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1. 12:40 AM - Re: Northolt connections (JonSmith)
2. 01:26 AM - Class A or not? (Peter Jeffers)
3. 01:29 AM - Re: Damping Grease (jonathanmilbank)
4. 02:03 AM - Re: Damping Grease (Richard Wheelwright)
5. 02:07 AM - Re: Northolt connections (Alan Carter)
6. 02:23 AM - Re: Re: Northolt connections (Pete Lawless)
7. 04:44 AM - Re: Re: Damping Grease (wdaniell.longport)
8. 06:52 AM - Re: Northolt connections (Europaul383)
9. 10:29 AM - Europa fly-in this year? (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
10. 10:43 AM - Re: Northolt connections (graeme bird)
11. 11:18 AM - Re: Europa fly-in this year? (David Joyce)
12. 12:10 PM - Re: Northolt connections (Alan Carter)
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Subject: | Re: Northolt connections |
Hi! I know nothing about Northolt, but it does indeed say in Pooleys that it's
not available to civilian single engine aircraft so I guess that (unless you
know someone to slip a few quid to!) then sadly that's a show stopper in this
case.
But as a principle, being in the Heathrow class A CTR would not be a problem itself.
VFR flight is not permitted in any class A airspace but SPECIAL VFR clearance
can be requested for entry into any CTR irrespective of the class of the
CTR. This special VFR procedure is an "authorisation by ATC for a pilot to
fly within a CTR even though he is unable to comply with IFR requirements" and
can be used to fly to an airfield within, or transit a CTR. Note this applies
specifically to CTR's (Control ZONES) and NOT CTA's (anything else such as TMA's,
CTA's, airways etc).
I have several times when flying N or S past London obtained a SVFR clearance to
route through the Heathrow CTR; Burnham - Ascot seems to work well. Clearance
is often not above 1000'. You don't need to file a flight plan but you MUST
obtain clearance from Heathrow radar. It's usually empty and seems much safer
than the corridor of hell around the outside of the CTR at 2400'!
Nb. Some small airfields within the London class A CTR (eg. Fairoaks, White Waltham
etc) have specific special agreements for "Local Flying Areas" within the
CTR. Flight within these areas are still technically considered SVFR flights
but clearance from Heathrow is not required (and indeed is not obtainable).
In the case of, for example, flying to Vallance near Gatwick, SVFR is not needed
because Gatwick CTR is class D airspace so we can obtain a VFR clearance to
enter there. It's only to enter class A CTR's that SVFR clearance is relevant
and required - another example being to enter the channel islands class A CTR.
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Graham,
The fact that you have got into 'Vallence Byways', well inside Gatwick CTR
strip without being arrested is because, as Tim mentions, it is indeed in
Class D airspace from Ground to 2,500ft. Above 2,500ft over LGW (and almost
anywhere else around the London area) you would be in LTMA which is Class A.
London Heathrow CTR is definitely Class A from SFC to 2,500ft and then above
that you are in LTMA also Class A. The only way to penetrate Class A
airspace is to get a special VFR clearance. Usually this is best arranged
on the phone before getting airborne.
Hence to get to the point, if Northolt would accept you (which is very
doubtful unless your name starts with Sir..), you would then also need
special VFR clearance from London.
Pete Jeffers
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Subject: | Re: Damping Grease |
http://www.newgateonline.com/application/damping-grease/pg-44a-50gram-jar.html
This link was sent to me by the Peter mentioned above, in reply to my email asking
whether the grease is available in smaller quantities and his reply was in
the affirmative.
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Subject: | Re: Damping Grease |
Thank you for the replies,
I have managed to get a small tube from NewGateOnline.
One again Thank You.
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Richard Wheelwright
G-IRPW
90% finished with that 90% to Finish
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Subject: | Re: Northolt connections |
Hi Jon.
Nice concise article, That,s how the CAA books on Aviation Law should be written,
so its easily understandable and giving an example.
Well done.
I have flown into them all many years ago, as far as i can remember White Waltham
was like Headcorn Bumpy.
Alan
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Subject: | Re: Northolt connections |
Thanks for a sensible explanation.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JonSmith
Sent: 19 February 2013 08:40
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Northolt connections
Hi! I know nothing about Northolt, but it does indeed say in Pooleys that
it's not available to civilian single engine aircraft so I guess that
(unless you know someone to slip a few quid to!) then sadly that's a show
stopper in this case.
But as a principle, being in the Heathrow class A CTR would not be a problem
itself. VFR flight is not permitted in any class A airspace but SPECIAL VFR
clearance can be requested for entry into any CTR irrespective of the class
of the CTR. This special VFR procedure is an "authorisation by ATC for a
pilot to fly within a CTR even though he is unable to comply with IFR
requirements" and can be used to fly to an airfield within, or transit a
CTR. Note this applies specifically to CTR's (Control ZONES) and NOT CTA's
(anything else such as TMA's, CTA's, airways etc).
I have several times when flying N or S past London obtained a SVFR
clearance to route through the Heathrow CTR; Burnham - Ascot seems to work
well. Clearance is often not above 1000'. You don't need to file a flight
plan but you MUST obtain clearance from Heathrow radar. It's usually empty
and seems much safer than the corridor of hell around the outside of the CTR
at 2400'!
Nb. Some small airfields within the London class A CTR (eg. Fairoaks, White
Waltham etc) have specific special agreements for "Local Flying Areas"
within the CTR. Flight within these areas are still technically considered
SVFR flights but clearance from Heathrow is not required (and indeed is not
obtainable).
In the case of, for example, flying to Vallance near Gatwick, SVFR is not
needed because Gatwick CTR is class D airspace so we can obtain a VFR
clearance to enter there. It's only to enter class A CTR's that SVFR
clearance is relevant and required - another example being to enter the
channel islands class A CTR.
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G-TERN
Classic Mono
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Subject: | Re: Damping Grease |
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Subject: | Re: Northolt connections |
If you want to know if you can fly to anywhere, the AD2 from the AIP is the only
definitive source for what you can and cannot do. Pooley's & AFE etc are very
useful guides, and good for info such as hotels & taxis, but the AIP (as amended
by NOTAMs, also on the AIS website, btw) describe the legal conditions.
In the UK, go to www.ais.org.uk > IAIP > Aerodrome Index - Specific.
Other countries have their own - search France AIP, for example.
If the info you want is not in the AIP give 'em a call - the contact number will
be in there.
For Northolt:
EGWU AD 2.20 LOCAL TRAFFIC REGULATIONS
1 Airport Regulations
(a) Northolt is a Government Aerodrome regulated by the Ministry of Defence. No
guarantee can be given that this airfield meets the requirements of ICAO Annex
14...
...
(f) Civil single-engined fixed-wing aircraft are not permitted. Military single-
engine aircraft are permitted by prior arrangement.
HTH
Paul M
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Subject: | Europa fly-in this year? |
Will there be any Europa fly-in associated with the club's AGM this year?
For 2012, the fly-in was announced early in November 2011. So far, there is
no information about a 2013 AGM/fly-in on the club's web site, no response
to my e-mail 3 weeks ago to chairman@theeuropaclub.org , and nothing on
Popham Airfield's event website.
I am not making ready for flying across the Channel just yet, but for my
personal engagements it would be nice to know as early as possible. The
Europa AGM fly-in has a high preference.
Regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
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Subject: | Re: Northolt connections |
exactly, its connections/ RAF contacts that I was fishing for. Not people to tell
me I cant fly in airspace that I and others frequently get permission to fly
in.
I am sure if it were MOD business, I could get permission.
Thanks for all the replies though.
Incidentally the route across London City is also interesting - haven't done that
for three years or so though so it may have changed.
And shame on Northolt if they don't allow single engine aircraft in - there is
a spitfire on a podium just inside the perimeter.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 45 hours
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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Subject: | Re: Europa fly-in this year? |
Svein, I very much hope and expect so, but like you I am
awaiting a date and info.
Regards, David Joyce, club fly out/ins organiser.
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:28:51 +0100
"Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
wrote:
> Will there be any Europa fly-in associated with the
>club's AGM this year?
>
>
>
>For 2012, the fly-in was announced early in November
>2011. So far, there is
> no information about a 2013 AGM/fly-in on the club's web
>site, no response
> to my e-mail 3 weeks ago to chairman@theeuropaclub.org
>, and nothing on
> Popham Airfield's event website.
>
>
>
> I am not making ready for flying across the Channel just
>yet, but for my
> personal engagements it would be nice to know as early
>as possible. The
> Europa AGM fly-in has a high preference.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Svein
>
> LN-SKJ
>
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Subject: | Re: Northolt connections |
Hello.
No one has told you, you can,t fly or where to fly, its up to you where you fly
but it would be unwise to infringe controlled airspace because you get fined.
Its a Forum to help pilots, and i for one appreciate the time put in by others
to look up the rules and regulations and post them on the forum, and thanks to
Jon, who has done a good job in refreshed my memory, i will request a VFR clearance
next time i approach Gatwick.
Alan
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