---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/06/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:45 AM - off topic (Fred Klein) 2. 01:46 PM - Re: off topic (stephen vestuti) 3. 05:57 PM - Oil tank breather separator (John Wigney) 4. 09:03 PM - Re: Re: Fusalage fuel stains and gauges (Bud Yerly) 5. 09:38 PM - Re: Oil tank breather separator (Bud Yerly) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:10 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: off topic > LONDON (The Borowitz Report)=97The media mogul Rupert Murdoch stunned the world of British antiquities today by purchasing the newly discovered remains of Richard III for a hundred million dollars. > > =93This is a dream come true for me,=94 a jubilant Mr. Murdoch told reporters after the British government accepted his bid for the fallen tyrant. =93Richard III is more than an important historical figure to me. He=92s a role model.=94 > > Mr. Murdoch said that he plans to put Richard III on display at the News Corporation headquarters in New York, =93where he will serve as an inspiration to all our employees when I=92m not there.=94 > > But Mr. Murdoch=92s shocking purchase of Richard=92s bones has ignited howls of protest from British historians like Alistair Grindle, who warns that the media magnate=92s motives may be far from pure. > > =93It would not surprise me one bit if Murdoch attempted to reanimate Richard III=92s DNA and use him to seize control of the British government,=94 says Mr. Grindle. =93The last thing this world needs is Rupert Murdoch and Richard III working together.=94 > > For his part, Mr. Murdoch said he was baffled why his purchase of Richard III had proven so controversial: =93This is far from the first time I=92ve bought a British leader.=94 > > > Read more: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2013/02/rupert-murdoc h-emerges-as-winning-bidder-for-richard-iiis-bones.html#ixzz2K8cThwQe do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:46:52 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: off topic From: "stephen vestuti" Absolutly Brilliant ! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393722#393722 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:47 PM PST US From: John Wigney Subject: Europa-List: Oil tank breather separator Dear Europaphiles, I am doing some routine maintenance and note that as usual, I have quite a lot of oily marks on the belly of my plane from the oil tank breather hose from my 912S. I am curious if any of you have installed an oil breather/separator and if this has been successful, perhaps you may be able to make a recommendation. Cheers, John N262WF, mono XS, 912S Mooresville, North Carolina ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:47 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fusalage fuel stains and gauges Max, Sorry I got tied up with Mod 78 and other issues and have neglected to review the matronics list. I would not say it is easy to put a FF sender it into the engine compartment, but I have known guys to get good results providing the inlet and outlet through the sender is straight for a few inches. I don't know why you want to put a hole in the filler cap. If fuel over boarding is a problem, talk to your mechanic and vent the tank out the bottom by adding a tee and let the gas run on the ground. Or am I missing something. Email off line to budyerly@msn.com. Regards, Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Max Cointe To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2013 9:31 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Fusalage fuel stains and gauges Bud, Some transceivers (FT-60, Vortex, .) are said to be operational in the engine compartment. Then it's easy to put it between the tee (the other side of the tee being the return line) and the carbs. That's what I will install next as one has done already in few ships. Back to vents I didn't get any answer concerning the idea to open a hole in the cap of the filler as a vent and have a line from there directly to the tank. Probably none did it but anyone has an opinion on it? Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 450 hours F-PLDJ Dyn'A=E9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1550 heures De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Bud Yerly Envoy=E9 : samedi 26 janvier 2013 04:06 =C0 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : Re: Europa-List: Re: Fusalage fuel stains and gauges Roland, Max and Alan. I have a love hate relationship with fuel gauges also. I have revisited the Priceton fuel probe (the 5S with 5 set points). It is the same old capacitance probe, just better electrics. Pro's: Small hole 1/2 inch in the top of the tank with a good grommet to seal the probe in without fear of popping out and leaking. I still put a cover over the sender to make sure it can't pop out (because I have seen it on annuals). Pretty reliable, mine is 5 years old and OK. Quite accurate if the fuel type (mogas or aviation 100LL) is kept consistent. With five set points I set my gauge as follows: E=0 or reserve fuel only as the gauge is on the pilot side. 1/4 = 2.5 gallons (basically filled to the hump). 1/2 = 5.0 gallons (that is the height of most tanks just at the level of the top of the arm rest (wheel well to the bulkhead point) 3/4 = 10 gallons (about the height at the break of the tank) F= 15 plus reserve so basically full with the old 18 gallon tank. The new tank is nearly 20. These points are pretty linear between each set point so it cuts down on the mental gymnastics. I use a Westach gauge, but have done it with the Dynon and the gauges are reliable. I am impressed with the consistency over time. Cons: As you know, if you change gas, all your settings change. What a pain. Takes a while to set the points. Did I mention it was a pain if you change gas. Not all EFIS or EIS systems read capacitance probes. The Europa float works quite well in the planes I installed it in. It is just a dumb cork float and resistance pot. If you are willing to experiment, there is a cute fuel bobber used in marine tanks with a spiral cork attached to a gauge. It reads on a 90 degree angle. Stupid simple, works with any fuel, but is behind you. They do make an electronic pickup. Problem is it has a large style 5 hole flange, which I hate. Mainly because the only thing to seal them with for trouble free operation is messy pro seal... Like many, I have a JPI fuel flow sender, which is dead accurate, provided you give it the proper starting amount. Once set, on landing, note the fuel installed and add that to the amount left and it is pretty darned good on my 914. I found out reading the new Rotax install manual that they have made a minor change to their fuel flow setups. Rotax had put in a drawing to place the fuel return orifice to be placed prior to the fuel sender. It will still regulate the pressure as it is supposed to and the 912S/ULS will have a dead accurate fuel flow reading. I haven't changed the two 912S aircraft in service in the shop, but am tempted. It is a lot of plumbing though. However, in August 2012 Rotax changed their Install manual and removed it because of their new fuel rail with built in return and orifice. Anyway, it is quite interesting. I have the drawing in an old manual. The problem is the orifice needs to be downstream of the mechanical pump, and the fuel flow sender is not made to take heat/fire in the engine compartment (manufacturer of the senders recommends and FAA frowns on senders in the engine compartment). One would have to take the line from the mechanical pump put in a tee with an orifice and return line back to the tank. From that tee the line continues to the fuel flow sender, then back to the carbs. The requirements of the fuel system is still met as the orifice drops the fuel pressure from the pumps just a bit to 5.8 max to keep the float needle operating properly... Regards, Bud Yerly 914, sight gauge that works, capacitance fuel gauge, JPI totalizer and of course a wrist watch, tach, MP and fuel charts.... Talk about department of redundant redundancy. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roland To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2013 2:50 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fusalage fuel stains > Hi Roger, I refuel after each flight absolutely to the top until fuel spits out of the breather and I see it in the tank, since I don't have a reliable fuel gauge. I then trailer my Europa home and to the airport for the next flight. No fuel comes out. So I cannot imagine, that you just overfilled. Hope this helps for troubleshooting. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS Trigear 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=392923#392923 http://forums.matronics.com _p; generous bsp; title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c== ============== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:24 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oil tank breather separator Photo E-mail View slideshow | Download images John, Not a bad idea on a 912S. All the Rotax's do spit a bit more oil when the tank is full as on a cross country. My 914 doesn't spit much oil unless it is full. A separator may do the trick. I saw someone with a simple screw on can lid and brazed a couple tubes in it. The store bought ones all have 5/8 and 3/4 inch tubes and cost a bundle. I am familiar with the Jabiru separators and they work well but they have a 5/8 nipple. Why not make a fiberglass can 2x2x4 with a 5/16 inlet and outlet out of the top, coat it well with fiberglass resin to seal and bake it at 250F for a bit to heat cure it. Cheap and simple... Bolt it on the firewall and let the outlet dangle out the bottom as before. Regards, Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: John Wigney To: Europa-List Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:56 PM Subject: Europa-List: Oil tank breather separator Dear Europaphiles, I am doing some routine maintenance and note that as usual, I have quite a lot of oily marks on the belly of my plane from the oil tank breather hose from my 912S. I am curious if any of you have installed an oil breather/separator and if this has been successful, perhaps you may be able to make a recommendation. 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