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Wed 11/21/12


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     0. 12:10 AM - Some Nice Comments...  (Matt Dralle)
     1. 04:28 AM - Re: A spectacle in Uk Norflok (Troy Maynor)
     2. 04:55 AM - Re: GRT EIS Rotax probes for CLASSIC installation (Troy Maynor)
     3. 05:16 AM - SV: Re: GRT EIS Rotax probes for CLASSIC installation (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
     4. 12:58 PM - Re: GRT EIS Rotax probes for CLASSIC installation (Bud Yerly)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:10:01 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Some Nice Comments...
    Dear Listers, I've been getting some very nice comments from Listers along with their List Support Contributions. I've shared a number of them below. Please read them over and see what your fellow Listers think of the Lists and Forums. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued upgrade and operation of these services. There are lots of sweet gifts available this year, so please browse the nice selection and pickup something fun with your qualifying Contribution! You may use a credit card or your PayPal account here: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or feel free to send a personal check to: Matronics / Matt Dralle 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you in advance for your generous support! It is very much appreciated! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator -------------------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists -------------------- I have been flying my Pietenpol for a month now and am enjoying the fruits of ten hard years of work. I seriously doubt it would ever have been finished but for the help, encouragement and friendships I've received and made through the Pietenpol list. Douwe B Outstanding service to the flying community. George A Matt, I look forward to support each others projects, Glenn B Great list!!! Thanks for all your efforts! Roger C Thank you for keeping up the lists. Without it i would never have completed my aircraft. Stan S Keep up the good work my friend. I don't think I could ever finish my Pietenpol Air Camper without the help I get from this List. Tom S Thank you for keeping these list alive. Lee V The List is invaluable!! Svein J Thanks for continuing to provide the list service! Earl S You have a really GREAT service. Thankyou so much I've been on for nearly 30 years and I still check-in every morning. John B I rely fully on the lists which govern my every decision. The flexibility provides the security I seek. Fergus K My RV 7 Finally flies... 7 years of Matronics.com certainly helped. Martin H Great service here, thanks! I am just getting back to a project I dropped for a few years, great to see your site and all the folks again! James C Thanks for the great site. Robert U The Rotax list is good and the AeroElectric list outstanding! Jay H Thank you for a great resource! Jack T Thanks for your great record of outstanding service to the homebuilding community! Larry W This service is invaluable. Michael W You're doing a great job Matt. Robert D Thanks for all your work, its a great asset to all. John F Thank you for your time & effort Matt! Ted W Matt, been a follower since 2005 on the -10 list, now starting an -8. Keep up the great work! John M Still my favorite place to hang out. William W I'm not a Piet builder, but this is the most informative and congenial list I've ever run across. Please forgive my lurking-I learn a LOT here! Ken M Many thanks for keeping this alive, keep pushing! Adrian C Thanks! Please keep r going! Rich Z Many thanks for your hard work. Robert C Thanks for the Lists! I probably need to subscribe to a few more... John M Been a quick 14 years. Think I subscribed to the Kolb List in 1998, when I got my first computer. Thanks for keeping everything running smoothly for all these years. John H Great resource - thank you. David M I don't post very much, but get the postings, a lot of really practical info. John N Great job Matt, thanks for all you do. Roger M Thanks for ANOTHER great year, Matt! True grassroots experimental aviation has been pushed aside in many ways. But the List represents the evolution of this great tradition of home-building. One man, the plans, the tools, and the List - that's all you need to build the dream! Robert B This message board is a real help to my project and creating friendships. John S Many thanks for your continuing excellent work. Mike G Thank you for your work Matt. Your lists have helped me a great deal during the construction of my plane. Hal B Nice List Van E These lists are priceless for builders. Ronald C Thanks for keeping me in touch with the Pulsar community. Otto S Thanks for keeping up this great warbird sight!! Yak Ron Thanks for providing all the lists for so many years. H H Thanks for all that you do. Your dedication is much appreciated! Warren H Best service on the internet! Owen B I have learned so much from the "list". Nick C Great Service You Are Providing! Giffen M Thanks so much for maintaining these great resources. Dave S I no longer fly due to age and health problems, but I still enjoy the reading from other pilots. Dallas S This is a wonderful site. Robert B Useful service over the last year - thanks. Om T -------------------- What Listers Are Saying About The Lists --------------------


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    Time: 04:28:19 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: A spectacle in Uk Norflok
    From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
    Hi Graeme, Very nice picture. I love pix of places that I've never been but would like to. Ah...wonderlust. Troy do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388507#388507


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    Time: 04:55:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: GRT EIS Rotax probes for CLASSIC installation
    From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
    Hi Chris, I will reply as I have a classic install but admit I won't be much help. I used an engine monitor that went out of business, called Audio Flight Avionics. It came with two threaded (5mm?) CHT probes that screwed into two holes already tapped on the front left and right rear cylinders. I am 40 miles from my hanger so I can't go out and look or take any measurements very soon. The 3/8" ring terminal you mention is meant to go under on of the spark plugs on the same cyclinder most likely. Don't understand the 1/8" one though. I'd call Grand Rapids for guidance unless someone here knows. I remember having to move the EGT probes slightly away from the heads very slightly,(again can't measure today) in order to get away from the thick area of the exhaust pipe. With that, coincidentally, I was about to broach the subject of EGT here in a few days when I have gathered some data on my plane. It seems two of my cylinders are hotter than they should be, but thats off the point for now. Hope you can get the answers you want. Troy Maynor Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388509#388509


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    Time: 05:16:49 AM PST US
    From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
    Subject: Re: GRT EIS Rotax probes for CLASSIC installation
    Troy and Chris, > The 3/8" ring terminal you mention is meant to go under on of the spark > plugs on the same cyclinder most likely. I heard this when I was about to do my installation, but as I recall there is no space for a ring terminal in the spark plug recess in the cylinder head. My memory may be failing, though ......... Regards, Svein


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    Time: 12:58:46 PM PST US
    From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: GRT EIS Rotax probes for CLASSIC installation
    Chris, Please check the grtavionics.com website for installation notes and the updated manual . I've attached Rev K. We are a sales point for GRT and install them frequently. EGT s normally are two inches from the outlet of the head, but that is in the crux of the bend. 2.75 is not that bad. Anything beyond that like out to a max of 8 inches decreases accuracy but is still great for trends. Normally only the two rear cylinders are needed on a 912/914 engine. Place the EGT probes on a fairly straight section and drill the hole so as to keep the probe from rubbing on anything. Pay attention to the foot well and oil tank and plan accordingly. GRT avionics has the larger CHT ring terminals which go on the Rotax CHT probes. You unscrew the probes and put the CHT supplied rings on there and they are an exact fit. I believe for the Rotax it is a 12mm.. There is an option for those who desire a bolt on probe to the cylinder fins. This is normally not provided and I am surprised you received one... Regards, Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christoph Both<mailto:christoph.both@acadiau.ca> To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:03 AM Subject: Europa-List: GRT EIS Rotax probes for CLASSIC installation Hello Europa builders: I am about to drill holes into the stainless steel CLASSIC exhaust headers to mount the EGT probes. Rotax912S manual says to locate the EGT probes 70mm or 2.75 inches from the exhaust port. Both back exhaust pointing stacks end up drilling the thicker, double side flange if I take this measurement. Is this OK? Front exhaust measures 70mm (2.75 inch) on the not- welded part. Is this OK or have CLASSIC engine installations chosen a different distance. I have a GRT EIS Model 4000 for Rotax 912. It came with a number of probes but no description of probes and where to mount them. EGT was no issue (see above). However, there is a set of what I assume CHT probes, one terminating at one end with a large ring terminal (3/8 inch) and one with a very small ring terminal (1/8 inch). What are they for and where do I mont those? Rotax installation manual specifies that 2 probes are to be connected to the hot water location locations provided but then on one page describe tapping a M-5 (5mm) thread to "install" a probe measuring the CHT directly at the cylinder cooling fins as described. I would appreciate some quick clarification for those who have installed this combination. Pictures appreciated. Thanks very much. Christoph Both #223 CLASSIC Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada www.aeroelectric.com<http://www.aeroelectric.com/> www.buildersbooks.com<http://www.buildersbooks.com/> www.homebuilthelp.com<http://www.homebuilthelp.com/> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Europa-List>




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