---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/10/13: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:36 AM - Re: Trailer regulations in UK (David Joyce) 2. 05:39 AM - Re: Trailer regulations in UK (David Watts) 3. 08:17 AM - Warp Drive Tapered Tips (egp8111) 4. 08:31 AM - Re: Warp Drive Tapered Tips (houlihan) 5. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: mid-door latch (Fred Klein) 6. 08:56 AM - Re: Dynamic Prop Balancer (Richard Wheelwright) 7. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: mid-door latch (Bud Yerly) 8. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: Dynamic Prop Balancer (Ken Carpenter) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:45 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer regulations in UK Dear Both, The Flying Programme is about to go to press. Do you have further details? regards, David On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:29:08 -0000 "David Watts" wrote: > > > Hi David, > > Yes we are and I think Peter Kember will be contacting >you shortly about it > as we have only discussed it in the last 2 days. The >date will be 17th > August with a rain date of 18th. > > Dave. > > -----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On >Behalf Of David Joyce > Sent: 13 January 2013 18:40 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer regulations in UK > > > > > David, you are right but it probably weighs very little >or > at least not enough to exceed the limit with an average > Europa. > On another tack, are you contemplating a > Laddingford fly in this year? > Regards, David Joyce, G - XSDJ > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:39:47 -0000 > "David Watts" wrote: >> >> >> David, >> >> You say that you cannot imagine a plane trailer without >>an over-ride >> system, buty the standard factory monowheel trailer has >>no brakes and it >> seems to tow fine by all accounts. >> >> Dave Watts, G-BXDY >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On >>Behalf Of David Joyce >> Sent: 13 January 2013 12:24 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer regulations in UK >> >> >> >>Frans, Googling UK Towing Regulations gets you to >> www.solentribster.com/towing_requirements.htm which >>nicely >> summarises UK regs. There is no stipulated National >>limit >> for the weight a car can tow. The limit is set by the >> manufacturer and varies with the car. There is a >> stipulation that if the trailer weight exceeds 750kg >>then >> the trailer must have a braking system, but I cannot >> imagine any plane trailer would be made without an >> over-ride system. >> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:09:38 +0100 >> Frans Veldman wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 01/13/2013 11:55 AM, David Watts wrote: >>> >>>> You say that you are over the 750Kg weight limit. That >>>>is a surprise. >>> >>> I have put my empty trailer on an agricultural weight >>>scale, and the >>> receipt said that it was 420 Kg's. Of course they >>>usually measure the >>> amount of fertilizer loaded in a tractor which is a much >>>higher weight >>> so the scale might be a little bit less precise on the >>>lower end, but it >>> didn't look unreasonable to me. (Note that this is a >>>trailer for a tri >>> gear, so it has a twin axle). >>> >>> I just found the Europa Tri-gear Trailer Specification >>>(the attached >>> file was rejected by Matronics) it says the empty weight >>>is 360Kg. As I >>> have added boxes for the tail planes, a winch plus >>>battery, spare wheel, >>> and some other goodies it might weight close to 420 Kg's >>>after all. I >>> wish my Europa was only 330 Kg's but it is a tad heavier >>>than that. >>> >>>Frans >>> >>> >>> >>>Un/Subscription, >>>Forums! >>>Admin. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>Un/Subscription, >>Forums! >>Admin. >> >> >> > > > > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:06 AM PST US From: "David Watts" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trailer regulations in UK No, there are no more details at the moment, other than has already been said. We will release details nearer the time. David Watts -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce Sent: 10 March 2013 10:35 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer regulations in UK Dear Both, The Flying Programme is about to go to press. Do you have further details? regards, David On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:29:08 -0000 "David Watts" wrote: > > > Hi David, > > Yes we are and I think Peter Kember will be contacting >you shortly about it > as we have only discussed it in the last 2 days. The >date will be 17th > August with a rain date of 18th. > > Dave. > > -----Original Message----- >From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On >Behalf Of David Joyce > Sent: 13 January 2013 18:40 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer regulations in UK > > > > > David, you are right but it probably weighs very little >or > at least not enough to exceed the limit with an average > Europa. > On another tack, are you contemplating a > Laddingford fly in this year? > Regards, David Joyce, G - XSDJ > On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 12:39:47 -0000 > "David Watts" wrote: >> >> >> David, >> >> You say that you cannot imagine a plane trailer without >>an over-ride >> system, buty the standard factory monowheel trailer has >>no brakes and it >> seems to tow fine by all accounts. >> >> Dave Watts, G-BXDY >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On >>Behalf Of David Joyce >> Sent: 13 January 2013 12:24 >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trailer regulations in UK >> >> >> >>Frans, Googling UK Towing Regulations gets you to >> www.solentribster.com/towing_requirements.htm which >>nicely >> summarises UK regs. There is no stipulated National >>limit >> for the weight a car can tow. The limit is set by the >> manufacturer and varies with the car. There is a >> stipulation that if the trailer weight exceeds 750kg >>then >> the trailer must have a braking system, but I cannot >> imagine any plane trailer would be made without an >> over-ride system. >> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ >> >> >> On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 13:09:38 +0100 >> Frans Veldman wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 01/13/2013 11:55 AM, David Watts wrote: >>> >>>> You say that you are over the 750Kg weight limit. That >>>>is a surprise. >>> >>> I have put my empty trailer on an agricultural weight >>>scale, and the >>> receipt said that it was 420 Kg's. Of course they >>>usually measure the >>> amount of fertilizer loaded in a tractor which is a much >>>higher weight >>> so the scale might be a little bit less precise on the >>>lower end, but it >>> didn't look unreasonable to me. (Note that this is a >>>trailer for a tri >>> gear, so it has a twin axle). >>> >>> I just found the Europa Tri-gear Trailer Specification >>>(the attached >>> file was rejected by Matronics) it says the empty weight >>>is 360Kg. As I >>> have added boxes for the tail planes, a winch plus >>>battery, spare wheel, >>> and some other goodies it might weight close to 420 Kg's >>>after all. I >>> wish my Europa was only 330 Kg's but it is a tad heavier >>>than that. >>> >>>Frans >>> >>> >>> >>>Un/Subscription, >>>Forums! >>>Admin. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >>Un/Subscription, >>Forums! >>Admin. >> >> >> > > > > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:47 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Warp Drive Tapered Tips From: "egp8111" My monowheel classic has been in a bit of a time warp for the last 12 years or so and is very "old school". It has the 912ul and the orginal Warp Drive propellor from 1996. The prop blades are the standard broad tip profile. Does anyone have any experience with the broad tips versus the tapered tips ? I'm just wondering if it would be worth the effort to have the blades tapered. Thanks, EG Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395959#395959 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Warp Drive Tapered Tips From: houlihan Re the standard broad tipped Warp drive prop blades , My understanding was that the "standard" warp drive prop for the 80hp 912ul was the narrow or tapered blades, the wide blades were for the 100hp 912uls . What is your reasoning regarding changing the blades ? are you having problems Tim G-BZTH On 10 March 2013 15:16, egp8111 wrote: > > My monowheel classic has been in a bit of a time warp for the last 12 > years or so and is very "old school". It has the 912ul and the orginal > Warp Drive propellor from 1996. The prop blades are the standard broad tip > profile. Does anyone have any experience with the broad tips versus the > tapered tips ? I'm just wondering if it would be worth the effort to have > the blades tapered. > > Thanks, > EG > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395959#395959 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:50 AM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: mid-door latch On Mar 9, 2013, at 11:21 AM, John Heykoop wrote: > So why not have a warning light for the rear shoot bolts? It is cheap, takes up very little space on the instrument panel, weighs next to nothing and is easy to install. I would urge anybody who is still building to make sure they install one. Roger that John...many thanks to Raimo's excellent design and installation... Fred, A-194...ready for final paint ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:29 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Dynamic Prop Balancer From: "Richard Wheelwright" Well I have just finished the prop balance today. Conclusion First Balance the carbs, I used the Solid State Carbmate, with no issuess at all, Simple and perfect result. I used the the PB3 from Smartat Avionics, This seems to be a tool you have to get the feel for. It gives you fantastic prop balance data, and as you +/- wight you can feel the diferencesce in the aircraft airframe. I think this will have to be a future investmentnt. Thank you for the help and the lone of the PB3, Thank you for the PM suggestion too. -------- Richard Wheelwright G-IRPW 90% finished with that 90% to Finish Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395965#395965 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:42 AM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: mid-door latch Too true John. I have not been privy to the article on door departure. Could someone send me a copy via email to review? I'm afraid that in my career, I have seen many canopy losses and gear up landings. Bitching Betty annunciators, and warning lights doesn't prevent loss, a good old look at the latches and in lighter planes pushing on the canopy does. In the F-4, the Back Seater, read the checklist and was listening for "Canopy closed, locked, warning light out, stripes aligned (the mechanical locking indicator because the canopy weighed 275 pounds and you really couldn't move it) then took off with his canopy mechanically unlocked but the warning light out (misadjusted switch). OOPs. Trust me, if you have one latch undone on the Europa (or Cherokee) door, if you push on the door, it will crack open. Make it a habit to push on both clamshell doors in your safety check prior to takeoff, it works well, requires no power, wiring, or crafty workmanship. If you are not flexible enough to move easily to reach to the aft end of the door, lean forward and push on the middle of the door (use caution with ladies to whom you are not intimate with) and it still works. My concern is that it is not hard to add light switches or drill the shoot bolt so the pin can be observed but it gets ignored unless the habits are instilled in one's preflight operation. Upholsterer's and painters can screw up those warning systems unless you supervise them properly. I have seen many stall warning lights on at totally flying speeds and were ignored because the builder just didn't have time to fix it, and I have been on the runway when the canopy light was on because it was hot, the canopy quickly closed and the takeoff roll started and aborted by me, the observer pilot, because the pilot was preoccupied to get off the ground for traffic (he trusted me, and it was my door). Another was lost because the front pin was not engaged and the warning light switch was installed only on the aft pin. Only good habits, visual confirmation and honest checklist compliance work for sure as familiarity breeds contempt. We are creatures of habit... Regards, Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: John Heykoop To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 3:21 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: mid-door latch > Hi Alan I agree that the article in the LAA magazine was very interesting. It would have been even better if it had highlighted the benefits of having a warning light that illuminates if one of the rear shoot bolts hasn't engaged properly. You can go further and have warning lights for all the shoot bolts, but it is really only the rear shoot bolts that are a problem. Having a warning light does not mean that you don't need to physically check that the doors are shut properly, but it does help to guard against the possibility that one day you may become distracted and fail to check properly. Or the hot day when you taxi with the door open and think you have shut it properly before takeoff but haven't. Making absolutely sure that the rear shoot bolts have engaged is well nigh impossible once you are strapped in. So why not have a warning light for the rear shoot bolts? It is cheap, takes up very little space on the instrument panel, weighs next to nothing and is easy to install. I would urge anybody who is still building to make sure they install one. Regards John G-JHKP On 8 Mar 2013, at 23:50, "Alan Carter" > wrote: > > > Hi All. > Been reading in the LAA magazin about Europa door departing the aircraft, very interesting contribution. > Way back in 2007 the previous owner of my aircraft, taxing with door unlocked then took off, the pilots door departed the aircraft went over the top and hit the starboard wing and aileron, > Pilots often taxy on a hot summers day with the door open, some have installed warning devices on the Shoe Bolts, but has anyone designed a latch or stay to prevent it opening say less than 2".? > Today i applied grease to the shoe bolts and found the door was very very much better in closing, the only draw back is the grease around the housing if ever a repair was needed, but i did notice a great difference in closing, and much less strain on the actual door handle. > Its probably written down some where in the manual, but the forum jogs ones memory, and this only took a minute. > > Alan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395910#395910 > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Dynamic Prop Balancer From: Ken Carpenter Sent from my iPad On Mar 10, 2013, at 11:56 AM, "Richard Wheelwright" wrote: > > Well I have just finished the prop balance today. > > Conclusion > First Balance the carbs, I used the Solid State Carbmate, with no issuess at all, Simple and perfect result. > I used the the PB3 from Smartat Avionics, This seems to be a tool you have to get the feel for. It gives you fantastic prop balance data, and as you +/- wight you can feel the diferencesce in the aircraft airframe. I think this will have to be a future investmentnt. > > Thank you for the help and the lone of the PB3, Thank you for the PM suggestion too. > > -------- > Richard Wheelwright > G-IRPW > 90% finished with that 90% to Finish > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=395965#395965 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.