---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/26/12: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:04 AM - Re: Fuel Selector Extension (William Daniell) 2. 09:31 AM - Re: 914 surging/loss of power (Jim Brown) 3. 10:54 AM - Re: Mod 73 (Alan Carter) 4. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: Working cabin heater (Raimo Toivio) 5. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: Working cabin heater (Gilles Thesee) 6. 01:10 PM - Re: Working cabin heater (Roland) 7. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: Working cabin heater (Fred Klein) 8. 02:08 PM - Re: Re: Working cabin heater (Gilles Thesee) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:16 AM PST US From: "William Daniell" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fuel Selector Extension Me too!!! From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger Sent: 25 October 2012 19:27 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Selector Extension Raimo, To heck with pictures of fuel selectors. I want to see pictures and movies of the BF-109G!! Is it as difficult a beast on takeoff and landing as rumored? Tell us more! Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Oct 25, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote: Alan, this mine. When building, my logic was: - "MAIN" (open) is blue (one neutral colour and blue skies) and pointing forward (because normally you wanna fly forward!) - "RES" (reserve) is green (the colour with an inbuild good hope) and pointing upp (because in the case of fuel lack you probably wanna go upp not down) - "CLSD" (closed) is red (the colour which is alarming) and pointing backwards (because in the case you wanna close your tap you do not wanna fly anymore) - position downward not possible to select for clarity Switchable in =BD second. Backplate is aluminium and carved /colour filled. Raimo from Finland OH-XRT 337,40 in an Europa logbook today 1,5 hours in Messerschmitt BF 109 G with one succesfull landing. -- Terveisin, Raimo Toivio RWM-SYSTEMS "=E4lyk=E4st=E4 informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980" 37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4 FINLAND p. 03 - 3753 777 f. 03 - 3753 100 www.rwm.fi info@rwm.fi ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:26 AM PST US From: Jim Brown Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 surging/loss of power Jeff. .at about 700 hours I had the same problem, with engine surging.- A fter replacement of new throttle cable,=0AThe engine was back to normal.=0A =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Jeff B =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, October 22, 2012 12:08 PM =0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: 914 surging/loss of power=0A=0A--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B =0A=0ARestricted fuel lines/fi lters?=0A=0AOn 10/21/2012 4:47 PM, h&jeuropa wrote:=0A> --> Europa-List message posted by: "h&jeuropa" =0A>=0A> We are stuc k in Lamar CO with 914 problems.- Have spent most of the day talking to B ud for ideas. Flew about 4 hours yesterday, stopped for fuel and lunch.- Takeoff was normal but when leveled off, noted fuel flow was only 3.5 gph, not the expected 5.5.- Increasing throttle gave more MP but same fuel flo w.- Engine felt rough or different than normal.=0A>=0A> Landed and inspec ted under cowl - no problem noted.- We had just gotten fuel so thought ma ybe that caused it.- Tried flight this morning when it was cooler, had to make emergency landing because power dropped soon after takeoff.- No vib ration, just wouldn't climb.- Found that our fuel tank vent was plugged, cleared it, ran ground tests & Jim did 20 minute solo test flight with no p roblem.- Loaded plane & departed again, engine power dropped just after g ear retract, made another emergency landing.- (Obvious answer is don't le t Heather in the plane- [Wink] )=0A>=0A> At this point we're thinking pul l carbs for rebuild.- Any other ideas?=0A>=0A> Thanks, Jim & Heather N241 BW=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> Read this topic online here:=0A>=0A> http://forums.m atronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385747#385747=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A =========================0A ================= ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:54:31 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mod 73 From: "Alan Carter" Hello All I have seen a photo of the new Torque Tube made by Europa. As far as i can make out from the picture, is as follows. 1.Basically the TP9 bell crank in the middle, now has a longer tube on each side, 2.The TB12 Drive Plate also has a longer tube on the inside of the Drive Plate this being a slightly smaller diameter than the TP9s extended tubes, So the TP12 Drive plate tube slides directly inside the TP9 Bellcrank tube and a 3/8" pin as before locks them together. So instead of the 4 pins previously used, there are now only 2 pins used. I am saying pins but it could be bolts as i can not tell from the photo.? i am just describing what i can see from the outside photo. The price is around 735 incl Vat, not sure if this just for the 3 above components, or for all the components need, i would guess just the 3 above. Regards . Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386051#386051 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:01 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Working cabin heater From: Raimo Toivio Hello Roland I stated couple of years ago a water thermostat is a must and cars have proved it is something you can really trust. Some of The Europa List-users claimed I am an idiot because adding that "complex" item it makes flying too risky (!). So far I have used it 340 hrs /6 years in my Europa and over 1 million kilometers /34 years in my cars w/o problems. There is no known thermostat problems. In the case of jamming, it will jamm open. As you wrote, a thermostat is automatic - not manual. That is clever. In the other hand, some of us like "many manual levers and knobs to move in and out, upp or down and so". Maybe that is because those pilots would like to be in their dreams a captain of multi-engine-machine and have at least 8 throttle /mixture /prop levers and so to get influence with that girl sitting on the P2 seat. I have water heated carbs and I am happy I have eliminated one knob then again. My grandfather put something front of his cooler to get warmer inside. I prefer automatic system. Also in my house. Also in my life. I am going to fly tomorrow - I promise it really would be not possible here in Finland (my base is about N62) just now without a sophisticated pre-warming /cockpit warming /defrost systems. It is so terrible cold and freezing here just now - be happy you are not Finnish today. Raimo Finland OH-XRT Our AN-2 was almost flipping over today because She lost suddenly the airpressure in Her left gear (attachment). Happily tomorrow there will come here couple of mechanists from Hungary Nyiregyhaza to solve a problem and make some other "minor adjustments" we need to operate this Lady fluently. 2012/10/25 Roland > > Hello Ivor, > > as for the temperature in the radiator with a thermostat you are right of > course - never thought about it before. > > Nevertheless I prefer the thermostat compared to the cowl flap since > there's no additional controls to care about. At very low temperatures so me > duct tape should also do the same job as a cowl flap - although far less > sophisticated and less controllable. > > Because some say that no heating at all is needed in the Europa I'm > confident, that Bud Yerly's design works okay for me. > > I get more and more a guess, why our Europas are classified as > "Experimentals". > > Roland > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386008#386008 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Terveisin, Raimo Toivio RWM-SYSTEMS "=E4lyk=E4st=E4 informaatiotekniikkaa vuodesta 1980" 37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4 FINLAND p. 03 - 3753 777 f. 03 - 3753 100 www.rwm.fi info@rwm.fi ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:53 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Working cabin heater Raimo Toivio a crit : > Hello Roland > > I stated couple of years ago a water thermostat is a must and cars > have proved it is something you can really trust. > Some of The Europa List-users claimed I am an idiot because adding > that "complex" item it makes flying too risky (!). > So far I have used it 340 hrs /6 years in my Europa and over 1 million > kilometers /34 years in my cars w/o problems. > There is no known thermostat problems. > In the case of jamming, it will jamm open. > > As you wrote, a thermostat is automatic - not manual. That is clever. > In the other hand, some of us like "many manual levers and knobs to > move in and out, upp or down and so". > Maybe that is because those pilots would like to be in their dreams a > captain of multi-engine-machine and have at least 8 throttle /mixture > /prop levers and so to get influence with that girl sitting on the P2 > seat. Raimo, Nothing idiot in a water thermostat. The point is, it only takes care of water temperatures, and not of cooling *drag*. With a thermostat, you need to flow lots of air through the radiator, and only act on the water. Radiator drag doesn't matter much in a slow vehicle such as a car or an old fashion already draggy airplane. But in a sleek airplane, always having maximum radiator drag regardless of flight conditions may amount to some precious knots or vertical feet per minute or climb out performance. Bottom line, it is up to the builder. BTW for the sake of lightness and simplicity, the most important lever to get rid of in a less than 200 mph airplane is the gear lever ;-) Below those speed, nothing to be gained with a retracting gear as opposed to a correctly streamlined fixed gear. Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:10:27 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Working cabin heater From: "Roland" Hi Raimo, good to hear that your Antonov stunt turned out well. I guess that who can handle a Mono can manage almost any taildragger surprises. BTW, how about the heating system in the AN-2 - the Russians must know the best about that. Maybe you are right regarding the knobs and levers but I like to keep it simple as well. Good luck tomorrow with the hungarian mechanics, I hope You have a heated hangar at your disposal. Greetings from Germany (5C) Roland XS Trigear 914 PH-ZTI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386062#386062 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:13 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Working cabin heater On Oct 26, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Gilles Thesee wrote: > BTW for the sake of lightness and simplicity, the most important > lever to get rid of in a less than 200 mph airplane is the gear > lever ;-) > Below those speed, nothing to be gained with a retracting gear as > opposed to a correctly streamlined fixed gear. Gilles...in the spirit of :-)....let me guess...your bird is a fixed tri-gear, yes? Fred do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:01 PM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Working cabin heater Fred Klein a crit : > > Gilles...in the spirit of :-)....let me guess...your bird is a fixed > tri-gear, yes? ^^! 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