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1. 12:43 AM - Re: Re: Fusalage fuel stains and gauges (Max Cointe)
2. 03:42 AM - Re: Oil tank breather separator (G-IANI)
3. 05:33 AM - Woodcomp Prop diameter (Europaul383)
4. 05:47 AM - Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (Christoph Both)
5. 06:42 AM - Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (Frans Veldman)
6. 07:10 AM - Re: Oil tank breather separator (Jeff B)
7. 07:54 AM - Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (Europaul383)
8. 08:18 AM - Re: Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (Frans Veldman)
9. 08:35 AM - Re: Oil tank breather separator (John Wigney)
10. 10:18 AM - Re: Oil tank breather separator (Tim Ward)
11. 10:35 AM - Re: Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (David Joyce)
12. 10:55 AM - Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (graeme bird)
13. 11:02 AM - permit form in - heralds a season of unusually good weather (graeme bird)
14. 11:46 AM - Re: Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (Frans Veldman)
15. 12:47 PM - Re: Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (David Joyce)
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| Subject: | Re: Fusalage fuel stains and gauges |
Bud,
FF sender : I forecast to install it this summer and I=92ll et you know.
Hole in cap: this was just to limit the number of holes and length of
tube
for vent of the tank and the visual gauge. I would be really surprised
that
fuel goes out through this hole (BTW I am my mechanic J)
Max Cointe
<mailto:mcointe@free.fr> mcointe@free.fr
F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 450 hours
F-PLDJ Dyn=92A=E9ro MCR 4S
Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1550 heures
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| Subject: | Oil tank breather separator |
John, Bud
I seem to remember that there was a lot of discussion of the best way to do
this back in 2002-3.
Attached is a picture of what I have been using on G-IANI (which is 914
powered but the same principles apply) for the last nine years. A simple
open top bottle.
It collects a little condensate (water) and a small amount of oil but never
more that about 15mm between services. I have never experienced any oil
staining round the bottle.
The bottle, chosen for its size and shape, came from a Halfords break bleed
kit and cost very little.
One important point is not to have the end of the drain tube (or top of the
bottle) in a low pressure area as this will make things worse.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
e-mail g-iani@ntlworld.com
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John,
Not a bad idea on a 912S. All the Rotax's do spit a bit more oil when the
tank is full as on a cross country. My 914 doesn't spit much oil unless it
is full. A separator may do the trick. I saw someone with a simple screw
on can lid and brazed a couple tubes in it. The store bought ones all have
5/8 and 3/4 inch tubes and cost a bundle.
I am familiar with the Jabiru separators and they work well but they have a
5/8 nipple. Why not make a fiberglass can 2x2x4 with a 5/16 inlet and
outlet out of the top, coat it well with fiberglass resin to seal and bake
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From: John Wigney <mailto:johnwigney@windstream.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:56 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Oil tank breather separator
Dear Europaphiles,
I am doing some routine maintenance and note that as usual, I have quite a
lot of oily marks on the belly of my plane from the oil tank breather hose
from my 912S.
I am curious if any of you have installed an oil breather/separator and if
this has been successful, perhaps you may be able to make a recommendation.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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| Subject: | Woodcomp Prop diameter |
I'm thinking of ordering a Woodcomp SR3000/3 for my 912S-powered XS Mono.
The preferred prop size seems to be 1625 mm... The factory offered 1625 or 1650,
and I think 1625 is best for ground clearance reasons. Anybody got any better
ideas?
I am also going for the SR3000/3 - again, unless somebody tells me I simply *must*
have the 3000/3W.
All answers gratefully received...
Paul M
XS Mono 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter |
I installed the SR3000-2 blade, scimitar. It is sized 1650mm, so the
1625mm seems to make sense for the 3-blade. Saved 9 pounds weight, though
up front, with the 2 blade.
Christoph Both
#223 Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada
On 13-02-07 9:32 AM, "Europaul383" <europaul383@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>I'm thinking of ordering a Woodcomp SR3000/3 for my 912S-powered XS Mono.
>
>The preferred prop size seems to be 1625 mm... The factory offered 1625
>or 1650, and I think 1625 is best for ground clearance reasons. Anybody
>got any better ideas?
>
>I am also going for the SR3000/3 - again, unless somebody tells me I
>simply *must* have the 3000/3W.
>
>All answers gratefully received...
>
>Paul M
>XS Mono 912S
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393767#393767
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter |
On 02/07/2013 02:32 PM, Europaul383 wrote:
> I am also going for the SR3000/3 - again, unless somebody tells me I
> simply *must* have the 3000/3W.
I would go for the /W, because for the Europa cruise speed the inner
portion of the blades has a much better profile. It increases
efficiency, speed, and cooling. (The latter because the inner portion of
the blades throws more air into the cooling system). I'm unaware of any
advantage of the "normal" version over the /W version. The /W version is
simply a prop better suited for the speed range of the Europa airplane.
Also I would go for the 2-blade version. This for the same reason as why
for a fast airplane a single plane wing is better than a bi-plane. With
two blades instead of three you cut down 33% of the leading edge,
blade-tip vortexes, weight, etc. The result is higher efficiency and
higher speed, lower gyroscopic effects, better glide ratio, etc. The /2W
prop has more than enough area to fully utilize the power of the Rotax
engine; you don't need more blades for this amount of power.
I have the SR3000/2W on my 914 powered Europa, and I'm very satisfied
with the performance to say the least. The only drawback of a 2-blade
prop is that it is a bit more prone to vibrations, but with the prop
properly balanced and the carburators properly tuned there are no
significant vibrations. I see it as an advantage that I immediately feel
it when the carbs are unbalanced, inviting me to investigate, rather
than to hide the imbalance to me until more serious problems develop.
Avoid the scimitar blades. They offer no advantage over the normal
blades, it is just for the looks (if it is your taste after all), but
they are asymmetrical on the variable pitch system and create strain
both mechanically as electronically.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Oil tank breather separator |
John,
A simple can, similar to the one in Bud's drawing will work. I used a
4oz. PVC glue can. One hole in the removable top, and one high on the
side. At every oil change, I remove the top and dump out the gunk. No
oil on the belly...
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 2/6/2013 7:56 PM, John Wigney wrote:
> Dear Europaphiles,
>
> I am doing some routine maintenance and note that as usual, I have quite
> a lot of oily marks on the belly of my plane from the oil tank breather
> hose from my 912S.
>
> I am curious if any of you have installed an oil breather/separator and
> if this has been successful, perhaps you may be able to make a
> recommendation.
>
> Cheers, John
>
> N262WF, mono XS, 912S
> Mooresville, North Carolina
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
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| Subject: | Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter |
Thanks to both (no pun intended, Christoph!),
Christoph: I have just found our LAA limits (based on EASA CS-VLA) and it might
be tricky getting 1650 approved, but now the topic has opened up to 2 vs. 3 blades
and W vs. normal.
Frans: do you have any data you may have recorded during testing/touring?
Specifically, airspeed & RPM (presumably 5,500?) mapped to climb rates; and max
speed at different weights.
A bit of a long shot, but have you measured any data while normally-aspirated (turbo
off)? If you need an excuse to go flying, maybe you might fancy trying some
normally-aspirated climbs and cruises? [Wink]
Thanks in advance,
Paul
XS Mono 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter |
On 02/07/2013 04:53 PM, Europaul383 wrote:
> Frans: do you have any data you may have recorded during
> testing/touring?
>
> Specifically, airspeed & RPM (presumably 5,500?) mapped to climb
> rates; and max speed at different weights.
Yes, but my ship is quite non-standard and it is impossible to attribute
the performance to the individual mods as they where there from the
beginning. I have very large wing root fairings, highly modified low
drag cooling, intercooler on the engine, a modified high top
arrangement, gap seals, modified exhaust, etc. and the /2W prop is just
one of the features. My Europa seems to be on the "fast" side when
compared to other Europa's.
> A bit of a long shot, but have you measured any data while
> normally-aspirated (turbo off)?
I don't see how it would be possible to turn the turbo off (turning it
off is something entirely different to flipping the TCU switch) but of
course I can fly in Manifold Pressure regions that are available to
naturally aspirated engines too. In fact I usually fly with about 27 to
28" of MAP which gives me speeds around 130 IAS @MTOW if I recall
correctly. (Haven't been flying for a while due to weather and lack of
reachable interesting destinations).
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Oil tank breather separator |
Hi Bud,
Well as usual, you are full of good ideas. Why did I not think of making
one?
Thanks, John
------------------------------------------------------------------------
John,
Not a bad idea on a 912S. All the Rotax's do spit a bit more oil when the tank
is full as on a cross country. My 914 doesn't spit much oil unless it is full.
A separator may do the trick. I saw someone with a simple screw on can lid
and brazed a couple tubes in it. The store bought ones all have 5/8 and 3/4
inch tubes and cost a bundle.
I am familiar with the Jabiru separators and they work well but they have a 5/8
nipple. Why not make a fiberglass can 2x2x4 with a 5/16 inlet and outlet out
of the top, coat it well with fiberglass resin to seal and bake it at 250F for
a bit to heat cure it. Cheap and simple...
Bolt it on the firewall and let the outlet dangle out the bottom as before.
Regards, Bud
------------------------------------------------------------------------
----- Original Message -----
From: John Wigney<mailto:johnwigney@windstream.net>
To: Europa-List<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:56 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Oil tank breather separator
Dear Europaphiles, I am doing some routine maintenance and note that as usual,
I have quite a lot of oily marks on the belly of my plane from the oil tank
breather hose from my 912S.
I am curious if any of you have installed an oil breather/separator and if this
has been successful, perhaps you may be able to make a recommendation.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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| Subject: | Re: Oil tank breather separator |
John,
I use a aluminum " Baroca" tablet container to catch any oil spill. Baroca i
s a energy vitamin supplement from the Supermarket or Chemist/ Pharmacy. It i
s big enough to catch the oil from the overflow tube and I clean it out ever
y 100 hour annual check. The overflow tube runs down the side of the footwel
l and the container is installed against the footwell with electrical ties.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
On 8/02/2013, at 5:34 AM, John Wigney <johnwigney@windstream.net> wrote:
> Hi Bud,
>
> Well as usual, you are full of good ideas. Why did I not think of making o
ne?
>
> Thanks, John
>
>
> John,
> Not a bad idea on a 912S. All the Rotax's do spit a bit more oil when the
tank is full as on a cross country. My 914 doesn't spit much oil unless it
is full. A separator may do the trick. I saw someone with a simple screw
on can lid and brazed a couple tubes in it. The store bought ones all have
5/8 and 3/4 inch tubes and cost a bundle.
>
> I am familiar with the Jabiru separators and they work well but they have a
5/8 nipple. Why not make a fiberglass can 2x2x4 with a 5/16 inlet and outl
et out of the top, coat it well with fiberglass resin to seal and bake it at
250F for a bit to heat cure it. Cheap and simple...
> Bolt it on the firewall and let the outlet dangle out the bottom as befor
e.
> Regards, Bud
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Wigney<mailto:johnwigney@windstream.net>
> To: Europa-List<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 8:56 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Oil tank breather separator
> Dear Europaphiles, I am doing some routine maintenance and note that a
s usual, I have quite a lot of oily marks on the belly of my plane from the o
il tank breather hose from my 912S.
> I am curious if any of you have installed an oil breather/separator and i
f this has been successful, perhaps you may be able to make a recommendation
.
> Cheers, John
> N262WF, mono XS, 912S
> Mooresville, North Carolina
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter |
Paul, I have data comparing performance of SR 3000W 1625
with SR 2000 1625 on a 914 and clear advantage for latter.
Am skiing at present but when home will send you the full
analysis. The LAA will I believe not accept 1650, and I
suspect that Woodcomp would advise the 3 blader (but ask
them) for a 912 S as they did for my 914, otherwise at any
height you risk running out of propeller to take the
power.
Regards, David Joyce, G- XSDJ
On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 07:53:03 -0800
"Europaul383" <europaul383@hotmail.com> wrote:
><europaul383@hotmail.com>
>
> Thanks to both (no pun intended, Christoph!),
>
> Christoph: I have just found our LAA limits (based on
>EASA CS-VLA) and it might be tricky getting 1650
>approved, but now the topic has opened up to 2 vs. 3
>blades and W vs. normal.
>
>Frans: do you have any data you may have recorded during
>testing/touring?
>
> Specifically, airspeed & RPM (presumably 5,500?) mapped
>to climb rates; and max speed at different weights.
>
> A bit of a long shot, but have you measured any data
>while normally-aspirated (turbo off)? If you need an
>excuse to go flying, maybe you might fancy trying some
>normally-aspirated climbs and cruises? [Wink]
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Paul
> XS Mono 912S
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393776#393776
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Un/Subscription,
>Forums!
>Admin.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter |
I changed last year. I guess you saw my post regarding replacement blades on the
W version having to be a set. If I started again I would go for the normal ones.
It has to be 1625 and 3 blades to be approved by the LAA.
having put it on, put the warp drive back, then back to woodcomp, I cant say that
there was any substantial cruise performance increase except take off and more
control on landing. It looks very nice though.
Kevin was very helpful.
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 45 hours
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | permit form in - heralds a season of unusually good weather |
So the form is into the LAA and the old permit has expired, thus all in the UK
should expect a short sharp snap of unusually good flying weather until the new
one arrives. One of my eyes will be on the blue sky and another on the letter
box. Ha!
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 45 hours
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter |
On 02/07/2013 07:34 PM, David Joyce wrote:
> I suspect that Woodcomp would advise the 3 blader (but
> ask them) for a 912 S as they did for my 914, otherwise at any height
> you risk running out of propeller to take the power.
With my 914 intercooler and 3000/2W I fly regularly at +FL100 but never
ran out of propeller to take the power or even close to that.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter |
Frans, We are of course subject to LAA scrutiny & they
require us to demonstrate climb rate of >300fpm in max
coarse from a go around, which no doubt means that our
coarse stop will be not so coarse as yours. I can
overspeed the engine at 100% throttle at 10,000ft - not
that at is of great consequence as I usually cruise at
much lower throttle settings. Otherwise your inter cooler
is working wonders! Regards, David Joyce
On Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:45:50 +0100
Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl> wrote:
><frans@privatepilots.nl>
>
> On 02/07/2013 07:34 PM, David Joyce wrote:
>
>> I suspect that Woodcomp would advise the 3 blader (but
>> ask them) for a 912 S as they did for my 914, otherwise
>>at any height
>> you risk running out of propeller to take the power.
>
> With my 914 intercooler and 3000/2W I fly regularly at
>+FL100 but never
> ran out of propeller to take the power or even close to
>that.
>
>Frans
>
>
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