---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/14/13: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:12 AM - Re: Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. (mau11) 2. 08:39 AM - Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. (Roland) 3. 11:04 AM - Certificate of English Language proficiency (Bob Hitchcock) 4. 12:14 PM - Re: Certificate of English Language proficiency (Pete Lawless) 5. 12:51 PM - Re: Certificate of English Language proficiency (Alan Burrill) 6. 01:40 PM - Re: Certificate of English Language proficiency (Bob Hitchcock) 7. 01:49 PM - Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. (Alan Carter) 8. 01:49 PM - Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. (Alan Carter) 9. 01:50 PM - Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. (Alan Carter) 10. 02:38 PM - Certificate of English Language proficiency (Fred Klein) 11. 10:17 PM - Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. (Roland) 12. 10:23 PM - Re: Certificate of English Language proficiency (Roland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:06 AM PST US From: mau11 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. 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From: "Roland" Here it comes.... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394265#394265 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/feb_005_116.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:55 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Certificate of English Language proficiency From: Bob Hitchcock Hi Have just received my certificate of proficiency in the English language level 6. ! Just a reminder to everyone in the UK who is currently converting their licence to the the new pan European licence. Our now expired proficiency in English was granted some years ago at the beginning of the new language assessment scheme as an automatic "gift" to all native Englishmen. Under the new euro rules we have to demonstrate our ability to speak English. Do not ignore this need. It an absolute requirement to have a valid certificate when applying for the new EASA licence. You can obtain a certificate following a successful Flight test (remember to ask) or RT test, or accredited Language school or CAA approved circumstance. Will send off the paperwork tonight. All being well should then get a shiny new Euro licence. That ought to let me fly EASA and non - EASA annex ii aircraft like the Europa. Of course we can fly the Europa on the new LAPL as well, but for the me the EASA has more privileges and costs much less. But the rate varies significantly dependant on each individual case. There are pro and cons to EASA and LAPL licence variants Anyone else applied for the new licence yet? Any other known hassles? Regards Bob ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:42 PM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Certificate of English Language proficiency Only in the EU could a proficiency certificate in the English language expire! What do they think has happened - maybe you forgot how to talk English. What an absolute nonsense it all is. Pete DO NO ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Hitchcock Sent: 14 February 2013 19:04 Subject: Europa-List: Certificate of English Language proficiency Hi Have just received my certificate of proficiency in the English language level 6. ! Just a reminder to everyone in the UK who is currently converting their licence to the the new pan European licence. Our now expired proficiency in English was granted some years ago at the beginning of the new language assessment scheme as an automatic "gift" to all native Englishmen. Under the new euro rules we have to demonstrate our ability to speak English. Do not ignore this need. It an absolute requirement to have a valid certificate when applying for the new EASA licence. You can obtain a certificate following a successful Flight test (remember to ask) or RT test, or accredited Language school or CAA approved circumstance. Will send off the paperwork tonight. All being well should then get a shiny new Euro licence. That ought to let me fly EASA and non - EASA annex ii aircraft like the Europa. Of course we can fly the Europa on the new LAPL as well, but for the me the EASA has more privileges and costs much less. But the rate varies significantly dependant on each individual case. There are pro and cons to EASA and LAPL licence variants Anyone else applied for the new licence yet? Any other known hassles? Regards Bob -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Certificate of English Language proficiency From: Alan Burrill I've emailed the CAA for a copy of my records as the last flight examiner couldn't tell me what he had provided to the CAA. My CAA licence just says English! I'm still waiting for a response - two weeks so far. Alan #0303 Sent from my iPad The CAA On 14 Feb 2013, at 19:03, Bob Hitchcock wrote: > > Hi > > > Have just received my certificate of proficiency in the English language level 6. ! > > Just a reminder to everyone in the UK who is currently converting their licence to the the new pan European licence. Our now expired proficiency in English was granted some years ago at the beginning of the new language assessment scheme as an automatic "gift" to all native Englishmen. Under the new euro rules we have to demonstrate our ability to speak English. Do not ignore this need. It an absolute requirement to have a valid certificate when applying for the new EASA licence. You can obtain a certificate following a successful Flight test (remember to ask) or RT test, or accredited Language school or CAA approved circumstance. > > Will send off the paperwork tonight. All being well should then get a shiny new Euro licence. That ought to let me fly EASA and non - EASA annex ii aircraft like the Europa. > > Of course we can fly the Europa on the new LAPL as well, but for the me the EASA has more privileges and costs much less. But the rate varies significantly dependant on each individual case. There are pro and cons to EASA and LAPL licence variants > > Anyone else applied for the new licence yet? Any other known hassles? > > Regards > > Bob > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Certificate of English Language proficiency From: Bob Hitchcock Hi All I know it seems like bureaucracy gone mad, but on the paper chase of documen ts you do need it. The following may help http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_lts_Std%20Doc%2051V1_21122012.pdf Regards Bob On 14 Feb 2013, at 20:51, Alan Burrill wrote: > > I've emailed the CAA for a copy of my records as the last flight examiner c ouldn't tell me what he had provided to the CAA. My CAA licence just says En glish! > > I'm still waiting for a response - two weeks so far. > > Alan > #0303 > > Sent from my iPad > The CAA > On 14 Feb 2013, at 19:03, Bob Hitchcock wrot e: > .net> >> >> Hi >> >> >> Have just received my certificate of proficiency in the English language l evel 6. ! >> >> Just a reminder to everyone in the UK who is currently converting their l icence to the the new pan European licence. Our now expired proficiency in E nglish was granted some years ago at the beginning of the new language asse ssment scheme as an automatic "gift" to all native Englishmen. Under the ne w euro rules we have to demonstrate our ability to speak English. Do not ign ore this need. It an absolute requirement to have a valid certificate when a pplying for the new EASA licence. You can obtain a certificate following a s uccessful Flight test (remember to ask) or RT test, or accredited Language s chool or CAA approved circumstance. >> >> Will send off the paperwork tonight. All being well should then get a shi ny new Euro licence. That ought to let me fly EASA and non - EASA annex ii a ircraft like the Europa. >> >> Of course we can fly the Europa on the new LAPL as well, but for the me t he EASA has more privileges and costs much less. But the rate varies signifi cantly dependant on each individual case. There are pro and cons to EASA and LAPL licence variants >> >> Anyone else applied for the new licence yet? Any other known hassles? >> >> Regards >> >> Bob >> >> >> >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:56 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. From: "Alan Carter" Hello Roland. Well that,s interesting,, Having done 10000 hours instructing i had a reasonable idea of what a heavy landing was like, even then only the odd one may have slipped through where you really felt it. My aeroplane has had two previous owner so i don,t know what sort of life it had before me, and i did not know what you would call a heavy landing in a Home built aeroplane at that time, But now having seen some Europa landings i can say i never have made a bad landing, Don,t know if its true but SOME SAY the engine mounts will go before the undercarriage goes. Yes i love Top Gear. Clarkson for Prime Minster . And the same as you have polished the plane all over i did not see it then, but i guess it could have been there but i don,t think so. Since discovering it i have made many more landing without incident but the crease is still there. My plane is a Mono /Tri Conversion. Just out of interest don,t ask me why, I find Flapless landings are much better for the plane on rough bumpy runways, need the runway lenght, and a airfield you know, well it works for me, give it a try and let me know. Fitting clamps at the moment so the tailplane in bits. Regards Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394297#394297 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:56 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. From: "Alan Carter" Hello Roland. Well that,s interesting,, Having done 10000 hours instructing i had a reasonable idea of what a heavy landing was like, even then only the odd one may have slipped through where you really felt it. My aeroplane has had two previous owner so i don,t know what sort of life it had before me, and i did not know what you would call a heavy landing in a Home built aeroplane at that time, But now having seen some Europa landings i can say i never have made a bad landing, Don,t know if its true but SOME SAY the engine mounts will go before the undercarriage goes. Yes i love Top Gear. Clarkson for Prime Minster . And the same as you have polished the plane all over i did not see it then, but i guess it could have been there but i don,t think so. Since discovering it i have made many more landing without incident but the crease is still there. My plane is a Mono /Tri Conversion. Just out of interest don,t ask me why, I find Flapless landings are much better for the plane on rough bumpy runways, need the runway lenght, and a airfield you know, well it works for me, give it a try and let me know. Fitting clamps at the moment so the tailplane in bits. Regards Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394298#394298 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:20 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. From: "Alan Carter" Hello Roland. Well that,s interesting,, Having done 10000 hours instructing i had a reasonable idea of what a heavy landing was like, even then only the odd one may have slipped through where you really felt it. My aeroplane has had two previous owner so i don,t know what sort of life it had before me, and i did not know what you would call a heavy landing in a Home built aeroplane at that time, But now having seen some Europa landings i can say i never have made a bad landing, Don,t know if its true but SOME SAY the engine mounts will go before the undercarriage goes. Yes i love Top Gear. Clarkson for Prime Minster . And the same as you have polished the plane all over i did not see it then, but i guess it could have been there but i don,t think so. Since discovering it i have made many more landing without incident but the crease is still there. My plane is a Mono /Tri Conversion. Just out of interest don,t ask me why, I find Flapless landings are much better for the plane on rough bumpy runways, need the runway lenght, and a airfield you know, well it works for me, give it a try and let me know. Fitting clamps at the moment so the tailplane in bits. Regards Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394299#394299 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:14 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: Certificate of English Language proficiency ...almost on topic... > a Romanian news site launched a campaign designed to attract British tourists, featuring such slogans as =93We speak better English than anywhere you=92ve been in France.=94 http://www.rferl.org/content/romanian-bulgaria-ads-migration-britain/24888 013.html do not archive On Feb 14, 2013, at 1:39 PM, Bob Hitchcock wrote: > Hi All > > I know it seems like bureaucracy gone mad, but on the paper chase of documents you do need it. > > The following may help > > http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/srg_lts_Std%20Doc%2051V1_21122012.pdf > > Regards > > Bob > > On 14 Feb 2013, at 20:51, Alan Burrill wrote: > >> >> I've emailed the CAA for a copy of my records as the last flight examiner couldn't tell me what he had provided to the CAA. My CAA licence just says English! >> >> I'm still waiting for a response - two weeks so far. >> >> Alan >> #0303 >> >> Sent from my iPad >> The CAA >> On 14 Feb 2013, at 19:03, Bob Hitchcock wrote: >> >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> >>> Have just received my certificate of proficiency in the English language level 6. ! >>> >>> Just a reminder to everyone in the UK who is currently converting their licence to the the new pan European licence. Our now expired proficiency in English was granted some years ago at the beginning of the new language assessment scheme as an automatic "gift" to all native Englishmen. Under the new euro rules we have to demonstrate our ability to speak English. Do not ignore this need. It an absolute requirement to have a valid certificate when applying for the new EASA licence. You can obtain a certificate following a successful Flight test (remember to ask) or RT test, or accredited Language school or CAA approved circumstance. >>> >>> Will send off the paperwork tonight. All being well should then get a shiny new Euro licence. That ought to let me fly EASA and non - EASA annex ii aircraft like the Europa. >>> >>> Of course we can fly the Europa on the new LAPL as well, but for the me the EASA has more privileges and costs much less. But the rate varies significantly dependant on each individual case. There are pro and cons to EASA and LAPL licence variants >>> >>> Anyone else applied for the new licence yet? Any other known hassles? >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> http://===================== =====bsp; - MATRONICS W href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com==== ================ >>> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> >>> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:11 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Heavy Landing on Tri Gear. From: "Roland" Good morning Alan, my plane also had two previous owners and kit started as a Mono and was converted to a Trigear with a Rotax 914 (btw I'm also investigating on that kick back problem at low temperatures now but since I already needed a new engine there probably is some set up yet to be done), so very similar to yours in this regard. It is a complete XS although the build number is quite low. I learned, that the reference for that number is the shipping of the first stage of the kit (tailplane as far as I recall it) and maybe the builder didn't progress with it as planned (like so many others?). Despite a negative overboost experience last year I still have that "Europa grin" and today I cannot imagine to separate one day. I haven't done a complete flapless landing yet. I normally use the 18 T/O position. The runway at my homebase is 1500 metres tarmac so indeed there is no reason not to try it. Regards Roland PH-ZTI XS Trigear 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394334#394334 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:38 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Certificate of English Language proficiency From: "Roland" Hi Pete, as far as I know it doesn't expire, provided that you reach level 6. This shouldn't be a problem for you English folks (envy) :-) Regards Roland pete(at)lawless.info wrote: > Only in the EU could a proficiency certificate in the English language > expire! What do they think has happened - maybe you forgot how to talk > English. > > What an absolute nonsense it all is. > > Pete > > DO NO ARCHIVE > > -- [Wink] [Wink] [Wink] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394335#394335 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.