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1. 03:36 AM - Re: Trailer regulations in UK (David Joyce)
2. 05:39 AM - Re: Trailer regulations in UK (David Watts)
3. 08:17 AM - Warp Drive Tapered Tips (egp8111)
4. 08:31 AM - Re: Warp Drive Tapered Tips (houlihan)
5. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: mid-door latch (Fred Klein)
6. 08:56 AM - Re: Dynamic Prop Balancer (Richard Wheelwright)
7. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: mid-door latch (Bud Yerly)
8. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: Dynamic Prop Balancer (Ken Carpenter)
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Subject: | Re: Trailer regulations in UK |
Dear Both, The Flying Programme is about to go to press.
Do you have further details? regards, David
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:29:08 -0000
"David Watts" <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
><dg.watts@talktalk.net>
>
> Hi David,
>
> Yes we are and I think Peter Kember will be contacting
>you shortly about it
> as we have only discussed it in the last 2 days. The
>date will be 17th
> August with a rain date of 18th.
>
> Dave.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On
>Behalf Of David Joyce
> Sent: 13 January 2013 18:40
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer regulations in UK
>
><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
>
> David, you are right but it probably weighs very little
>or
> at least not enough to exceed the limit with an average
> Europa.
> On another tack, are you contemplating a
> Laddingford fly in this year?
> Regards, David Joyce, G - XSDJ
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:39:47 -0000
> "David Watts" <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
>><dg.watts@talktalk.net>
>>
>> David,
>>
>> You say that you cannot imagine a plane trailer without
>>an over-ride
>> system, buty the standard factory monowheel trailer has
>>no brakes and it
>> seems to tow fine by all accounts.
>>
>> Dave Watts, G-BXDY
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On
>>Behalf Of David Joyce
>> Sent: 13 January 2013 12:24
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer regulations in UK
>>
>><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>
>>Frans, Googling UK Towing Regulations gets you to
>> www.solentribster.com/towing_requirements.htm which
>>nicely
>> summarises UK regs. There is no stipulated National
>>limit
>> for the weight a car can tow. The limit is set by the
>> manufacturer and varies with the car. There is a
>> stipulation that if the trailer weight exceeds 750kg
>>then
>> the trailer must have a braking system, but I cannot
>> imagine any plane trailer would be made without an
>> over-ride system.
>> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:09:38 +0100
>> Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl> wrote:
>>><frans@privatepilots.nl>
>>>
>>> On 01/13/2013 11:55 AM, David Watts wrote:
>>>
>>>> You say that you are over the 750Kg weight limit. That
>>>>is a surprise.
>>>
>>> I have put my empty trailer on an agricultural weight
>>>scale, and the
>>> receipt said that it was 420 Kg's. Of course they
>>>usually measure the
>>> amount of fertilizer loaded in a tractor which is a much
>>>higher weight
>>> so the scale might be a little bit less precise on the
>>>lower end, but it
>>> didn't look unreasonable to me. (Note that this is a
>>>trailer for a tri
>>> gear, so it has a twin axle).
>>>
>>> I just found the Europa Tri-gear Trailer Specification
>>>(the attached
>>> file was rejected by Matronics) it says the empty weight
>>>is 360Kg. As I
>>> have added boxes for the tail planes, a winch plus
>>>battery, spare wheel,
>>> and some other goodies it might weight close to 420 Kg's
>>>after all. I
>>> wish my Europa was only 330 Kg's but it is a tad heavier
>>>than that.
>>>
>>>Frans
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>Admin.
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Subject: | Trailer regulations in UK |
No, there are no more details at the moment, other than has already been
said. We will release details nearer the time.
David Watts
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Sent: 10 March 2013 10:35
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer regulations in UK
Dear Both, The Flying Programme is about to go to press.
Do you have further details? regards, David
On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:29:08 -0000
"David Watts" <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
><dg.watts@talktalk.net>
>
> Hi David,
>
> Yes we are and I think Peter Kember will be contacting
>you shortly about it
> as we have only discussed it in the last 2 days. The
>date will be 17th
> August with a rain date of 18th.
>
> Dave.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On
>Behalf Of David Joyce
> Sent: 13 January 2013 18:40
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer regulations in UK
>
><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
>
> David, you are right but it probably weighs very little
>or
> at least not enough to exceed the limit with an average
> Europa.
> On another tack, are you contemplating a
> Laddingford fly in this year?
> Regards, David Joyce, G - XSDJ
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:39:47 -0000
> "David Watts" <dg.watts@talktalk.net> wrote:
>><dg.watts@talktalk.net>
>>
>> David,
>>
>> You say that you cannot imagine a plane trailer without
>>an over-ride
>> system, buty the standard factory monowheel trailer has
>>no brakes and it
>> seems to tow fine by all accounts.
>>
>> Dave Watts, G-BXDY
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On
>>Behalf Of David Joyce
>> Sent: 13 January 2013 12:24
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer regulations in UK
>>
>><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>
>>Frans, Googling UK Towing Regulations gets you to
>> www.solentribster.com/towing_requirements.htm which
>>nicely
>> summarises UK regs. There is no stipulated National
>>limit
>> for the weight a car can tow. The limit is set by the
>> manufacturer and varies with the car. There is a
>> stipulation that if the trailer weight exceeds 750kg
>>then
>> the trailer must have a braking system, but I cannot
>> imagine any plane trailer would be made without an
>> over-ride system.
>> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:09:38 +0100
>> Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl> wrote:
>>><frans@privatepilots.nl>
>>>
>>> On 01/13/2013 11:55 AM, David Watts wrote:
>>>
>>>> You say that you are over the 750Kg weight limit. That
>>>>is a surprise.
>>>
>>> I have put my empty trailer on an agricultural weight
>>>scale, and the
>>> receipt said that it was 420 Kg's. Of course they
>>>usually measure the
>>> amount of fertilizer loaded in a tractor which is a much
>>>higher weight
>>> so the scale might be a little bit less precise on the
>>>lower end, but it
>>> didn't look unreasonable to me. (Note that this is a
>>>trailer for a tri
>>> gear, so it has a twin axle).
>>>
>>> I just found the Europa Tri-gear Trailer Specification
>>>(the attached
>>> file was rejected by Matronics) it says the empty weight
>>>is 360Kg. As I
>>> have added boxes for the tail planes, a winch plus
>>>battery, spare wheel,
>>> and some other goodies it might weight close to 420 Kg's
>>>after all. I
>>> wish my Europa was only 330 Kg's but it is a tad heavier
>>>than that.
>>>
>>>Frans
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Un/Subscription,
>>>Forums!
>>>Admin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>Admin.
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Subject: | Warp Drive Tapered Tips |
My monowheel classic has been in a bit of a time warp for the last 12 years or
so and is very "old school". It has the 912ul and the orginal Warp Drive propellor
from 1996. The prop blades are the standard broad tip profile. Does anyone
have any experience with the broad tips versus the tapered tips ? I'm just
wondering if it would be worth the effort to have the blades tapered.
Thanks,
EG
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395959#395959
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Subject: | Re: Warp Drive Tapered Tips |
Re the standard broad tipped Warp drive prop blades , My understanding was
that the "standard" warp drive prop for the 80hp 912ul was the narrow or
tapered blades, the wide blades were for the 100hp 912uls .
What is your reasoning regarding changing the blades ? are you having
problems
Tim
G-BZTH
On 10 March 2013 15:16, egp8111 <egp8111@aol.com> wrote:
>
> My monowheel classic has been in a bit of a time warp for the last 12
> years or so and is very "old school". It has the 912ul and the orginal
> Warp Drive propellor from 1996. The prop blades are the standard broad tip
> profile. Does anyone have any experience with the broad tips versus the
> tapered tips ? I'm just wondering if it would be worth the effort to have
> the blades tapered.
>
> Thanks,
> EG
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395959#395959
>
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Subject: | Re: mid-door latch |
On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:21 AM, John Heykoop wrote:
> So why not have a warning light for the rear shoot bolts? It is cheap,
takes up very little space on the instrument panel, weighs next to
nothing and is easy to install. I would urge anybody who is still
building to make sure they install one.
Roger that John...many thanks to Raimo's excellent design and
installation...
Fred,
A-194...ready for final paint
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Subject: | Re: Dynamic Prop Balancer |
Well I have just finished the prop balance today.
Conclusion
First Balance the carbs, I used the Solid State Carbmate, with no issuess at
all, Simple and perfect result.
I used the the PB3 from Smartat Avionics, This seems to be a tool you have to
get the feel for. It gives you fantastic prop balance data, and as you +/- wight
you can feel the diferencesce in the aircraft airframe. I think this will
have to be a future investmentnt.
Thank you for the help and the lone of the PB3, Thank you for the PM suggestion
too.
--------
Richard Wheelwright
G-IRPW
90% finished with that 90% to Finish
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Subject: | Re: mid-door latch |
Too true John.
I have not been privy to the article on door departure.
Could someone send me a copy via email to review?
I'm afraid that in my career, I have seen many canopy losses and gear up
landings. Bitching Betty annunciators, and warning lights doesn't
prevent loss, a good old look at the latches and in lighter planes
pushing on the canopy does. In the F-4, the Back Seater, read the
checklist and was listening for "Canopy closed, locked, warning light
out, stripes aligned (the mechanical locking indicator because the
canopy weighed 275 pounds and you really couldn't move it) then took off
with his canopy mechanically unlocked but the warning light out
(misadjusted switch). OOPs. Trust me, if you have one latch undone on
the Europa (or Cherokee) door, if you push on the door, it will crack
open. Make it a habit to push on both clamshell doors in your safety
check prior to takeoff, it works well, requires no power, wiring, or
crafty workmanship. If you are not flexible enough to move easily to
reach to the aft end of the door, lean forward and push on the middle of
the door (use caution with ladies to whom you are not intimate with) and
it still works. My concern is that it is not hard to add light switches
or drill the shoot bolt so the pin can be observed but it gets ignored
unless the habits are instilled in one's preflight operation.
Upholsterer's and painters can screw up those warning systems unless you
supervise them properly. I have seen many stall warning lights on at
totally flying speeds and were ignored because the builder just didn't
have time to fix it, and I have been on the runway when the canopy light
was on because it was hot, the canopy quickly closed and the takeoff
roll started and aborted by me, the observer pilot, because the pilot
was preoccupied to get off the ground for traffic (he trusted me, and it
was my door). Another was lost because the front pin was not engaged
and the warning light switch was installed only on the aft pin. Only
good habits, visual confirmation and honest checklist compliance work
for sure as familiarity breeds contempt. We are creatures of habit...
Regards,
Bud Yerly
----- Original Message -----
From: John Heykoop<mailto:john.heykoop@gmail.com>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 3:21 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: mid-door latch
<john.heykoop@gmail.com<mailto:john.heykoop@gmail.com>>
Hi Alan
I agree that the article in the LAA magazine was very interesting. It
would have been even better if it had highlighted the benefits of having
a warning light that illuminates if one of the rear shoot bolts hasn't
engaged properly. You can go further and have warning lights for all the
shoot bolts, but it is really only the rear shoot bolts that are a
problem.
Having a warning light does not mean that you don't need to physically
check that the doors are shut properly, but it does help to guard
against the possibility that one day you may become distracted and fail
to check properly. Or the hot day when you taxi with the door open and
think you have shut it properly before takeoff but haven't. Making
absolutely sure that the rear shoot bolts have engaged is well nigh
impossible once you are strapped in.
So why not have a warning light for the rear shoot bolts? It is cheap,
takes up very little space on the instrument panel, weighs next to
nothing and is easy to install. I would urge anybody who is still
building to make sure they install one.
Regards
John
G-JHKP
On 8 Mar 2013, at 23:50, "Alan Carter"
<alancarteresq@onetel.net<mailto:alancarteresq@onetel.net>> wrote:
<alancarteresq@onetel.net<mailto:alancarteresq@onetel.net>>
>
> Hi All.
> Been reading in the LAA magazin about Europa door departing the
aircraft, very interesting contribution.
> Way back in 2007 the previous owner of my aircraft, taxing with door
unlocked then took off, the pilots door departed the aircraft went over
the top and hit the starboard wing and aileron,
> Pilots often taxy on a hot summers day with the door open, some have
installed warning devices on the Shoe Bolts, but has anyone designed a
latch or stay to prevent it opening say less than 2".?
> Today i applied grease to the shoe bolts and found the door was very
very much better in closing, the only draw back is the grease around the
housing if ever a repair was needed, but i did notice a great difference
in closing, and much less strain on the actual door handle.
> Its probably written down some where in the manual, but the forum
jogs ones memory, and this only took a minute.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395910#395910<http://forums
.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395910#395910>
>
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>
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/N
avigator?Europa-List>
http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on>
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Subject: | Re: Dynamic Prop Balancer |
Sent from my iPad
On Mar 10, 2013, at 11:56 AM, "Richard Wheelwright" <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>
> Well I have just finished the prop balance today.
>
> Conclusion
> First Balance the carbs, I used the Solid State Carbmate, with no issuess at
all, Simple and perfect result.
> I used the the PB3 from Smartat Avionics, This seems to be a tool you have to
get the feel for. It gives you fantastic prop balance data, and as you +/- wight
you can feel the diferencesce in the aircraft airframe. I think this will
have to be a future investmentnt.
>
> Thank you for the help and the lone of the PB3, Thank you for the PM suggestion
too.
>
> --------
> Richard Wheelwright
> G-IRPW
> 90% finished with that 90% to Finish
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395965#395965
>
>
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