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1. 12:56 AM - Re: Reserve Fuel (Alan Carter)
2. 01:39 AM - Fuel Selector Extension (Tim Ward)
3. 01:55 AM - Re: Re: Reserve Fuel (roddyeuropa@aol.com)
4. 02:01 AM - Re: Fuel Selector Extension (Tim Ward)
5. 03:31 AM - Re: Re: Reserve Fuel (G-IANI)
6. 03:43 AM - Re: Fuel Selector Extension (Kingsley Hurst)
7. 03:45 AM - Re: Reserve Fuel (Brian Davies)
8. 06:02 AM - Re: Working cabin heater (Roland)
9. 06:56 AM - Re: Re: Working cabin heater (PHILLIPS I)
10. 12:09 PM - Re: Fuel Selector Extension (Raimo Toivio)
11. 01:23 PM - Re: Working cabin heater (Roland)
12. 01:25 PM - Re: Dynon (ploucandco)
13. 01:30 PM - Re: Reserve Fuel (Alan Carter)
14. 01:38 PM - Fuel selector stiff (egp8111)
15. 05:27 PM - Re: Fuel Selector Extension (Robert Borger)
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| Subject: | Re: Reserve Fuel |
Hi Tim.
NZ a beautiful county i had a holiday there.
I have done my time on Chipmunks, My Europa is a Mono to Tri Conversion
so maybe better! well a lot easier.
The Fuel/Tables were done with the aircraft just in its level position on level
ground, a couple of litres either way i am not bothering about as if i was down
to 15 litres i would be quit worried.
Glad you use the reserve fuel, just my choice taxing in on reserve,
I like your idea of the extended lever, is it guarded or recessed, can you give
some more on how to do it.
Alan
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| Subject: | Fuel Selector Extension |
Hi Alan,
So the fuel cock is mounted on the floor on the fuselage between the seats and
the pilot has to access a door to reach down and change to RESERVE in an emergency.
NOT GOOD!
So I took off the fuel selector arm and replaced it with a drill extension rod
that you can buy down at your local hardware shop. One end has a female adaptor
with a grub screw to tighten onto the male axle of the fuel selector cock. (Sounds
a little rude!) The other end you can cut to length so that the end will
appear above the door through a hole directly above the fuel cock. You can then
file the end to the shape of the selector hole to fit it, orientated in the
same way as the selector was below.
I replaced the door with an aluminum piece and then inscribed on the aluminum OFF/
MAIN /RESERVE and incorporated a spring loaded stop bar to stop turning the
selector to OFF by mistake.
Consequently you have easily available the ability to switch tanks and turn the
fuel off, if necessary, with seconds.
I made a bigger selector out of blue foam shaped around the metal selector and
then fiberglass to strengthen it, glued and painted.
Sorry I haven't a photo as I am in Japan but will be back on Saturday and will
try to remember to send you a photo as a picture is much easier to understand.
Please remind me if you go ahead with this Tim Ward Mod.
All the best,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
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| Subject: | Re: Reserve Fuel |
Hi Alan
I'd add a couple of things - you have the fuel drain mod installed which is
good. But be aware that you need to drain more fuel than a normal fuel dra
in to clear the fuel in the lines between the drain and the tank. I drain a
bout 'half jam jar' each side.
Also, the fuel return from the engine should be feeding into the reserves s
ide so it should refresh the fuel. But if fueling the plane doesn't get to
the bottom of the tank to stir things up, the return flow certainly won't.
But it worth checking that the fuel return is happening.
Regards
Roddy Kesterton
G-IKRK
-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
Sent: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 8:56
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Reserve Fuel
Hi Tim.
Z a beautiful county i had a holiday there.
have done my time on Chipmunks, My Europa is a Mono to Tri Conversion
o maybe better! well a lot easier.
he Fuel/Tables were done with the aircraft just in its level position on le
vel
round, a couple of litres either way i am not bothering about as if i was d
own
o 15 litres i would be quit worried.
lad you use the reserve fuel, just my choice taxing in on reserve,
like your idea of the extended lever, is it guarded or recessed, can you g
ive
ome more on how to do it.
lan
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Selector Extension |
Alan,
One other thing I did.
I drilled a hole in the rod extension (door end) and tapped it to be able to screw
the same small bolt in to it to tighten the selector to the rod extension.
Most important. Works a treat.
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
On 25/10/2012, at 5:38 PM, Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
> Hi Alan,
> So the fuel cock is mounted on the floor on the fuselage between the seats and
the pilot has to access a door to reach down and change to RESERVE in an emergency.
NOT GOOD!
> So I took off the fuel selector arm and replaced it with a drill extension rod
that you can buy down at your local hardware shop. One end has a female adaptor
with a grub screw to tighten onto the male axle of the fuel selector cock.
(Sounds a little rude!) The other end you can cut to length so that the end will
appear above the door through a hole directly above the fuel cock. You can
then file the end to the shape of the selector hole to fit it, orientated in
the same way as the selector was below.
> I replaced the door with an aluminum piece and then inscribed on the aluminum
OFF/ MAIN /RESERVE and incorporated a spring loaded stop bar to stop turning
the selector to OFF by mistake.
> Consequently you have easily available the ability to switch tanks and turn the
fuel off, if necessary, with seconds.
> I made a bigger selector out of blue foam shaped around the metal selector and
then fiberglass to strengthen it, glued and painted.
> Sorry I haven't a photo as I am in Japan but will be back on Saturday and will
try to remember to send you a photo as a picture is much easier to understand.
> Please remind me if you go ahead with this Tim Ward Mod.
>
> All the best,
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand.
>
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>
> Ph 64 3 3515166
> Mob 0210640221
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reserve Fuel |
Alan
Adding and extension, as Tim has done, is a great improvement.
Unfortunately owners experience is that the Europa supplied valve becomes
stiff to turn after about 150 hours. I replaced mine at 200 hours and
replaced the replacement with an Andair at 275 hours.
Replacement with an Andair is a Standard Mod and details are available on
the Club and LAA web sites.
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/SM13342-1Andair.pdf
The example check list the club publishes on our site
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Sample-checklist.pdf
does stipulate starting on Reserve for the reasons you have outlined.
Possibly we should give greater emphasis to this as some pilots may be using
check lists which have dropped this requirement.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Selector Extension |
On 25/10/2012, at 6:38 PM, Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> One end has a female adaptor with a grub screw to tighten onto the male axle
of the fuel selector cock. (Sounds a little rude!)
Not as rude as the stories I've heard about you New Zealanders and sheep Tim!
In jest of course.
Kingsley
Do not archive
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Hi Alan,
I am probably "telling grandmother how to suck eggs" But I discovered the hard
way that the plastic 5 litre containers can hold far more than 5 litres. Did you
calibrate your 5 litre can before you used it to calibrate your system? The
Europa fuel tank does change shape during its life so recalibration is needed
but I would not expect the extent of error that you described. I would expect
to see a tank capacity of between 58 and 61 litres, not including the reserve
section.
As I am sure you have spotted, the fuel sender (assuming it is the standard Europa
fit) only measures the fuel contents from one side of the saddle so if you
are measuring from a complete empty situation, the first 8-9 litres goes into
the reserve and does not show on the gauge. Also, the standard fuel sender only
has 8 reed switches on it, so the fuel contents "jumps" in steps of about 7
litres.
The other thing to be aware of is that if you are draining fuel via the water drains
(assuming again that you have the standard water drains mod fitted) it is
very hard to completely empty the tank if the aircraft is a Trigear. You are
probably better off emptying the tank by use of the electric pump, having disconnected
the fuel hose at the mechanical fuel pump. That way you get down to
a genuine minimum useable fuel level at flying attitude. This would be your
zero point for fuel gauge calibration.
The process that I follow, from a completely empty tank, is to pour in about 10
litrs of fuel to ensure the reserve side is full. Then drain the main tank again
using the electric pump to remove fuel that has slopped over from the reserve
into the main area. Then start the calibration process.
Again, my apologies if I am stating the obvious.
Regards
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Carter
Sent: 25 October 2012 01:23
Subject: Europa-List: Reserve Fuel
--> <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
Hi All.
I am just putting this in as it may be of use to low hour flyer's or owners that
purchased there aircraft like me.
I purchased my Europa about 3 months ago and have clocked up just over 35 hours
in her.
The previous owner flew her in to Headcorn and basically said nothing , leaving
the plane with a 600 rpm Mag drop which i had to fix.
Eventually I went flying loading extra fuel as i did not know the aeroplane, and
thinking the fuel gauge might be over read a little thinking maybe 5 to 8 litres.
A few weeks later i decided to drain the tanks and check the gauge, lucky i did
for a couple of reasons as follows.
I drained both Main and Reserve as i did not know which tank saddle was the reserve,
more by chance i drained the Main tanks Saddle first, it was a long process
as i used the fuel drain valves under the aircrafts belly.
Then i drained the Reserve the same way ,Here i made a discovery, the 8 litres
of drained fuel was Stale, contained particles and some emulsified water droplets.
I concluded from my detective work (1) That the previous owner never used the Reserve
Side of the Tank, and (2) That even though the Fuel Filler Cap Hose goes
down the same side as the Reserve saddle the fuel in the reserve does not mix
so leaving old stale dirty fuel in the saddle.
I have flow 4 Europa's and nothing about Checking Reserve was printed one there
Check Lists, so i suspect they are quit a few who never use the Reserve,??
So I have added a line to my Check List, Taxing In on Reserve, and then change
back to Main, I am not likely to use Reserve, and the least i fiddle with before
Take Off suits me.
At least i know i have fresh clean fuel there should i need it, And Taxing In after
flying gets me use to putting my hand down the tunnel and correctly moving
the fuel cock to the correct selections.
I refilled the tank using a 5 litre cans checking the gauge and making a Fuel Ref
Chart, to my surprise 58 Lts on the gauge equaled 35 Ltr actually in the tank.
It was way out, i must have been very close empty at times, Now i am using my Chart/Gauge
tables which is quit accurate. I will get round to re calibrating the
gauge now i have instruction Manual. So (3) Know what's actually in the Tank.
I have no fuel filters just a Gasolator, so in cleaning this , i run some main
fuel then and some reserve fuel, having selected Reserve no fuel came through,
another discovery, i have to put my hand down the tunnel to get at the fuel cock,
and selected the fuel cock pointer, to the ON RESERVE position , but was
actually selected to the FUEL OFF position, ie the fuel cock handle position
for Reserve was not as i would have thought to be,it looked and appeared to me
to be set correctly.
(4) Check and Confirm the position and look of the lever for, Fuel Off and the
position and look of the lever for Fuel Reserve , (I am referring to the old early
stile fuel cocks)( not the little Red new type cocks) I know some have all
the latest gismo's , but others with just the bare bones may find this helpful.
So in a nutshell, Fuel/Gauge Tables,Handle the Fuel Cock,Burn some Reserve.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Working cabin heater |
Jaques,
I also plan this sort of installation (http://www.customflightcreations.com/id18.html) this winter, thus cannot yet post my experiences so far.
My (conventional Rotax 914) engine installation is also running cool at low OAT,
therefore I installed a water thermostat (an additional oil thermostat might
also be an option) - this should help a little.
Roland
XS Trigear 914
PH-ZTI
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| Subject: | Re: Working cabin heater |
Hi Roland
I have a similar set up in my 914 but without the water thermostat,
Using one will reduce the water temperature in the Radiator but will
Increase the engine water temperature only,
You would be better of fitting a cowl flap to reduce cold airflow through
The radiator so increasing air temperature behind the radiator then to the
cabin,
My heater certainly takes the chill out of the air making flying pleasant
down to minus 5 C, but it isn=92t as warm as the average car heater,
This I intend to rectify this winter=92s maintenance layup with improved
Ducting and insulating the heat trunking to the cockpit
Ivor
G-IVER
914XS
On 25 October 2012 14:01, Roland <schmidtroland@web.de> wrote:
>
> Jaques,
>
> I also plan this sort of installation (
> http://www.customflightcreations.com/id18.html) this winter, thus cannot
> yet post my experiences so far.
>
> My (conventional Rotax 914) engine installation is also running cool at
> low OAT, therefore I installed a water thermostat (an additional oil
> thermostat might also be an option) - this should help a little.
>
> Roland
> XS Trigear 914
> PH-ZTI
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385979#385979
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Selector Extension |
Alan,
this mine.
When building, my logic was:
- "MAIN" (open) is blue (one neutral colour and blue skies) and pointing
forward (because normally you wanna fly forward!)
- "RES" (reserve) is green (the colour with an inbuild good hope) and
pointing upp (because in the case of fuel lack you probably wanna go upp
not down)
- "CLSD" (closed) is red (the colour which is alarming) and pointing
backwards (because in the case you wanna close your tap you do not wanna
fly anymore)
- position downward not possible to select for clarity
Switchable in =BD second.
Backplate is aluminium and carved /colour filled.
Raimo from Finland
OH-XRT
337,40 in an Europa logbook
today 1,5 hours in Messerschmitt BF 109 G with one succesfull landing.
2012/10/25 Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>
>
> Hi Alan,
> So the fuel cock is mounted on the floor on the fuselage between the seat
s
> and the pilot has to access a door to reach down and change to RESERVE in
> an emergency. NOT GOOD!
> So I took off the fuel selector arm and replaced it with a drill extensio
n
> rod that you can buy down at your local hardware shop. One end has a fema
le
> adaptor with a grub screw to tighten onto the male axle of the fuel
> selector cock. (Sounds a little rude!) The other end you can cut to lengt
h
> so that the end will appear above the door through a hole directly above
> the fuel cock. You can then file the end to the shape of the selector hol
e
> to fit it, orientated in the same way as the selector was below.
> I replaced the door with an aluminum piece and then inscribed on the
> aluminum OFF/ MAIN /RESERVE and incorporated a spring loaded stop bar to
> stop turning the selector to OFF by mistake.
> Consequently you have easily available the ability to switch tanks and
> turn the fuel off, if necessary, with seconds.
> I made a bigger selector out of blue foam shaped around the metal selecto
r
> and then fiberglass to strengthen it, glued and painted.
> Sorry I haven't a photo as I am in Japan but will be back on Saturday and
> will try to remember to send you a photo as a picture is much easier to
> understand.
> Please remind me if you go ahead with this Tim Ward Mod.
>
> All the best,
>
> Tim
>
>
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch, 8052
> New Zealand.
>
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>
> Ph 64 3 3515166
> Mob 0210640221
>
>
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Terveisin,
Raimo Toivio
RWM-SYSTEMS
"=E4lyk=E4st=E4 informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980"
37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4
FINLAND
p. 03 - 3753 777
f. 03 - 3753 100
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| Subject: | Re: Working cabin heater |
Hello Ivor,
as for the temperature in the radiator with a thermostat you are right of course
- never thought about it before.
Nevertheless I prefer the thermostat compared to the cowl flap since there's no
additional controls to care about. At very low temperatures some duct tape should
also do the same job as a cowl flap - although far less sophisticated and
less controllable.
Because some say that no heating at all is needed in the Europa I'm confident,
that Bud Yerly's design works okay for me.
I get more and more a guess, why our Europas are classified as "Experimentals".
Roland
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Hello David, don't know where you are with the Dynon AOA, but the following video
(well based on an Advanced EFIS) could be instructive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=985BkVkRDUs
Jacques.
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| Subject: | Re: Reserve Fuel |
Hello Brian and All
I have not flown for 14 years and a small plane for 30 years,
My machine for the past 14 years was my Honda Blackbird at 200mph a bit faster
than the Europa, but as the sticker on the wind shield says,
"Id rather be flying"
So thank you NPPL i have my L plates on again, keep the posts coming in, its surprising
how much one forgets with the passage of time.
Regards.
Alan
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| Subject: | Fuel selector stiff |
My fuel selector hasn't been getting much exercise in the last few years and has
gotten rather stiff to operate. It's awkward enough getting to it in the tunnel
but as stiff as it is it's almost impossible to operate from the pilot seat.
Anyone have any solutions to getting it to loosen back up.
thanks,
E.G.
mono classic sr. #A009
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Selector Extension |
Raimo,
To heck with pictures of fuel selectors. I want to see pictures and
movies of the BF-109G!! Is it as difficult a beast on takeoff and
landing as rumored? Tell us more!
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Oct 25, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
Alan,
this mine.
When building, my logic was:
- "MAIN" (open) is blue (one neutral colour and blue skies) and pointing
forward (because normally you wanna fly forward!)
- "RES" (reserve) is green (the colour with an inbuild good hope) and
pointing upp (because in the case of fuel lack you probably wanna go upp
not down)
- "CLSD" (closed) is red (the colour which is alarming) and pointing
backwards (because in the case you wanna close your tap you do not wanna
fly anymore)
- position downward not possible to select for clarity
Switchable in =BD second.
Backplate is aluminium and carved /colour filled.
Raimo from Finland
OH-XRT
337,40 in an Europa logbook
today 1,5 hours in Messerschmitt BF 109 G with one succesfull landing.
--
Terveisin,
Raimo Toivio
RWM-SYSTEMS
"=E4lyk=E4st=E4 informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980"
37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4
FINLAND
p. 03 - 3753 777
f. 03 - 3753 100
www.rwm.fi
info@rwm.fi
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