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1. 01:40 AM - Re: Classic Foam Wings (spcialeffects)
2. 03:38 AM - Technical support (Steven Pitt)
3. 04:18 AM - Uni 92154 cloth (spcialeffects)
4. 04:19 AM - Stiff ailerons (Frank Mycroft)
5. 04:48 AM - Re: Stiff ailerons (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
6. 04:55 AM - Re: Europa fly-in this year? (Steven Pitt)
7. 05:18 AM - Re: Stiff ailerons (Peter Jeffers)
8. 05:45 AM - SV: Europa fly-in this year? (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
9. 06:20 AM - Re: Re: Classic Foam Wings (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
10. 06:25 AM - Re: Uni 92145 cloth (spcialeffects)
11. 06:44 AM - Re: Northolt connections (Europaul383)
12. 08:36 AM - Re: Northolt connections (Alan Carter)
13. 11:47 AM - Re: Re: Classic Foam Wings (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
14. 11:48 AM - Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customers? (Peter Zutrauen)
15. 12:01 PM - Re: Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customers? (Robert Borger)
16. 12:12 PM - Re: Damping Grease (Kelvin Weston)
17. 12:20 PM - Re: Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customers? (Karl Heindl)
18. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: Classic Foam Wings (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
19. 12:33 PM - Re: Technical support (Kelvin Weston)
20. 12:51 PM - Re: Re: Classic Foam Wings (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
21. 01:37 PM - Re: Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customers? (Pete)
22. 02:34 PM - Re: Classic Foam Wings (spcialeffects)
23. 02:48 PM - Re: Uni 92145 cloth (spcialeffects)
24. 04:32 PM - Re: Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customers? (David DeFord)
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Foam Wings |
The story so far, I'm unable to find the correct spec biaxial cloth and have to
go the 2 ply's of uni route to cover my wings, however I don't have the early
manual which tells you how to do it so does anyone have it that can send it to
me on a PDF? Menu thanks. Spcialeffects@aol.com
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| Subject: | Technical support |
Dear all,
Many of you will have contacted Ian Rickard in the past for technical
support and guidance, especially on the subject of modifications.
Unfortunately, Ian has been taken ill and is unlikely to be able to answer
calls or emails for a while so can I ask you to redirect your enquiries as
follows:
Bud Yerly ( budyerly@msn.com ) is the Company Tech support
Any other queries can be channelled through the Chairman emails form on the
www.theeuropaclub.org website (this will ensure that they get the priority
that they deserve). I will do my best to get you an answer or direct you to
the appropriate body.
I will let the forum have an update as soon as is practicable.
Best wishes,
Steve Pitt
Chairman
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I have found a supplier of uni 92145 cloth at a very reasonable price however they
only supply rolls of 100 meters. Now I need 75 meters so I was just wanting
to find out if anyone/how many people would be interested in the other 25. It
will be 5 per meter plus delivery or you could collect it from me, I am based
in Kent. The price from europa is 6.96+ vat and deliver so this is a big saving.
It takes the company I'm using 10 days to get the roll in then to deliver
to me so once interest is established i would say delivery time should be about
3 weeks from order. Please let me know of your interest at spcialeffects@aol.com.
Thanks Frank
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I have a classic Mono and my ailerons have become stiff. I have the
wings off and the problem is near the stick. I suspect that it is the
tufnol bushes ( CS 04 and 06) which have swollen with the damp, despite
being always hangared, but has anyone else had this problem, or found a
solution. It is still flyable, unless it is likely to get worse. A
friend put his yacht in the water in the spring (30+ years ago) and
found the helm locked solid. It was swollen tufnol bushes that was the
problem. Yachts use different material nowadays.
And while on the subject of Tufnol, are the tailplane sleeves (TP 5 and
6) also made of that material? I am struggling to remove one of the
tailplanes and am afraid to try too hard in case I dislodge the sleeve,
especially the inner one, despite doing mod 73, which in theory ought to
make that impossible. This might be another case of swollen tufnol, in
which case I will just push the tailplane back on, and perhaps try again
in the summer, although the only purpose of removing them seems to be to
ensure that they come off.
Frank Mycroft
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| Subject: | Re: Stiff ailerons |
Frank=0Atailplane sticking is probably rust or dirt in the sleeves, which a
re stainless steel. The torque tube is 4130 steel,=0Aplated to stop corrosi
on but the plating can get scratched which allows corrosion to start. There
's also the issue of=0Aswarf from manufacture getting betwee the sleeves an
d the tube.=0ATry this;=0AGet a tight fitting steel rod in the exposed pip
pin hole of torque tube, have a helper pull-steadily-on the stuck tailp
lane.=0Anow tap gently with a biggish hammer on the steel rod in the other
side of the toque tube. Slide it along the top of the tube, don't swing it.
=0A-This will -slowly move the stuck tailplane-slightly with each tap
. Keep going until it comes loose. It worked like a charm once for me.=0AGr
aham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Frank Mycroft <frank
m@clara.net>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, 20 Februar
y 2013, 12:17=0ASubject: Europa-List: Stiff ailerons=0A =0A=0A =0AI have a
classic Mono and my ailerons have become =0Astiff.- I have the wings off
and the problem is near the stick.- I =0Asuspect that it is the tufnol bu
shes ( CS 04 and 06) which have swollen with the =0Adamp, despite being alw
ays hangared,- but has anyone else had this problem, =0Aor found a soluti
on.- It is still flyable, unless it is likely to get =0Aworse.- A frien
d put his yacht in the water in the spring (30+ years ago) =0Aand found the
helm locked solid.- It was swollen tufnol bushes that was the =0Aproblem
.- Yachts use different material nowadays.=0A-=0AAnd while on the subje
ct of Tufnol, are the =0Atailplane sleeves (TP 5 and 6) also made of that m
aterial?- I am struggling =0Ato remove one of the tailplanes and am afrai
d to try too hard in case-I =0Adislodge the sleeve, especially the inner
one, despite doing mod 73, which in =0Atheory ought to make that impossible
.- This might be another case of =0Aswollen tufnol, in which case I will
just push the tailplane back on, and =0Aperhaps try again in the summer, al
though the only purpose of removing them =0Aseems to be to ensure that they
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| Subject: | Re: Europa fly-in this year? |
Sorry Svein - too much time and not enough work for me???!!!
A final decision on this has not yet been taken - we do have a couple of
options to ring the changes and will let you know asap.
Best wishes,
Steve Pitt
Chairman, Europa Club
----- Original Message -----
From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 6:28 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa fly-in this year?
Will there be any Europa fly-in associated with the club's AGM this
year?
For 2012, the fly-in was announced early in November 2011. So far,
there is no information about a 2013 AGM/fly-in on the club's web site,
no response to my e-mail 3 weeks ago to chairman@theeuropaclub.org ,
and nothing on Popham Airfield's event website.
I am not making ready for flying across the Channel just yet, but for
my personal engagements it would be nice to know as early as possible.
The Europa AGM fly-in has a high preference.
Regards,
Svein
LN-SKJ
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Hi Frank,
Whether or not the tufnel bushes CS04 and 06 are swollen and may be
associated with stiff ailerons is hard to tell from your description. As a
long time Europa inspector all I can say is that I have never come across
swollen Tufnell bushes. You will probably need to disconnect your aileron
system in different places to try to isolate where the problem is coming
from. Could be stiff bearings in the linkage that have not been lubricated.
Could be the cross connecting rod running parallel to the front of the fuel
tank actually fouling the tank. I have seen this before, due to tank
distortion. If this latter is the case then I may be able to suggest a fix.
There is no Tufnel in the tailplane area. If your tailplanes realy won't
come off it is probably due corrosion caused by poor greasing on last
assembly. The moisture gets in down the sides of the tail plane retaining
pip pin and corrosion develops, effectively welding the components together.
If you wish to give me a call on 01494 881431 (UK) we can discuss your
problems.
Pete Jeffers LAA Inspector
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Mycroft
Sent: 20 February 2013 12:18
Subject: Europa-List: Stiff ailerons
I have a classic Mono and my ailerons have become stiff. I have the wings
off and the problem is near the stick. I suspect that it is the tufnol
bushes ( CS 04 and 06) which have swollen with the damp, despite being
always hangared, but has anyone else had this problem, or found a solution.
It is still flyable, unless it is likely to get worse. A friend put his
yacht in the water in the spring (30+ years ago) and found the helm locked
solid. It was swollen tufnol bushes that was the problem. Yachts use
different material nowadays.
And while on the subject of Tufnol, are the tailplane sleeves (TP 5 and 6)
also made of that material? I am struggling to remove one of the tailplanes
and am afraid to try too hard in case I dislodge the sleeve, especially the
inner one, despite doing mod 73, which in theory ought to make that
impossible. This might be another case of swollen tufnol, in which case I
will just push the tailplane back on, and perhaps try again in the summer,
although the only purpose of removing them seems to be to ensure that they
come off.
Frank Mycroft
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| Subject: | Europa fly-in this year? |
>A final decision on this has not yet been taken - we do have a couple of
options to ring the changes and will let you know asap.
Thank you, Steve!
Best regards,
Svein
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Foam Wings |
A pdf copy of the "Classic" manual can be found at the font of all
Europa knowledge - The Europa Club website.
Here is a link to the "Wing Build" section:
http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Wing-Build.pdf
If you're not already a member, you might wish to consider joining as
there is a huge pool of expertise amongst the members ....... and
they're nice people!
Happy building
Nigel
On 20/02/2013 09:39, spcialeffects wrote:
>
> The story so far, I'm unable to find the correct spec biaxial cloth and have
to go the 2 ply's of uni route to cover my wings, however I don't have the early
manual which tells you how to do it so does anyone have it that can send it
to me on a PDF? Menu thanks. Spcialeffects@aol.com
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394642#394642
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Uni 92145 cloth |
Things have now changed and I have bought 50 meters from a fellow builder but still
need 25 meters so if anyone has 25 meters of uni for sale please contact
me. Spcialeffects@aol.com. Thanks frank
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| Subject: | Re: Northolt connections |
Can I ask where the idea that the CAA will fine you as soon as look at you (or
your radar trace!) comes from? Has anybody here been fined, or know anybody who
has? Or any sort of enforcement action?
I work for a private jet operator as my day job, and a flying school at weekends;
and I have been involved in 3 airspace infringement investigations (not me!)
In all of them the CAA simply asked for an explanation of events and advised
more care in the future. I have heard of additional training being advised for
other cases I was not involved in.
They have a clear Enforcement Policy which is available for all to see on their website - http://www.caa.co.uk/enforcement.
In it they talk about "just culture" and "proportionate and risk-based approach"
... I have found this to be true in any dealings I have had with them.
The CAA will not punish a genuine lapse of concentration of lack of expertise -
but they will look unfavourably on wilful stupidity or blatant flouting of the
law.
I have found them to be slow, inflexible and frustratingly uncompromising, but
not vindictive or petty - anybody have any other experiences?
Paul M
383
XS Mono 912S
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| Subject: | Re: Northolt connections |
Hello Paul.
I am not going into great detail, More important to me is to defend the time and
effort of others who have contributed to this topic and made good sense.
Not in detail,but i went up to the LAA rally, my first visit, some CAA representatives
where talking to the public,
I asked two question, one on infringing controlled airspace,and the other
on locator beacons,
I said if i clip the corner of controlled airspace inadvertently, ie just by a
mile or two, would i be in trouble,
Answer briefly and i can,t remember the numbers given.
He said all my track would have been recorded on radar, and airlines on approach
have a separation distance from invading traffic, and if a plane is seen entering
(infringing the airspace)while an airline is on approach he would have
to instruct a go around.
I said even if i was only just inside, He said we have no way of telling what you
are going to do. That,s it right or wrong that,s what the man told me,
not many prosecuted but they intend to prosecute more in the future.
I very much appreciate those who have posted in on VFR,SVFR ete , i read the forum,
and that was all good useful stuff.
My Other Question to the CAA.
I want to carry a locator beacon, and switch it on if i have engine failure,
or EFATO, no radio at the time, and then make a successfully landing, With i be
in trouble from the CAA. as the rescue services may be on there way.
NO
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Foam Wings |
My classic manual is issue 2 and dated 9th December 1994 and that makes
reference to Bi-Axial. I seem to recall that the prototype was
constructed using uni, but all production build instructions refer to
Bi-Axial.
Either way, using equal weight Uni is perfectly acceptable, just pay
attention to the orientation of the cloth (+/-45 deg.) particularly as
you roll over the leading edge. A good tip is to gently mark the
orientation on the foam with a felt marker to give you something to
follow (I may be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs here).
It will probably be easier to work with uni than the originally
specified Bi-axial though I would recommend working with a helper to
keep you supplied with regular batches of freshly mixed resin. It's a
big lay-up and must be done in one go. Another tip not referenced in the
manual is to use peel ply over the whole surface, it will pay dividends
when you come to fill the finished wing (another joyous task). Last tip
is NOT to over sand the sharp profile of the lower leading edge foam
blocks. It is intentional and is critical to the stall characteristics
of the finished wing.
These XS boys don't know what they've missed ;-)
Nigel
On 20/02/2013 14:28, spcialeffects@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Nigel thanks for the reply. I am a member of about two years now
> but the wing build chapter I was after was the one before that one
> which uses uni to skin the wings and not the biaxial cloth. Thanks all
> the same
>
> Sent from my HTC
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk" <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Cc: "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Classic Foam Wings
> Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2013 14:19
>
>
> A pdf copy of the "Classic" manual can be found at the font of all
> Europa knowledge - The Europa Club website.
>
> Here is a link to the "Wing Build" section:
> http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Wing-Build.pdf
>
> If you're not already a member, you might wish to consider joining as
> there is a huge pool of expertise amongst the members ....... and
> they're nice people!
>
> Happy building
>
> Nigel
>
> On 20/02/2013 09:39, spcialeffects wrote:
> <spcialeffects@aol.com>
> >
> > The story so far, I'm unable to find the correct spec biaxial cloth
> and have to go the 2 ply's of uni route to cover my wings, however I
> don't have the early manual which tells you how to do it so does
> anyone have it that can send it to me on a PDF? Menu thanks.
> Spcialeffects@aol.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394642#394642
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customers? |
If anyone else on the list has tried to order from them, I'm just wondering
if anyone else has received this reply?
Cheers and thanks,
Pete
A239
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| Subject: | Re: Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customers? |
Peter,
That's strange. I guess I'm OK since I've been ordering from them for
years.
If there's something they have that you can find elsewhere let me know
and I'll do my best to get it to you.
Blue skies & tailwinds,
Bob Borger
Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop.
Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208-5331
Cel: 817-992-1117
rlborger@mac.com
On Feb 20, 2013, at 1:47 PM, Peter Zutrauen <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
wrote:
If anyone else on the list has tried to order from them, I'm just
wondering if anyone else has received this reply?
Cheers and thanks,
Pete
A239
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| Subject: | Re: Damping Grease |
All
I am about to assemble my nose gear and shimmy damper and intend purchasing some
of the damping grease from Newgateonline as recommended.
I can find no mention of this damping grease in any Europa documentation or indeed
on the Europa Club website so I'm assuming it has come about from experience
during operations. I did find some old threads on this forum which provided
some background to it's use.
However, before I rush out and purchase, I have a few questions:
Mod 59 installed an O ring to prevent grease getting onto the friction plate but
am I right in thinking that this damping grease is used between the shimmy damper
friction plate and the nose leg bearing housing?
Also, have owners used it to fill the fork spindle bearing housing via the grease
nipple?
The build manual has no mention of the grease to use in the spindle housing, so
I guess some general purpose Aeroshell No 5 would be OK?
Many thanks.
--------
Regards
Kelv Weston
Kit 497
kelv@kdweston.biz
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| Subject: | Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customers? |
Hi Pete=2C
I used to get some parts from them=2C but when I tried again about a couple
of years ago=2C I was informed that they no longeraccept non-US credit car
ds and only ship t a US address. I have an address but not the card. A numb
er of other companies have the same ruling. No reason was given=2C but it p
robably has to do with security. You may remember that certain politicians
and media people claimed that the 9/11 hijackers came from Canada.If Bob ca
n get the items for you=2C then that would be one good solution. Bud helped
me out in one case.I now use Myus.com as a mailing service.
Cheers=2C
Karl
From: peterz@zutrasoft.com
Subject: Europa-List: Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customers
?
If anyone else on the list has tried to order from them=2C I'm just wonderi
ng if anyone else has received this reply?
Cheers and thanks=2C
Pete
A239
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Foam Wings |
Nigel=0AI built two or three sets of wings, all with UNI. Imho much better
than biaxial in this-application. For some reason my pages of the wing co
nstruction are missing!=0A=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A_______________________________
_=0A From: "nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk" <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>=0ATo
: "europa-list@matronics.com" <europa-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Wednesda
y, 20 February 2013, 19:46=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Classic Foam Win
nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>=0A=0A=0AMy classic manual is issue 2 and dated
9th December 1994 and that makes=0Areference to Bi-Axial. I seem to recall
that the prototype was=0Aconstructed using uni, but all production build i
nstructions refer to=0ABi-Axial.=0AEither way, using equal weight Uni is pe
rfectly acceptable, just pay=0Aattention to the orientation of the cloth (+
/-45 deg.) particularly as=0Ayou roll over the leading edge. A good tip is
to gently mark the=0Aorientation on the foam with a felt marker to give you
something to=0Afollow (I may be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs here)
.=0AIt will probably be easier to work with uni than the originally=0Aspeci
fied Bi-axial though I would recommend working with a helper to=0Akeep you
supplied with regular batches of freshly mixed resin. It's a=0Abig lay-up a
nd must be done in one go. Another tip not referenced in the=0Amanual is to
use peel ply over the whole surface, it will pay dividends=0Awhen you come
to fill the finished wing (another joyous task). Last tip=0Ais NOT to over
sand the sharp profile of the lower leading edge foam=0Ablocks. It is inte
ntional and is critical to the stall characteristics=0Aof the finished wing
.=0A=0AThese XS boys don't know what they've missed ;-)=0A=0ANigel=0A=0AOn
20/02/2013 14:28, spcialeffects@aol.com wrote:=0A> Hi Nigel thanks for the
reply. I am a member of about two years now=0A> but the wing build chapter
I was after was the one before that one=0A> which uses uni to skin the wing
s and not the biaxial cloth. Thanks all=0A> the same=0A>=0A> Sent from my H
TC=0A>=0A> ----- Reply message -----=0A> From: "nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk
" <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>=0A> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>=0A> Cc:
"spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com>=0A> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Clas
sic Foam Wings=0A> Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2013 14:19=0A>=0A>=0A> A pdf copy of
the "Classic" manual can be found at the font of all=0A> Europa knowledge -
The Europa Club website.=0A>=0A> Here is a link to the "Wing Build" sectio
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df=0A>=0A> If you're not already a member, you might wish to consider joini
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r, I'm unable to find the correct spec biaxial cloth=0A> and have to go the
2 ply's of uni route to cover my wings, however I=0A> don't have the early
manual which tells you how to do it so does=0A> anyone have it that can se
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| Subject: | Re: Technical support |
Steve
Sorry to hear that Ian is unwell, please pass on my best wishes for a speedy return
to good health.
I am one of those that have contacted Ian in the past for technical support and
guidance and he has always gone that extra mile to try and help me in any way
he can. Whether chatting by email or face to face at one of the Europa Club
events his enthusiasm for all things Europa is obvious - just what a successful
club needs.
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Regards
Kelv Weston
Kit 497
kelv@kdweston.biz
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Foam Wings |
Hi Graham,
Don't forget that back then, each of the three construction "Modules"
had its own manual. I bet you were looking at the first "Tailplane"
manual that for some reason also includes some of the fuse instructions!
Nigel
On 20/02/2013 20:22, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote:
> Nigel
> I built two or three sets of wings, all with UNI. Imho much better
> than biaxial in this application. For some reason my pages of the wing
> construction are missing!
>
> Graham
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* "nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk" <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
> *To:* "europa-list@matronics.com" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 20 February 2013, 19:46
> *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Re: Classic Foam Wings
>
> <mailto:nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>" <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk
> <mailto:nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>>
>
>
> My classic manual is issue 2 and dated 9th December 1994 and that makes
> reference to Bi-Axial. I seem to recall that the prototype was
> constructed using uni, but all production build instructions refer to
> Bi-Axial.
> Either way, using equal weight Uni is perfectly acceptable, just pay
> attention to the orientation of the cloth (+/-45 deg.) particularly as
> you roll over the leading edge. A good tip is to gently mark the
> orientation on the foam with a felt marker to give you something to
> follow (I may be teaching my grandmother to suck eggs here).
> It will probably be easier to work with uni than the originally
> specified Bi-axial though I would recommend working with a helper to
> keep you supplied with regular batches of freshly mixed resin. It's a
> big lay-up and must be done in one go. Another tip not referenced in the
> manual is to use peel ply over the whole surface, it will pay dividends
> when you come to fill the finished wing (another joyous task). Last tip
> is NOT to over sand the sharp profile of the lower leading edge foam
> blocks. It is intentional and is critical to the stall characteristics
> of the finished wing.
>
> These XS boys don't know what they've missed ;-)
>
> Nigel
>
> On 20/02/2013 14:28, spcialeffects@aol.com
> <mailto:spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote:
> > Hi Nigel thanks for the reply. I am a member of about two years now
> > but the wing build chapter I was after was the one before that one
> > which uses uni to skin the wings and not the biaxial cloth. Thanks all
> > the same
> >
> > Sent from my HTC
> >
> > ----- Reply message -----
> > From: "nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk
> <mailto:nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>" <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk
> <mailto:nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>
> > Cc: "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com
> <mailto:spcialeffects@aol.com>>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Classic Foam Wings
> > Date: Wed, Feb 20, 2013 14:19
> >
> >
> > A pdf copy of the "Classic" manual can be found at the font of all
> > Europa knowledge - The Europa Club website.
> >
> > Here is a link to the "Wing Build" section:
> > http://www.theeuropaclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Wing-Build.pdf
> >
> > If you're not already a member, you might wish to consider joining as
> > there is a huge pool of expertise amongst the members ....... and
> > they're nice people!
> >
> > Happy building
> >
> > Nigel
> >
> > On 20/02/2013 09:39, spcialeffects wrote:
> > <spcialeffects@aol.com <mailto:spcialeffects@aol.com>>
> > >
> > > The story so far, I'm unable to find the correct spec biaxial cloth
> > and have to go the 2 ply's of uni route to cover my wings, however I
> > don't have the early manual which tells you how to do it so does
> > anyone have it that can send it to me on a PDF? Menu thanks.
> > Spcialeffects@aol.com <mailto:Spcialeffects@aol.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394642#394642
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customers? |
Thanks Karl and Bob for the offer - much appreciated!
I think I have found the stuff locally so no need to pursue it further right
now, but they have everything in one spot - it would make it much easier :
-)
I was really surprised to get a terse email from them after submitting my on
line order (with full cc info).
Thanks again!
Pete
On Feb 20, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
> Hi Pete,
>
> I used to get some parts from them, but when I tried again about a couple o
f years ago, I was informed that they no longer
> accept non-US credit cards and only ship t a US address. I have an address
but not the card. A number of other companies have the same ruling. No reas
on was given, but it probably has to do with security. You may remember that
certain politicians and media people claimed that the 9/11 hijackers came f
rom Canada.
> If Bob can get the items for you, then that would be one good solution. Bu
d helped me out in one case.
> I now use Myus.com as a mailing service.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Karl
>
>
>
>
> From: peterz@zutrasoft.com
> Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 14:47:49 -0500
> Subject: Europa-List: Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customer
s?
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
> If anyone else on the list has tried to order from them, I'm just wonderin
g if anyone else has received this reply?
>
> Cheers and thanks,
> Pete
> A239
>
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Foam Wings |
So, since I have been looking into this I have worked out that the first few kits
supplied ( not sure how many but at least 6 ) were constructed ( wings ) using
uni cloth instead off the biaxial. This is one page out of that manual, supplied
by Rodger with kit number 6, that shows the lay up using uni
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| Subject: | Re: Uni 92145 cloth |
Offer above still stands any interest pm me or email thanks
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| Subject: | Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customers? |
Pete,
I got a message like this from them a few years ago (after being a customer
for many years). When I tried again a short time later, everything worked
normally, so it may just be a case of temporary confusion in their software.
Dave DeFord
N135TD
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Zutrauen
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:48 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Mcmaster Carr - no longer shipping to 'new' customers?
If anyone else on the list has tried to order from them, I'm just wondering
if anyone else has received this reply?
Cheers and thanks,
Pete
A239
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