take any or none. I'll let you know when they have been uploaded.
I too am looking forward to next year when we should be flying in. Someone else
will have to bring gas cans and beverages.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Oct 7, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Troy Maynor <wingnut54@charter.net> wrote:
We're STILL here. Weather at home is keeping us on the ground until Monday and
all our friends have departed. I hope you all made it home safe. It was great
to see you all and wish more of you could have made it. It is so very beautiful
and cool here this time of year. I'll post some pix when I get home. Bob, I
would like to see those you took as well if its not big of a hassle.
Donna said I was elected to do a article for the Europa flyer. I don't know where
I was when that happened. If any of you would like to contribute something,
comments, or pictures send it to me at wingnut54 at charter dot net. We had
three Europas and one Cessna fly in. Gary and Susan Leinberger flew in with their
brand new beautiful hi-top trigear. They came all the way from Plant City,
FL with several stops planned on their way home to PA. Jim and Heather Butcher
as well as myself and Donna had the 2 Monowheels. Builder, Michael Grass came
in his Cessna. Builder, Dave Conrad drove in from Ohio, and last but not least,
Bob Borger drove from way down in Texas with gas cans and adult beverages.
Thanks so much Bob for helping us fuel up. There were 9 of us here and we really
enjoyed our time together. I'm looking forward to next year.
Troy and Donna
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| Subject: | Re: beringer wheel & brake for monowheel |
Jan,
The Titan may be lighter than the Carlisle.
Remi
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