---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/19/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:13 AM - Reminder (Matt Dralle) 1. 02:57 AM - Re: A spectacle in Uk Norflok (jglazener) 2. 03:05 AM - Ultimate Vents (jglazener) 3. 10:27 AM - Dimention needed please. (stephen vestuti) 4. 11:05 AM - Glider Wing Build (G-IANI) 5. 11:10 AM - Re: Dimention needed please. (G-IANI) 6. 12:29 PM - Re: Dimention needed please. (stephen vestuti) 7. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: Question for 914 users (Kingsley Hurst) 8. 11:46 PM - Re: Ultimate Vents (Frans Veldman) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:30 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Reminder Dear Listers, A quick reminder that November is the annual Matronics List Fund Raiser. The Lists are 100% member supported and all of the operational costs are covered solely through your Contributions during this time of the year. *Your* personal Contribution makes a difference and keeps all of the Matronics Email Lists and Forums completely ad-free. Please make your Contribution today to keep these services up and running for another great year! Use a credit card or your PayPal account here: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, by sending a personal check to: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you in advance! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:54 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: A spectacle in Uk Norflok From: "jglazener" Hello Graeme, Wonderful picture. It is this sort of thing that drives me back into the garage on cold wintry days to get the h... on with finally finishing my plane! Thanks, -------- Jeroen http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388319#388319 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:05:03 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Ultimate Vents From: "jglazener" I have purchased a pair of Ultimate vents which I plan on installing soon. I have seen these put in a number of positions. Does anyone out there feel he has the perfect position and orientation for these vents sorted out, in terms of effectivity, accessibility, and interference? Any particular tips on the installation process? In practice, are these vents by themselves sufficient or are other measures needed to ensure minimum / effective ventilation? Help appreciated, -------- Jeroen http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388320#388320 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:27:00 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Dimention needed please. From: "stephen vestuti" Hi, can someone with a flying or compleated Europa give me the dimension from the back of the control stick to vertical front of the seat unit when the stick is fully aft and also stick fully forward, many thanks, steve. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388341#388341 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:31 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: Europa-List: Glider Wing Build This is an appeal for information from glider wing builders. Steve Leisch (Kit A208) has realised that there are 2 Tufnol bearings part number GAB03 that are not referenced in any of the build documents. I have checked with Karen at Europa and can confirm that GAB03s are diamond shaped Tufnol blocks with a hole in the middle (which is large enough for the airbrake push rod to pass through). Talking to Nev, I believe they are fixed on the root rib to act as an inboard bearing for the airbrake pushrod. The end of the pushrod enters the cabin and is attaches to the cables as per Fig 11 on Page 28a In the Glider manual, section 8-13 refers to cutting the air brake push rods (roughly) to length and fitting the bell crank end. There is no detail for cutting the holes through the ribs forward of the spar, finalising the length, attaching the inboard end fitting on the pushrod or the final connection to the cables. As no one at Europa has any further information I will try and collect as much as I can. I would be pleased to have have any notes, pictures or drawings you may have. When I have got this together I am happy to produce a Build manual supplement covering this area. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:38 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Dimention needed please. Steve On G-IRON and measured horizontally at the top of the seat face 65mm and 115mm. This can be varied depending on the adjustment of the push rod lengths and your preference. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours Europa Club Mods Specialist e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:28 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Dimention needed please. From: "stephen vestuti" Ian, thanks for the quick response, Steve. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388356#388356 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Question for 914 users From: Kingsley Hurst Hello Gilles, Sorry for the delay in replying. I hadn't considered what you have suggested thanks and only got to checking it out two days ago. The line from the equaliser tube to the pressure sensor has a filter which was wrapped in a heat insulating mat. This prevented casual observation of the state of the filter. On removing this covering I found the filter saturated with a brown sludge which I assume was stale condensate of fuel. When I blew through the line (with my mouth) there was a lot of restriction as you can imagine and I was thinking "thanks Gilles", you were right on the ball! I did over two hours flying yesterday after fitting a new filter in a more elevated position and guess what? MAP readings on take-offs are identical to what they were before. (head now shaking!) Because the engine is running so nicely, I have decided to let sleeping dogs lie. There is no point trying to fix something if one is not sure it is 'broke'! Thanks again for your thoughts Gilles. Best regards Kingsley Sent from my iPhone On 14/11/2012, at 10:19 PM, Gilles Thesee wrote: > What about the MAP lines, water trap, restriction, etc. ? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:57 PM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ultimate Vents On 11/19/2012 12:04 PM, jglazener wrote: > I have purchased a pair of Ultimate vents which I plan on installing > soon. I have seen these put in a number of positions. Does anyone out > there feel he has the perfect position and orientation for these > vents sorted out, in terms of effectivity, accessibility, and > interference? Any particular tips on the installation process? I have them too, I installed them with the knob pointing towards the tail. They are working perfectly, the airstream is adjustable to all positions. I have also installed an overhead vent, which is great if you also want to have some air blowing on your head. (I'm bald and some air there keeps my brain from overheating). > In practice, are these vents by themselves sufficient or are other > measures needed to ensure minimum / effective ventilation? Something often overlooked: If you want to let air in, you also have to let air out somewhere. Otherwise you are just pressurizing the cabin until it won't allow any more fresh air in, only just enough to make up for the air leaks, which, depending of the build, might be quite restrictive. I have still not solved this to my full satisfaction. I have a hose running from the D-panel to the tailpost, thinking that the gap between the rudder and the fin is a low pressure area and would be a low drag air outlet. To my surprise, with the overhead and ultimate vents closed, it actually blows air into the cockpit. And no, I have no idea where that air is leaving again. I have a lockpin in the middle of the door (a MUST if you want to prevent the doors from bulging out during flight and leaking out massive amounts of turbulent air in the low pressure area above the wing roots) and the flap drive slots are sealed by the Fred Klein's wing root fairings. It might be that my cowl flap is so efficient that it pulls air through the rudder cable slots so the tunnel becomes a low pressure area and sucks air out via the inspection holes and power lever slot. The only other openings are the tail plain slots, but if the rudder gap is not a low pressure area I wonder why the tail plain slots would be. So, you might want to think about an air outlet too. Don't make it too efficient though: I have these small windows in the door and they are no fun to open during flight as they actually suck the air out and underpressurize the cabin. What happens then is that the cockpit sucks air from all kind of sources, some not too fresh. The cabin fills quickly with a mixture of hot oil smell, traces of fuel smell, a dash of exhaust smell, etc. So take care not to underpressurize the cabin. The ultimate vents always provide fresh air, only during stalls sometimes some exhaust smell seems to make it into the cockpit. 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