---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/08/13: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (MalcolmH) 2. 07:45 AM - Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (Europaul383) 3. 07:55 AM - Re: Torque Tube Clamp Mod. into production ... (Tower, Frederick) 4. 11:10 AM - Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (Rowland Carson) 5. 11:29 AM - Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (graeme bird) 6. 12:08 PM - Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter (Europaul383) 7. 01:27 PM - Re: off topic (Alan Carter) 8. 02:15 PM - Afors .com (Alan Carter) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:40 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter From: "MalcolmH" davidjoyce(at)doctors.org wrote: > Paul, I have data comparing performance of SR 3000W 1625 > with SR 2000 1625 on a 914 and clear advantage for latter. > Am skiing at present but when home will send you the full > analysis. The LAA will I believe not accept 1650, and I > suspect that Woodcomp would advise the 3 blader (but ask > them) for a 912 S as they did for my 914, otherwise at any > height you risk running out of propeller to take the > power. > Regards, David Joyce, G- XSDJ > On Thu, 7 Feb 2013 07:53:03 -0800 > "Europaul383" wrote: > I'm sure David will correct me but I think he meant 'former' in his response above Paul, I am in a similar position to yourself and indeed asked the same question on the forum and David was most helpful in the advice he gave. However then Frans suggested the 2W option. I didn't find Woodcomp particularly helpful I'm afraid. I had a little correspondence with Kevin and the factory but the bottom line seemed to be you pays your money and takes your choice. My view is that its an awful lot of money to spend only to realize you've made a mistake and now Graeme has concluded that he would have fitted the 'normal' ones (by this I think he means 3000/3 no W suffix). So I was erring towards the 3000/3W but not sure again after Graeme's comment. One thing though the Smart Avionics Controller would be my option. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393843#393843 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:46 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter From: "Europaul383" As you say Malcolm, I have made up my mind I'm not sure! I know the LAA mandate a max of 1625 mm (based on clearance calcs in CS-VLA, which is not a requirement for LAA aircraft, but that's another argument!)... they don't insist on 3 blades - Andy Draper said they have lots of 3000/2W listed for Sport Cruisers, but I guess they have the ground clearance to allow for longer blades... I suspect 3 blades may be necessary to keep a decent blade area for 1625 diameter (with a 1650 you have more area, so can get away with 2 blades I guess). So now it's *just* a choice of wide vs. normal:- Data showing W is better for 914 - but does this apply equally to 912S? or a subjective comment "If I started again I would go for the normal ones" (like you, I think that's what he means). Decisions, decisions! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393859#393859 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:01 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Torque Tube Clamp Mod. into production ... From: "Tower, Frederick" Dear Bob When I asked to be put on the list for the new torque tube clamps, I didn't realize that they are intended to solve a problem that the older torque tu bes had. My torque tube came with kit 631, shipped in January, 2012, and I assume from the diagrams that it is a different and non-compatable design. please forgive the inconvenience. Fred Tower ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of danny shepherd Sent: Sun 1/27/2013 5:45 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Torque Tube Clamp Mod. into production ... Hi Bob, My torque tube seems ok at the moment, but looking to the futu re could you put me down for a set of your clamps. Cheers Danny Shepherd. G-ceri 01745 583728 07767088833 On 27/01/2013 08:36, Alasdair Milne wrote: Dear Bob, Please add me to the list of customers for your Europa torque tube clamps. Yours, Alasdair From: Bob Harrison Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 9:14 AM To: Europa Matronic Circuit Subject: Europa-List: Torque Tube Clamp Mod. into production ... Hi! Sorry for promotional but if it helps you to know we are now setting u p to produce a small quantity of the latest design of clamps. Now is the time to join the order list should you be interested. Best regards and wishes to all Europa Flyers for a safe 2013. Bob Harrison G-PTAG href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List" >http://www.matronhref= "http://forums.matronics.com" >htt p://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution" >http://www.matronics.com/c Please consider the environment before printing this email. This electronic mail message transmission may contain privileged, confident ial, copyrighted, or other legally protected information. If you are not t he intended recipient (even if the e-mail address above is yours), you may not use, copy or re-transmit it. If you have received this by mistake, ple ase notify us by return email, then delete. Thank you. The sender believes that this electronic mail transmission and any attachme nts were free of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. This message and its attachments could have been infected during tran smission. By reading the message and opening any attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action abou t viruses and other defects. Neither the sender nor his or her employer is liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its a ttachments. Nothing in this email shall be deemed to create a binding contract to purch ase/sell real estate. The sender of this email does not have the authority to bind a buyer or seller to a contract via written or verbal communicatio ns including, but not limited to, email communications. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp Prop diameter From: Rowland Carson On 7 Feb 2013, at 13:32, Europaul383 wrote: > I'm thinking of ordering a Woodcomp SR3000/3 for my 912S-powered XS Mono. > > The preferred prop size seems to be 1625 mm... The factory offered 1625 or 1650, and I think 1625 is best for ground clearance reasons. Anybody got any better ideas? > > I am also going for the SR3000/3 - again, unless somebody tells me I simply *must* have the 3000/3W. > > All answers gratefully received... Paul - for what it's worth, I have got the SR3000/3W in 1625mm diameter for my Rotax 912S, but the two have not yet been married together, and the airframe is a long way from completion yet, so I can't report on the success of the combination. The high twist of the W blade seems much better suited to the speed range of the Europa, and should not be causing negative thrust, as some lower-twist blades can, in certain speed ranges (David Joyce has done the sums on that). in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:43 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter From: "graeme bird" yes and the rationale was, a) David J had written somewhere that the twist on his 914 hadnt given him as much as expected (and I am on a 912S) b) they are standard blades and cheaper, and a single blade can be replaced if you ding one (rather than 2000 for three). After my ding I would have gone from W to normal IF I hadn't done all the flight testing and been through the approval process with the W. According to Andy Draper, 1625 is max on a mono due to ground clearance and then two short blades wont be enough. If anyone wants two fine 3000W blades I have them - good as new. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 45 hours g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393871#393871 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:23 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Woodcomp Prop diameter From: "Europaul383" Thanks Rowland and Graeme, Great answers and both valid in their own right (dammit!) The choices seem to be: W for the extra twist needed (although not necessarily as much as expected). Normal for lower cost & lower replacement cost. I'll get whatever you decide, MalcolmH! Thanks to everybody for all the very useful input. Paul M XS Mono 912S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393873#393873 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:24 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: off topic From: "Alan Carter" Hi ALL. Its not April the first is it. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=393880#393880 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:15:21 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Afors .com From: "Alan Carter" Hi All. How do i stop all the moving adverts that keep popping up.when i am on the AFORS WEB Page. The Web pages seem to have change to a new web page. 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