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Mon 11/26/12


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     0. 09:58 AM - Contributions Down By 23%... (Matt Dralle)
     1. 12:15 AM - Re: Handheld with external antenna (Max Cointe)
     2. 11:51 PM - Re: tri gear socket installation (Donald Cameron)
 
 
 


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    Time: 09:58:08 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Contributions Down By 23%...
    Dear Listers, As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind last year at this time by roughly 23%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to keep the expenses paid. I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet connection is a commercial-grade, dual T1 connection with public address space. I also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related data so that in the event of a server crash, all of the Lists and the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter of hours. All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Site, you can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the continuation of these services: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator


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    Time: 12:15:53 AM PST US
    From: "Max Cointe" <mcointe@free.fr>
    Subject: Handheld with external antenna
    Hi Svein, Haven=92t done much on this. No special rec, but I=92m very curious to ear how your stuff works=85 Max Cointe F-PMLH Europa_TriGear Kit #560 912ULS Airmaster 450 hours <mailto:mcointe@free.fr> mcointe@free.fr De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Sidsel & Svein Johnsen Envoy=E9 : dimanche 25 novembre 2012 18:53 =C0 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : Europa-List: Handheld with external antenna Hi Max, So sorry to read about your sudden cabriolet conversion. Did you have a chance to test the Icom handheld with the external antenna before this happened? If so, how did it work? I have now purchased the AAE VHF-5T antenna, which I plan to fix vertically to the fuselage inside skin on the right side behind the luggage bay bulkhead (I have the transponder antenna on the left side). Any particular recommendations (e.g. type of adhesive that you used). Regards, Svein LN-SKJ


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    Time: 11:51:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: tri gear socket installation
    From: Donald Cameron <fireflier@btinternet.com>
    Hi all Many thanks for all your replies much appreciated and has put my mind to res t that all appears normal with the installation of my tri gear sockets. Not had a chance to go back and re check everything again but will check ove r everything another few times before taking the plunge & bonding in the soc kets. Many thanks for all the comments & suggestions on doing the rest of the proc ess as well, they are all very useful and gives me different options to comp lete the tri gear installation. Kind regards Donald Sent from my iPhone On 25 Nov 2012, at 20:07, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com> wrote: > Nev, Donald, and others having tri gear concerns. > > Nev is right that the gap is really not that much of a concern especially a t 5-8 mm. Organizing the project for efficiency of work comes with practic e. > > The adjustment of the height of the fuselage to gear plane is one excellen t way to make and adjustment to the fit. Just don't get too carried away, k eep it close to the vertical distance in the book, which keeps the tail from being too low (nose gear higher means banging it more often) or too high wh ich increases the camber angle making tire wear increase. > > I do bend the flanges a bit to allow me not to have to use as much Redux. Then just bond it in. > > Unlike Nev, I prefer to glue in the cleaned and dimpled metal sockets firs t and allow to cure, then put in Rib one the next day. If working alone, I put in both rib ones and let them partially cure, getting a long coffee bre ak. If working with an assistant, we return when the ribs are firm and appl y Aeropoxy or Ampreg flox to fill the gaps at the walls and smooth our Redux job a bit and apply more Redux to the leg face for a good bond and follow w ith the number one layups. If we are making good time, we lay on rib two wit h Redux then take a quick lunch break. We come back and while the Redux is a bit sticky but the rib is in firmly, we lay in more flox and glass it up. T hen I allow it to cure with a bit of peel ply. That makes for a really long day though. > > However, if you're not on with your glassing MOJO, as the kids say, then I do rib two the next day. Of course you can gather that the one and two r ibs are carefully cut to a tight fit and ready to install before hand. In a perfect world, the next day I do the trimming of the three and four ribs an d install them. Your back will really need a break when done. Then take t he gear out and glass in the bottom. > > If working alone, and if the top is on already, work gets slowed down a bi t, so one rib a day is normally the rule. It is getting winter time, so hea ting of the project is necessary so it also tends to slow the project a bit. > > =46rom start to finish, one week to get the plane level and set, ribs in a nd legs on. That leaves the next week to get the wheels and brakes in and o perating, and the plane rolling. Week three is needed for the wheel pants a nd such. Then you need a much deserved break but only a short one, as there is more to do. Getting the monowheel hole closed up and figure how to get a lower access hole installed and fuel lines cleaned up and accessories in t hat big old cockpit module hole. > > Regards, > Bud Yerly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Neville Eyre > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:57 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: tri gear socket installation > > Hi Donald, > 1/2'' to 5/8'' gaps betwen the socket flange and the outer skin is not unu sual, I could never work out where the variation came from ? > Most important is the ST 70 dimension. > Then ensure the track is true with the legs clamped to an angle straight e dge.Take measurements from tailplane torque tube ends to check this. > Then ensure the horizontal datum of the angle aligns with the aircrafts ho rizontal datum [ tailplane torque tube / wing spar bushes ]. > Then check the lateral position from the aircrafts centre line [ also chec k the positive camber of the axle shafts and adjust [ worsen] the side to si de positioning to get the camber of the shafts nearer to each other. > Forget about closing up the gap between the socket flanges and the fuselag e skin. > If you can close up the gap [ dropping the fuselage ] without buggering up any of the other parameters, well and good, otherwise go for it and use a t hick Redux pad in the gap. I have slipped in some plywood shims to bulk out t he gap if it as large as you describe [ Redux is expensive, slivers of wood w ill be free !] > Other things I do different, the lay up of the socket to Rib 1, don't smea r Redux on the socket and do the lay up with Ampreg, do a HOT Redux lay up i n 1 ply of Bid, 2'' onto each side of the Rib around the socket, peel ply an d let cure. Then do the lay ups as per Manual. > Do a hot Redux lay up on the outer face of the socket flange, peel ply etc , before doing the 2 Bid lay up on to the skin. Do the hot Redux lay ups ont o plastic sheet, wet out well, then slap it on like an elastoplast ! > Ampreg doesn't stick too well to steel, and I don't like messing with two d ifferent epoxy systems going wet on wet ? > Cheers, > Nev. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: fireflier <fireflier@btinternet.com> > To: europa-list <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 1:04 > Subject: Europa-List: tri gear socket installation > > > Hello > > Today I have been busy trial fitting my gear sockets. but I have got a pro blem > and wondered if anyone has experience this during building and how they ha ve > overcome it? > > After taking my time setting everything up as per the build manual I inser ted > the gear legs and sockets into the holes clamping the axle's in position a gainst > angled bar with the axle center line on fuselage station 70 and the axle e nd > 36.75' from the fuselage center line. With all this set up the socket fla nges > are approx 13 - 15 mm of the fuselage. > > I tried altering the fuselage underside to ground height but this made ver y > little difference to the distance between socket flanges and the fuselage. I > managed to get the gap down to approx 5-8mm by reducing the fuselage under side > to ground height to 395mm, this is very different to the 413mm quoted in t he > build manual. > > I have attached some photos showing the gap between sockets and fuselage a nd > also the position of the socket tubes within the baggage bays when inserte d. > > Any comments or solutions to my problem would be much appreciated. > > Many thanks for taking the time in trying to help me find a solution to th e > problems I'm experiencing. > > Kind regards > Donald > > -------- > Fireflier > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388820#388820 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/port_axle_494.jpeg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/starboard_axle_172.jpeg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/starboard_socket_position_in_baggage_ba y_539.jpeg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/starboard_leg_socket_188.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/port_socket_position_in_baggage_bay_886 .jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/port_leg_socket_744.jpeg > > > > > _blank>www.aeroelectric.com > /" target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com > =_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > p://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com > title=http://www.buildersbooks.com/ href="http://www.buildersbooks.com ">www.buildersbooks.com > href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ch ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >




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