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1. 12:23 AM - Re: Re: Mod 73 (Neville Eyre)
2. 01:15 AM - Re: Mod 73 - slightly different (SCASSEL)
3. 01:21 AM - Re: Re: Mod 73 - slightly different (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
4. 01:02 PM - Re: Mod 73 (Alan Carter)
5. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: Mod 73 (Bob Harrison)
6. 01:37 PM - Re: Stabalator Flutter (Alan Carter)
7. 01:42 PM - Re: Mod 73 (Alan Carter)
8. 03:09 PM - silver paint (William Bliss)
9. 03:34 PM - electronic engine monitoring and flight instruments (William Bliss)
10. 03:56 PM - Re: electronic engine monitoring and flight instruments (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
11. 04:32 PM - Re: electronic engine monitoring and flight instruments (craig)
12. 11:03 PM - SV: silver paint (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
13. 11:15 PM - electronic engine monitoring and flight instruments (William Bliss)
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Hi Alan,
Refer to the Builders Manual, Chapter 23, pages 2, 3 and 4 for view / acces
s panel position and structure.
This is how it should have been done by the original builder..... but some
out there thought they knew better.......
Do these on the Stb side if you are right handed, on the Port if you are le
ft handed. Very difficult to do once the fuselage top is on. If there is an
inspection hole further aft where the XS tailspring was installed, you can
work through that to do the lay up's for the new panels. I had to do just
that to get to the torque tube on the imported Europa I have in my workshop
As to the inserts / slugs, next time you are in Ronnie McVomit's, get a str
aw and flex it between your fingers, it will bend quite a way without faili
ng.... now shove a stiring stick up the straw and apply the same force, it
will buckle where the stick ends.[ have a jacket on with deep pockets, libe
rate a handfull of mixing sticks !]
Don't reckon on anything fast happening at L.A.A.
Cheers,
Nev.
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From: Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
Sent: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:49
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mod 73
Craig.
lugs over here are pests in the garden , but i know what you mean,all good
deas.
ots of solutions have been posted, But here in the UK the only options we h
ave
re Resizing the pins, Fitting Bob Harrison or Pat Tunny,s clamps,
e Loctite use, or fitting one of Europa,s updated tubes.
nything about inspection panel and access to the pins would be really usefa
ll
o UK owners, as the tube has to come out.
lan
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| Subject: | Re: Mod 73 - slightly different |
Hi Will,
One washer on each bolt.
I guess there many different approaches and mine was probably not the best
but it made my day.
The washer was mounted on a wooden stick (about 1/2=9D x 1/2") A slot
was
made that hold the washer on place.
Tight. You have to press the washer into the slot. It was quite easy to put
the washer on the bolt.
Same stick (but the opposite side) was used in order to create a long
handle to the spanner.
A mark was made on the stick so I know exactly how far in the tube I was.
The other hand on the bolt.
The first tree were quite easy. On the fourth and last nut the washer went
off and I had to rig the washer again.
( A small swearing was fired)
Best regards
Stephan
LN-STE Mono
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| Subject: | Re: Mod 73 - slightly different |
Stephan=0AIf I may say so, good Norwegian=C2-practicality=C2-and logic.
I congratulate you.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0A From: SCASSEL <stephan@scassel.se>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0AS
ent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 9:14=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: Mod 73 -
slightly different=0A =0A=0A Hi Will, =0A=C2-=0AOne washer on each bolt.
=0A=C2-=0AI guess there many different approaches and mine was probably n
ot the best but it made my day.=0A=C2-=0AThe washer was mounted on a wood
en stick (about 1/2=9D x 1/2") A slot was made that hold the washer o
n place.=0ATight. You have to press the washer into the slot.=C2-It was q
uite easy to put the washer on the bolt.=0A=C2-=0ASame stick (but the opp
osite side) was used in order to create a long handle to the spanner.=0AA m
ark was made on the stick so I know exactly how far in the tube I was. The
other hand on the bolt. =C2-=0AThe first tree were quite easy. On the fou
rth and last nut the washer went off and I had to rig the washer again.=0A(
A small swearing was fired)=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0ABest regards=0AStephan =C2
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Thanks Neville.
Phoned the LAA today ref. New Inspection Hole.
Basically No,
As i,m in the UK its new dowels and clamps approved by LAA.
So i have to find a small person to climb down inside the tunnel after having removed
the mass balance weight.
I assume this is the easiest way to get at the pins, as you can see them.
Obviously with the tail propped,and all the panels off for light and air.
If i go about it this way.
How long to get it out., and do you see any other problem,
Regards
Alan
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Yes, don't do it alone without a mobile phone with you to call for help when
you get cramp and before you pass out with pain !
What b.......drip would leave you without an access panel ? Hope you never
need the trim motor out !!!
Been there got both "tee" shirts !
Bob H G-PTAG !
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Carter
Sent: 17 October 2012 21:02
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mod 73
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Thanks Neville.
Phoned the LAA today ref. New Inspection Hole.
Basically No,
As i,m in the UK its new dowels and clamps approved by LAA.
So i have to find a small person to climb down inside the tunnel after
having removed the mass balance weight.
I assume this is the easiest way to get at the pins, as you can see them.
Obviously with the tail propped,and all the panels off for light and air.
If i go about it this way.
How long to get it out., and do you see any other problem, Regards Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Stabalator Flutter |
Hi All.
This link posted by Nigel shows just what forces are at play, he had no chance,
But a Europa is not as fast and maybe you could do some thing if you had the
time,
http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2012/AAB1201.pdf
You probably would feel a juddering on the stick and maybe a hammering from the
tail, I have noise cancelling headsets, this is one good reason for not having
one,but they are really good so i will keep using mine,
However if i felt a fore and aft control shudder, i would close the throttle, hit
the full fine on the prop and ease a little up to slow down as quick as possible,
if possible a Mayday and get rid of the noise cancelling so i can hear
the aircraft,
At this point i would decide , go for the closes runway or straight ahead down,
but i think i would keep it slow and flap-less all the way down and hope.
Any Comments
Alan
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Thanks Bob.
Will have some body with me, and mobile ,good thinking Bob.
Don,t put it on your Tee Shirt, you will get 4 months in the slammer.
Alan
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Hi All
I need some advice/experience on paint colours suitable for the Europa - in
particular silver metallic. Is it feasable? The build manual does not
mention metallic paints.
William Bliss G-WUFF
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| Subject: | electronic engine monitoring and flight instruments |
Hi all again
I am going to update the panel of G-WUFF. At the same time I will change the
engine from 912ul to 912uls, and fit a Woodcomp VP prop with
Smartcontroller. At present it has analogue gauges for electrical system,
oil temp and pressure, coolant temp, temp of a single cylinder.
Quite a few Europa's have undergone this type of alteration so hopefully
there is some experience out there.
What engine monitoring is really needed for the 912uls? I know that in depth
engine monitoring is possible with electronic displays - but does it have
any major advantages for a fairly well understood and reliable engine?
If using electronic flight instruments, is a 4 inch screen adequate? - or is
a 7 inch screen much easier to use?
Are there any recent flight test reviews of the different systems?
How do users find the Dynon equipment?
Is it simpler to buy an integrated system of engine monitoring, flight
instruments, fuel managment, GPS, etc? Or is it easy enough to purchase the
individual bits and link them oneself?
Thats enough for starters!
Thanks
William Bliss
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| Subject: | Re: electronic engine monitoring and flight instruments |
William-
If I was doing it now, it would be a Dynon Skyview. As is, I have two of the older
Dynons in the plant and they are great. The reason I went this route is their
reputation for reliability and ease of installation. One significant issue:
Don't forget a cooling fan, maybe two of them!
I have used them for support a couple of times and they are very helpful.
Jim Puglise
N283JL
Punta Gorda, FL
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bliss" <william@wbliss.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 6:33:32 PM
Subject: Europa-List: electronic engine monitoring and flight instruments
Hi all again
I am going to update the panel of G-WUFF. At the same time I will change the
engine from 912ul to 912uls, and fit a Woodcomp VP prop with
Smartcontroller. At present it has analogue gauges for electrical system,
oil temp and pressure, coolant temp, temp of a single cylinder.
Quite a few Europa's have undergone this type of alteration so hopefully
there is some experience out there.
What engine monitoring is really needed for the 912uls? I know that in depth
engine monitoring is possible with electronic displays - but does it have
any major advantages for a fairly well understood and reliable engine?
If using electronic flight instruments, is a 4 inch screen adequate? - or is
a 7 inch screen much easier to use?
Are there any recent flight test reviews of the different systems?
How do users find the Dynon equipment?
Is it simpler to buy an integrated system of engine monitoring, flight
instruments, fuel managment, GPS, etc? Or is it easy enough to purchase the
individual bits and link them oneself?
Thats enough for starters!
Thanks
William Bliss
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| Subject: | electronic engine monitoring and flight instruments |
You should have a look at the MGL avionics stuff as well, have spoken
To a few guys flying here in Australia with the oddessy or voyager and felt
it
Was the best part of the panel, full package with all the gizmos for a 4 cyl
engine
Runs about $6k aussie
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Bliss
Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:34 AM
Subject: Europa-List: electronic engine monitoring and flight instruments
Hi all again
I am going to update the panel of G-WUFF. At the same time I will change the
engine from 912ul to 912uls, and fit a Woodcomp VP prop with
Smartcontroller. At present it has analogue gauges for electrical system,
oil temp and pressure, coolant temp, temp of a single cylinder.
Quite a few Europa's have undergone this type of alteration so hopefully
there is some experience out there.
What engine monitoring is really needed for the 912uls? I know that in depth
engine monitoring is possible with electronic displays - but does it have
any major advantages for a fairly well understood and reliable engine?
If using electronic flight instruments, is a 4 inch screen adequate? - or is
a 7 inch screen much easier to use?
Are there any recent flight test reviews of the different systems?
How do users find the Dynon equipment?
Is it simpler to buy an integrated system of engine monitoring, flight
instruments, fuel managment, GPS, etc? Or is it easy enough to purchase the
individual bits and link them oneself?
Thats enough for starters!
Thanks
William Bliss
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Hi William,
I would recommend against using metallic paints. I had the same thought as
you, until I checked out the relative temperature of car surfaces (put my
hand on the hood) at a parking lot on a sunny day:
White is definitely the only "cold" colour. Silver metallic is up there
among the other "warm" colours like green, blue and red. May sound strange,
but it is caused by irregular particles in the paint reflecting radiation
heat not only outwards (remember: angle out equals angle in).
Regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
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| Subject: | electronic engine monitoring and flight instruments |
Another favour I forgot to ask regarding my panel updating plans for G-WUFF
I would be grateful for photo's of existing Europa panels so I can get an
idea of what instruments may fit and where.
Thanks again
William Bliss
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