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1. 12:48 AM - Re: Re: Damping Grease (Peter Jeffers)
2. 01:32 AM - Re: Damping Grease (jonathanmilbank)
3. 02:02 AM - Mono Trailer (flyingphil2)
4. 02:06 AM - Re: Re: Damping Grease (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
5. 02:16 AM - Re: Mono Trailer (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
6. 02:31 AM - Re: Mono Trailer (flyingphil2)
7. 11:26 AM - Help with rough ride rough stomach (graeme bird)
8. 11:50 AM - Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
9. 12:23 PM - Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach (bill)
10. 01:04 PM - Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach (Bob Harrison)
11. 02:18 PM - Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach (Jeff B)
12. 02:29 PM - Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach (rcollings@talktalk.net)
13. 02:31 PM - Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach (Jeff B)
14. 02:32 PM - Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach (David Joyce)
15. 03:41 PM - Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach (Karl Heindl)
16. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: Damping Grease (Bud Yerly)
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| Subject: | Re: Damping Grease |
Hi Jonathan,
Since the friction disc is pin located to the fork assembly it is pointless
applying the grease to the underside of the plastic disc.
The break out friction referred to is a feature of the speed of application
of movement. Just applying a progressive load as in the 20 lb test will not
produce the break out effect that you are looking for. Speaking
scientifically, the friction torque generated by the grease is related to
velocity by a hysteresis curve. Ie the greater the surface speed the
greater the friction torque produced.
In fact the only way to demonstrate the result of applying the grease is to
fly the beast.
If you set the friction, as per the manual, then you will achieve exactly
the result you require.
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jonathanmilbank
Sent: 03 March 2013 23:38
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Damping Grease
Hi Bud,
Neville Eyre recently did the really difficult work on my old monowheel
G-EIKY and converted it to a trigear. I then towed it away to do the long
list of tasks necessary before it can be inspected and signed off.
Today I proceeded to remove the nosewheel fork spindle and made sure that
the spindle, bushes and friction plate were clean and dry before applying
the Nye damping grease to all relevant surfaces, including both sides of the
friction disk. The Nye grease is also lubricating the bushes.
Quote from your post above "Note there are two frictions. The first is the
torque to break the friction, then there is the rotational torque." Well, if
the damping grease gets applied to one side or both sides of the disk, then
there is no longer a friction break-out torque.
Having tightened the assembly a lot and with the wheel off the ground, all I
can discern is a constant 18 to 20 pounds resistance when pulling the
nosewheel from side to side. There is no break-out. This being my first
experience of setting up a Europa nosewheel, I would appreciate comments and
advice from you or anyone else.
Comparing my Europa nosewheel with other aircraft of different types also
having castoring nosewheels, mine seems excessively heavy to turn from side
to side. Yes, I did tie a cable to the wheel axle and wrap it 90 degrees
around the rear of the tyre before pulling with a spring scale.
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| Subject: | Re: Damping Grease |
Hello Pete,
I've received a text (SMS) from Nev this morning, also pointing out the non-necessity
of applying anti-shimmy grease to both sides of the friction disk.
Seemingly once the assembly has been tightened sufficiently to remove the end float,
it will be free to turn but won't turn quickly. It should be possible to
push with a finger, again not quickly.
The proof of the pudding lies in the eating, so doing taxi trials and rechecking
the nosewheel afterwards should give the desired result.
Thanks for the scientific insight into this matter. I'll now attempt to remove
the incredibly sticky goo from one side of the disk and the fork.
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Hi,
I'm on the look out again for a mono trailer that needs a new home.
Ideally I'd like something in good condition but let me know what you have.
Thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Damping Grease |
Don't think I-would-bother-Jonathan. Leave the grease on and test it.
=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: jonathanmilbank
<jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, 4
March 2013, 9:32=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: Damping Grease=0A =0A--> Euro
pa-List message posted by: "jonathanmilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>=0A=0AH
ello Pete,=0A=0AI've received a text (SMS) from Nev this morning, also poin
ting out the non-necessity of applying anti-shimmy grease to both sides of
the friction disk.=0A=0ASeemingly once the assembly has been tightened suff
iciently to remove the end float, it will be free to turn but won't turn qu
ickly. It should be possible to push with a finger, again not quickly.=0A
=0AThe proof of the pudding lies in the eating, so doing taxi trials and re
checking the nosewheel afterwards should give the desired result.=0A=0AThan
ks for the scientific insight into this matter. I'll now attempt to remove
the incredibly sticky goo from one side of the disk and the fork.=0A=0A=0A
=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtop
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| Subject: | Re: Mono Trailer |
Phil=0AI have a closed trailer that could be modified to take a mono. You w
ould need to add and extension at the front to take the fin.=0AGraham=0A=0A
=0A________________________________=0A From: flyingphil2 <flyingphil627-eur
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=0AHi,=0A=0AI'm on the look out again for a mono trailer that needs a new h
ome.=0AIdeally I'd like something in good condition but let me know what yo
u have.=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0APhil=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Mono Trailer |
Hi Graham,
Many thanks for your reply but I'm just looking for an open mono trailer.
Regards,
Phil
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| Subject: | Help with rough ride rough stomach |
Wife and I expanding horizons but when its a bit bumpy she soon feels very rough
and travel sick as per visit to Bembridge UK Sunday. I cant understand that
its much different to a car on a bumpy track which she is fine with. Seems a shame.
Has anyone found a remedy?
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 45 hours
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach |
Graeme=0AI used to get sick in my glider circling in thermals. Tell her to
concentrate on the horizon. NASA found that=0Aif there was no horizon and a
bumpy ride most people got sick. Project a true horizon on the wall=0Aof t
he test cell teh astronauts were in was the cure.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________
________________________=0A From: graeme bird <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>=0ATo: eu
ropa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, 4 March 2013, 19:23=0ASubject: Eur
opa-List: Help with rough ride rough stomach=0A =0A--> Europa-List message
posted by: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>=0A=0AWife and I expanding hor
izons but when its a bit bumpy she soon feels very rough and travel sick as
per visit to Bembridge UK Sunday. I cant understand that its much differen
t to a car on a bumpy track which she is fine with. Seems a shame. Has anyo
ne found a remedy?=0A=0A--------=0AGraeme Bird=0AG-UMPY=0AMono 912S/Woodcom
p 3000/3W=0ANewby: 45 hours- =0Ag(at)gdbmk.co.uk=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this
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| Subject: | Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach |
If I ever have a passenger looking a bit woozy I hand them the controls
and let fly. So far it works every time.
Just like in a car where the driver never gets sick.
Cheers
Sue and Bill Sisley
On 5/03/2013 8:23 a.m., graeme bird wrote:
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> Wife and I expanding horizons but when its a bit bumpy she soon feels very rough
and travel sick as per visit to Bembridge UK Sunday. I cant understand that
its much different to a car on a bumpy track which she is fine with. Seems a
shame. Has anyone found a remedy?
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
> Newby: 45 hours
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395621#395621
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| Subject: | Help with rough ride rough stomach |
Hi! Bill
On the contrary, whenever I've had to deal with a "pewker" it was brought on
by giving them the stick !
I had a Marine on board once ...."just a sandwich short of a picnic type"
.....I told him if he felt sick to "fire it down on the floor since I didn't
have a sick bag" ....... what's the best way to get a "pewk spray" ? ...get
a Marine to hold his hand over his mouth !!!!
Graeme.......suggest that she has a normal breakfast and relaxes. The worst
thing is an empty stomach.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill
Sent: 04 March 2013 20:22
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Help with rough ride rough stomach
If I ever have a passenger looking a bit woozy I hand them the controls and
let fly. So far it works every time.
Just like in a car where the driver never gets sick.
Cheers
Sue and Bill Sisley
On 5/03/2013 8:23 a.m., graeme bird wrote:
>
> Wife and I expanding horizons but when its a bit bumpy she soon feels very
rough and travel sick as per visit to Bembridge UK Sunday. I cant understand
that its much different to a car on a bumpy track which she is fine with.
Seems a shame. Has anyone found a remedy?
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
> Newby: 45 hours
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395621#395621
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| Subject: | Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach |
Graeme,
You have two options. At your local vitamin store, pick up some ground
ginger with peppermint and have her take a couple 30 minutes before
flight. Orrrrr, there's this neat device that my wife uses called a
Travel Mate. wear it like a wrist watch. Look here
http://www.healthdevice.com She swears by it...
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 3/4/2013 1:23 PM, graeme bird wrote:
>
> Wife and I expanding horizons but when its a bit bumpy she soon feels very rough
and travel sick as per visit to Bembridge UK Sunday. I cant understand that
its much different to a car on a bumpy track which she is fine with. Seems a
shame. Has anyone found a remedy?
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
> Newby: 45 hours
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395621#395621
>
>
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| Subject: | Help with rough ride rough stomach |
My wife has the same problem, Boots Travel Calm does the trick take 1 or
1/2 of one 1/2 an hour before you start the flight.
Best of luck. Richard
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From: graeme bird graeme@gdbmk.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: Help with rough ride rough stomach
Wife and I expanding horizons but when its a bit bumpy she soon feels very
rough and travel sick as per visit to Bembridge UK Sunday. I cant
understand that its much different to a car on a bumpy track which she is
fine with. Seems a shame. Has anyone found a remedy?
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 45 hours
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach |
Sorry, looks like that's a dead link. I just Googled "travel mate
motion sickness band" and got several sites, so you should have no
problem locating one.
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 3/4/2013 4:17 PM, Jeff B wrote:
>
> Graeme,
>
> You have two options. At your local vitamin store, pick up some ground
> ginger with peppermint and have her take a couple 30 minutes before
> flight. Orrrrr, there's this neat device that my wife uses called a
> Travel Mate. wear it like a wrist watch. Look here
> http://www.healthdevice.com She swears by it...
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> On 3/4/2013 1:23 PM, graeme bird wrote:
>>
>> Wife and I expanding horizons but when its a bit bumpy she soon feels
>> very rough and travel sick as per visit to Bembridge UK Sunday. I cant
>> understand that its much different to a car on a bumpy track which she
>> is fine with. Seems a shame. Has anyone found a remedy?
>>
>> --------
>> Graeme Bird
>> G-UMPY
>> Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
>> Newby: 45 hours
>> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395621#395621
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Help with rough ride rough stomach |
Graeme, I would strongly recommend giving her Stugeron,
which you can buy over the counter. It was the favourite
remedy of my medical sailing colleagues. You can also
minimise the stimulus by flying early or late in the day
and flying above the thermal layer when poss and avoiding
flying much below 3000 ft if there is strong wind.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 11:23:26 -0800
"graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:
><graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
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> Wife and I expanding horizons but when its a bit bumpy
>she soon feels very rough and travel sick as per visit to
>Bembridge UK Sunday. I cant understand that its much
>different to a car on a bumpy track which she is fine
>with. Seems a shame. Has anyone found a remedy?
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
> Newby: 45 hours
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Help with rough ride rough stomach |
Hi Graeme=2C
There is a gizmo you can buy at Sportys Pilot Shop and other places.It look
s like a watch and straps to the wrist.It gives electric shocks=2C the inte
nsity of which is adjustable.It sounds like a gimmick=2C and I don't unders
tand the science behind it=2C but it really works.There are also pills avai
lable to treat motion sickness=2C available at any pharmacy.
Cheers=2C
Karl
> Subject: Europa-List: Help with rough ride rough stomach
> From: graeme@gdbmk.co.uk
> Date: Mon=2C 4 Mar 2013 11:23:26 -0800
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
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>
> Wife and I expanding horizons but when its a bit bumpy she soon feels ver
y rough and travel sick as per visit to Bembridge UK Sunday. I cant underst
and that its much different to a car on a bumpy track which she is fine wit
h. Seems a shame. Has anyone found a remedy?
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
> Newby: 45 hours
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395621#395621
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| Subject: | Re: Damping Grease |
Jon,
Glad to here you are progressing well.
I meant in my comments to apply the grease to both the disk (top side
only since there is a pin holding the disk immovable on the lower fork)
and the flat plate on the gear. Apply the grease to both the plastic
and the bearings is OK. As for our friction setting, it is a bit high
in comparison to the Yankee, or RV because our nose gear is at a shorter
caster distance like those annoying shopping cart wheels. It is set
this way to get the proper nose to main spacing and not interfere with
the prop and still be able to be kept light. I would say your current
setting about 20 is fine. However, if you lower the friction to 16 and
bang down the nose at high speed (over 50Kts.) it will likely shimmy.
Hence the book says 21 pounds. Set the torque near there and go test
it.
As far as the breakout, Pete gave a great answer. Once you let the gear
set a bit, it takes a bit more pull to get the gear moving than to go
around and around once it has started turning.
It's time to get into the plane and taxi, test and fly.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
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From: jonathanmilbank<mailto:jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2013 6:37 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Damping Grease
<jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk<mailto:jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>>
Hi Bud,
Neville Eyre recently did the really difficult work on my old
monowheel G-EIKY and converted it to a trigear. I then towed it away to
do the long list of tasks necessary before it can be inspected and
signed off.
Today I proceeded to remove the nosewheel fork spindle and made sure
that the spindle, bushes and friction plate were clean and dry before
applying the Nye damping grease to all relevant surfaces, including both
sides of the friction disk. The Nye grease is also lubricating the
bushes.
Quote from your post above "Note there are two frictions. The first is
the torque to break the friction, then there is the rotational torque."
Well, if the damping grease gets applied to one side or both sides of
the disk, then there is no longer a friction break-out torque.
Having tightened the assembly a lot and with the wheel off the ground,
all I can discern is a constant 18 to 20 pounds resistance when pulling
the nosewheel from side to side. There is no break-out. This being my
first experience of setting up a Europa nosewheel, I would appreciate
comments and advice from you or anyone else.
Comparing my Europa nosewheel with other aircraft of different types
also having castoring nosewheels, mine seems excessively heavy to turn
from side to side. Yes, I did tie a cable to the wheel axle and wrap it
90 degrees around the rear of the tyre before pulling with a spring
scale.
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