Europa-List Digest Archive

Fri 02/22/13


Total Messages Posted: 25



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     1. 12:41 AM - Parts required panel shroud (DAVID JOYCE)
     2. 01:38 AM - fuel flow and return line status (glenn rainey)
     3. 01:46 AM - Re: Parts required panel shroud (David Joyce)
     4. 02:50 AM - Garmin 495 help (wdaniell.longport)
     5. 03:00 AM - Re: Garmin 495 help (nigel henry)
     6. 03:20 AM - Re: Parts required panel shroud (Rowland Carson)
     7. 03:52 AM - Rotax E-module temp-testing (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
     8. 04:47 AM - Re: Parts required panel shroud (Steve T)
     9. 05:50 AM - Re: Parts required panel shroud (Pete Lawless)
    10. 06:04 AM - SV: fuel flow and return line status (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
    11. 06:41 AM - Re: Parts required panel shroud (Brad Shafer)
    12. 07:19 AM - Re: SV: fuel flow and return line status (gtagr)
    13. 08:06 AM - SV: Re: SV: fuel flow and return line status (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
    14. 08:35 AM - Re: Parts required panel shroud (Rowland Carson)
    15. 09:08 AM - SV: Re: SV: fuel flow and return line status (gtagr)
    16. 09:49 AM - Re: SV: fuel flow and return line status (Raimo Toivio)
    17. 11:01 AM - Classic aileron (spcialeffects)
    18. 11:46 AM - Re: Classic aileron (Alan Burrill)
    19. 11:58 AM - Re: Classic aileron (spcialeffects)
    20. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Classic aileron (houlihan)
    21. 12:32 PM - Re: Re: Classic aileron (Alan Burrill)
    22. 12:34 PM - Re: Classic aileron (spcialeffects)
    23. 12:49 PM - Re: Garmin 495 help (William Daniell)
    24. 01:46 PM - Re: Garmin 495 help (William Daniell)
    25. 02:18 PM - Re: Classic aileron (spcialeffects)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:41:59 AM PST US
    From: DAVID JOYCE <stranfaer@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Parts required panel shroud
    =0A=0AHaving recently looked at the-possibility of-selling-my aircraf t, only to be messed around and insulted-by time wasters and dreamers and people looking for a free hours flying (you would all be-surprised-at how many arm chair experts are out there) I have now decided to treat her t o a new Dynon engine management system and do what she does best and "FLY". =0A-=0ADoes anyone have a spare instrument panel for a classic or a perha ps cad computer design that I can get a CNC blanking plate made up for my c urrent shroud and my new instruments?=0A-=0A-=0A=0AMy best regards to a ll fellow Europa-brethren-/ owners=0A-=0ADavid Joyce G-BXGG=0AThe oth er one=0A-=0ASent to you from David Joyce=0Awww.eastmidsspas.com


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    Time: 01:38:17 AM PST US
    Subject: fuel flow and return line status
    From: glenn rainey <nimbusaviation@YAHOO.COM>
    In respect of recent posts on omitting the return fuel line transducer - a related issue is what is happening in that line. We had been operating 'merrily' for maybe a year or more with ZERO return flow due to unknown complete blockage of FS02 restrictor. Not an ideal situation! After this was discovered during our belated 5 year swap-out of all the hose, we got to thinking that monitoring flow in this line would be a good idea, if perhaps the non-zero rate from return transducer could be displayed, or checked in preflight? >From rotax agent comes an easier solution - watch for a rapid drop in fuel pressure after engine shutdown, not seen if FS02 is blocked. Apologies to all who already know this. Just yesterday visited with former europa man Jos Okhuijsen in remote N. Finland - thanks for your hospitality Jos, and for educating me some more! Glenn Rainey G-OJHL Cumbernauld, Scotland


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    Time: 01:46:18 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Parts required panel shroud
    David, I believe there is a standard mod for putting in removable panels, which can be made of alloy or ply coated in bid. If you make up panel patterns in card or paper it is easy enough to play around with the lay out and then form an accurate template for the actual panels. Regards, David (Joyce - the original one!), G- XSDJ On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:41:18 +0000 (GMT) DAVID JOYCE <stranfaer@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Having recently looked at thepossibility ofsellingmy >aircraft, only to be messed around and insultedby time >wasters and dreamers and people looking for a free hours >flying (you would all besurprisedat how many arm chair >experts are out there) I have now decided to treat her to >a new Dynon engine management system and do what she does >best and "FLY". > > Does anyone have a spare instrument panel for a classic >or a perhaps cad computer design that I can get a CNC >blanking plate made up for my current shroud and my new >instruments? > > > > My best regards to all fellow Europabrethren/ owners > > David Joyce G-BXGG > The other one > > Sent to you from David Joyce > www.eastmidsspas.com


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    Time: 02:50:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Garmin 495 help
    From: "wdaniell.longport" <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
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    Time: 03:00:08 AM PST US
    From: nigel henry <gbupa@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Garmin 495 help
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    Time: 03:20:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Parts required panel shroud
    From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
    On 22 Feb 2013, at 08:41, DAVID JOYCE wrote: > Does anyone have a spare instrument panel for a classic or a perhaps cad computer design that I can get a CNC blanking plate made up for my current shroud and my new instruments? David - Europa supply a blank panel (as IM01M-NH, although that seems to have disappeared from the current list) and also one pre-punched with the "standard" six-pack instrument holes (as IM01M at 39). See <http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/parts/> and choose approved optional mods. I have drawn up the panel in a CAD package and can let you have a .DXF file if that would be of interest. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson


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    Time: 03:52:37 AM PST US
    From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
    Subject: Rotax E-module temp-testing
    The attached has just been received from the Scandinavian Rotax service agent. Apologies if well known already! Regards, Svein LN-SKJ


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    Time: 04:47:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Parts required panel shroud
    From: Steve T <aircraftspecialty@gmail.com>
    Aircraft Specialty offers Cnc instrument panel cutting services, powdercoati ng and labeling of panels. Go to www.aircraftspecialty.com for more info. Have a great day Steve Sent from my iPhone On Feb 22, 2013, at 2:41, DAVID JOYCE <stranfaer@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Having recently looked at the possibility of selling my aircraft, only to b e messed around and insulted by time wasters and dreamers and people looking for a free hours flying (you would all be surprised at how many arm chair e xperts are out there) I have now decided to treat her to a new Dynon engine m anagement system and do what she does best and "FLY". > > Does anyone have a spare instrument panel for a classic or a perhaps cad c omputer design that I can get a CNC blanking plate made up for my current sh roud and my new instruments? > > > My best regards to all fellow Europa brethren / owners > > David Joyce G-BXGG > The other one > > Sent to you from David Joyce > www.eastmidsspas.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 05:50:09 AM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: Parts required panel shroud
    Hi Europa have a range of precut aluminium panels for the classic instrument panel. I think they are on the Europa website somewhere. Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce Sent: 22 February 2013 09:46 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Parts required panel shroud David, I believe there is a standard mod for putting in removable panels, which can be made of alloy or ply coated in bid. If you make up panel patterns in card or paper it is easy enough to play around with the lay out and then form an accurate template for the actual panels. Regards, David (Joyce - the original one!), G- XSDJ On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:41:18 +0000 (GMT) DAVID JOYCE <stranfaer@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Having recently looked at thepossibility ofsellingmy >aircraft, only to be messed around and insultedby time >wasters and dreamers and people looking for a free hours >flying (you would all besurprisedat how many arm chair >experts are out there) I have now decided to treat her to >a new Dynon engine management system and do what she does >best and "FLY". > > Does anyone have a spare instrument panel for a classic >or a perhaps cad computer design that I can get a CNC >blanking plate made up for my current shroud and my new >instruments? > > > > My best regards to all fellow Europabrethren/ owners > > David Joyce G-BXGG > The other one > > Sent to you from David Joyce > www.eastmidsspas.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 06:04:48 AM PST US
    From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
    Subject: fuel flow and return line status
    I fail to understand (one of my inherent characteristics, some might say!) how one flow transducer in the supply line to a Rotax 912-type engine can measure the engine's consumption, PROVIDED that the return line is OPEN. As has been covered on this List previously, the return flow through the factory-supplied restrictor is substantial - as it should be, to serve the intended purpose. Adjusting the K-factor to compensate for the return flow will give correct net flow (= consumption) at only ONE specific flow rate: The flow rate at which the K-factor has been calibrated. If the instrument also has a zero offset adjustment (which the E.I. instrument does not have), one flow transducer in the supply line would work, PROVIDED that the return rate is constant, regardless of the fuel pressure and flow rate past the return line off-take - which it is not. The K-factor is only a multiplier, telling the electronic logic how much fuel is going through with each full rotation of the flow transducer's paddle wheel. It cannot cause any flow subtraction to compensate for the returned fuel (even if the return flow rate were constant). If plotted in a graph, the flow rate vs. transducer output is always a straight line going through zero, where the K-factor sets the line's inclination. For my 912 ULS, I have GRT's digital engine monitoring system (great!), which has one fuel flow input channel. I could therefore read the total flow going to the engine. No way of telling how much went to the carbs and how much returned to the tank, however. Only then did I realize how much fueI is actually returned. I fitted a shut-off valve in the return line (NOT recommended - may be bad if you forget to re-open!!) to determine the consumption of the engine at various power settings during the test flying period, for fuel range calculations. The valve was subsequently removed, and I fitted the E.I. instrument with two flow sensors and the associated differential module (which subtracts electronically the return flow count from the supply count). In my opinion, one single transducer will serve only one useful purpose: With the engine stopped and the electric feed pump running, one can check that the return line is open ............ The E.I. with two transducers and diff. module shows zero flow (only net flow is displayed) when priming the engine with the electric pump before start. Total flow is returned. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ


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    Time: 06:41:44 AM PST US
    From: "Brad Shafer" <bshafer708@gmail.com>
    Subject: Parts required panel shroud
    Hi everyone, I used Front Panel Express (www.frontpanelexpress.com). They have a design program that is easy to use or will take CAD files as input. You can then price out the panel and order right from the program. My main panel was about $125 USD but a lot of that came from the engraved written on the panel. The program breaks down all the costs so you can add and remove what you need to keep the cost in line. You can also pick the material and thickness. I attached a picture of my panel in the program so you can get an idea. If you want any of my design files to use as a starting port, let me know. Brad A251 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 7:49 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Parts required panel shroud <mailto:pete@lawless.info> pete@lawless.info> Hi Europa have a range of precut aluminium panels for the classic instrument panel. I think they are on the Europa website somewhere. Pete -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [ <mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com> mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce Sent: 22 February 2013 09:46 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Parts required panel shroud --> < <mailto:davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> David, I believe there is a standard mod for putting in removable panels, which can be made of alloy or ply coated in bid. If you make up panel patterns in card or paper it is easy enough to play around with the lay out and then form an accurate template for the actual panels. Regards, David (Joyce - the original one!), G- XSDJ On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 08:41:18 +0000 (GMT) DAVID JOYCE < <mailto:stranfaer@btinternet.com> stranfaer@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Having recently looked at the possibility of selling my aircraft, only >to be messed around and insulted by time wasters and dreamers and >people looking for a free hours flying (you would all be surprised at >how many arm chair experts are out there) I have now decided to treat >her to a new Dynon engine management system and do what she does best >and "FLY". > > Does anyone have a spare instrument panel for a classic or a perhaps >cad computer design that I can get a CNC blanking plate made up for my >current shroud and my new instruments? > > > > My best regards to all fellow Europa brethren / owners > > David Joyce G-BXGG > The other one > > Sent to you from David Joyce > <http://www.eastmidsspas.com> www.eastmidsspas.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 07:19:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: SV: fuel flow and return line status
    From: "gtagr" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
    Hello Svein, I created the original fuel flow SM12209 Modification and asked Ian Rickard to get it 'passed' for use on my TriGear, through the LAA. I also have a 912S and have been using this MOD since early 2009 - my a/c has completed about 150hrs with it fitted - including about 35hr around France and Italy on one of the Europa Club trips. I have a single FloScan 201A sensor and a Stratomaster Infinity readout unit combination installed. Over the time of its use I have calibrated it by adjusting the readout units K factor and conclude that it is accurate within about a 5% error. I agree that the flow rates change with engine speed but propose that the average accuracy is quite good enough to keep track of useage and cross-correlate with my two other forms of fuel quantity monitoring, a capacitance fuel probe and the sight-glass tube arrangement - though the latter does not seem to be very useful in the air due to ram-effect air pushing down the fuel level in the tube. I've fitted my sensor in the ine bwtween the electric boost pump outlet and the mechanical pump inlet. Clive. :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394802#394802


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    Time: 08:06:14 AM PST US
    From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
    Subject: Re: SV: fuel flow and return line status
    Hello Clive, Impossible to know without actually measuring, but perhaps our restrictors have different openings? Probably not, though. On longer flights and with the engine (I assume) operating at or near the same power each time, I realize that the error in total consumption for the flight may not be too large. The consumption at idle and taxiing is of relatively short duration, so that even though the indicated flow rate may be quite wrong during ground operations, it does not have a big influence percentagewise on the displayed total consumption. Regards, Svein


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    Time: 08:35:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Parts required panel shroud
    From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
    On 22 Feb 2013, at 12:03, Paul Mansfield wrote: > If you're happy to share your .DXF I'd be grateful for a copy Paul - and anyone else who wants it - you can get my CAD files at the following URLs. Your browser will probably download them automatically if you click on the link, or copy & paste it into your browser address panel. NB - case is significant! I've uploaded several versions because many CAD programs will not play with every revision of the AutoCad file specs. If (f'rinstance) the spline forming the top edge of the panel does not appear when you open the file in your own CAD package, try a different version. http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/tempo/main_panel_r12.DXF http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/tempo/main_panel_r14.dxf http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/tempo/main_panel_r2007.dxf http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/tempo/main_panel.dwg I can also, given a bit more time, put up copies of my own panel design with holes etc. In the end, I didn't use it, deciding it was easier to buy the pre-punched panel from Europa. I think that was not available when I started drawing up my own ideas, or maybe I thought I could do better! I have also recently moved my build log from my old ClaraNET host to a new one. You can find the whole thing starting at: http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/aviation/europa_435/index.php in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson


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    Time: 09:08:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: SV: Re: SV: fuel flow and return line status
    From: "gtagr" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
    Hi Svein, I have the std restrictor, so I guess its the same as yours. I think that compared to the 'average' K factor figure for the actual fuel flow rate at taxi and under full power are probably out, but for an 'average' flight - which accounts for my airframe drag, prop type (I've a fixed pitch warpdrive) and the power settings I tend to use, the average useage stacks up (now) with the observed consumption based upon measured full tank and bowser meter quantities to refill it. I do get a readout of about 9lit/hr at idle and just over 20 at full power - and a readout of around 15lit/hr in the cruise around 115kts. I simply dial in the known quantity in the tank into my Stratomaster at the beginning of each flight (if I've added fuel). I did try to get it to sense the actual quantity in the tank using the fuel probe, but never got it to work. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394811#394811


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    Time: 09:49:27 AM PST US
    From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
    Subject: Re: fuel flow and return line status
    Hi Svein, Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no> I fail to understand how one flow transducer in the supply line to a Rotax 912-type engine can measure the engine's consumption, PROVIDED that the return line is OPEN. it can, if it is located AFTER a returnline T-connection. A fuel line after and before a transducer must be straight about 100 mm. I agree you, it is hard to understand how it should work alone between the el and mec pumps (if the return line is really open). Look at an attachment. This set up works perfectly - very accurate. If I read (Flight Data Systems FC-10) I have used 47,8 liters, I will refuel just that amount less couple of deciliters (I have adjusted a K-factor such a way that it is a bit on a safer side). BTW I calibrated it during the several flights with Kim Prout when he was he last spring. Cheers and see you, Raimo OH-XRT -----Alkuper=E4inen viesti----- From: Sidsel & Svein Johnsen Sent: Friday, February 22, 2013 4:04 PM Subject: SV: Europa-List: fuel flow and return line status Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no> I fail to understand (one of my inherent characteristics, some might say!) how one flow transducer in the supply line to a Rotax 912-type engine can measure the engine's consumption, PROVIDED that the return line is OPEN. As has been covered on this List previously, the return flow through the factory-supplied restrictor is substantial - as it should be, to serve the intended purpose. Adjusting the K-factor to compensate for the return flow will give correct net flow (= consumption) at only ONE specific flow rate: The flow rate at which the K-factor has been calibrated. If the instrument also has a zero offset adjustment (which the E.I. instrument does not have), one flow transducer in the supply line would work, PROVIDED that the return rate is constant, regardless of the fuel pressure and flow rate past the return line off-take - which it is not. The K-factor is only a multiplier, telling the electronic logic how much fuel is going through with each full rotation of the flow transducer's paddle wheel. It cannot cause any flow subtraction to compensate for the returned fuel (even if the return flow rate were constant). If plotted in a graph, the flow rate vs. transducer output is always a straight line going through zero, where the K-factor sets the line's inclination. For my 912 ULS, I have GRT's digital engine monitoring system (great!), which has one fuel flow input channel. I could therefore read the total flow going to the engine. No way of telling how much went to the carbs and how much returned to the tank, however. Only then did I realize how much fueI is actually returned. I fitted a shut-off valve in the return line (NOT recommended - may be bad if you forget to re-open!!) to determine the consumption of the engine at various power settings during the test flying period, for fuel range calculations. The valve was subsequently removed, and I fitted the E.I. instrument with two flow sensors and the associated differential module (which subtracts electronically the return flow count from the supply count). In my opinion, one single transducer will serve only one useful purpose: With the engine stopped and the electric feed pump running, one can check that the return line is open ............ The E.I. with two transducers and diff. module shows zero flow (only net flow is displayed) when priming the engine with the electric pump before start. Total flow is returned. Regards, Svein LN-SKJ browse Un/Subscription, FAQ, http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List Forums! List Admin.


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    Time: 11:01:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Classic aileron
    From: "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com>
    Could someone just confirm for me if what I am thinking is correct please. The XS ailerons come in two sections but the older classic ailerons came as one ( once layed up will be 1.4 meters long ). Is this correct? Many thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394818#394818


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    Time: 11:46:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Classic aileron
    From: Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk>
    My Classic certainly came as described. Alan #0303 Sent from my iPad On 22 Feb 2013, at 19:00, "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote: > > Could someone just confirm for me if what I am thinking is correct please. The XS ailerons come in two sections but the older classic ailerons came as one ( once layed up will be 1.4 meters long ). Is this correct? Many thanks > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394818#394818 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 11:58:17 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Classic aileron
    From: "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com>
    Hi Alan can you please confirm, it came as 1 or 2 pieces? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394824#394824


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    Time: 12:22:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Classic aileron
    From: houlihan <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk>
    I can confirm that the classic aileron is made using one blue foam core, \\\\\\\\\\from memory some extra work is / was required on the inboard closeout. Tim On 22 February 2013 19:57, spcialeffects <spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote: > > Hi Alan can you please confirm, it came as 1 or 2 pieces? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394824#394824 > >


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    Time: 12:32:43 PM PST US
    From: Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Classic aileron
    I piece per aileron. Alan Sent from my iPad On 22 Feb 2013, at 20:21, houlihan <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > I can confirm that the classic aileron is made using one blue foam core, \ \\\\\\\\\from memory some extra work is / was required on the inboard closeo ut. > > Tim > > > On 22 February 2013 19:57, spcialeffects <spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote: > >> >> Hi Alan can you please confirm, it came as 1 or 2 pieces? >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394824#394824 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 12:34:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Classic aileron
    From: "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com>
    Thanks for the confirmation Tim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394828#394828


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    Time: 12:49:26 PM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
    Subject: Garmin 495 help
    Thanks I rang em up and they nicely told me to buy a new batt L Will From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel henry Sent: 22 February 2013 06:00 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Garmin 495 help


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    Time: 01:46:41 PM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell.longport@gmail.com>
    Subject: Garmin 495 help
    To anyone who might have the same issue you here is the solution. Thinking I had nothing to lose I hooked the gps battery up to a 12v batt and gave it a wee jolt. Apparently that cleared its head and the gps recognized the battery and is now charging. (with the garmin logo right way up the pos is the RH terminal and the neg is the middle terminal) will From: William Daniell [mailto:wdaniell.longport@gmail.com] Sent: 22 February 2013 15:49 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Garmin 495 help Thanks I rang em up and they nicely told me to buy a new batt L Will From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel henry Sent: 22 February 2013 06:00 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Garmin 495 help


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    Time: 02:18:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Classic aileron
    From: "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com>
    Thanks very much guys Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394836#394836




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