---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 03/17/13: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:30 AM - Videoing flight - key fob camera (graeme bird) 2. 03:43 AM - Final call for Europa Flyers to Friedrichshafen/Biberach..... (stephan cassel) 3. 04:35 AM - Re: mid-door latch - YERLY (jonathanmilbank) 4. 06:30 AM - GS Air Strobe lights (jglazener) 5. 07:18 AM - Re: Videoing flight - key fob camera (Robert Borger) 6. 09:51 AM - Re: SV: Re: SV: fuel flow and return line status (John Heykoop) 7. 09:51 AM - Re: Final call for Europa Flyers to Friedrichshafen/Biberach..... (Max Cointe) 8. 10:13 AM - Re: Videoing flight - key fob camera (graeme bird) 9. 10:24 AM - Re: GS Air Strobe lights (graeme bird) 10. 10:27 AM - Re: mid-door latch - YERLY (Alan Carter) 11. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: mid-door latch - YERLY (Bud Yerly) 12. 10:59 AM - Re: mid-door latch - YERLY (Alan Carter) 13. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Videoing flight - key fob camera (Robert Borger) 14. 01:59 PM - Re: SV: SV: fuel flow and return line status (glenn rainey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Videoing flight - key fob camera From: "graeme bird" Spoke to a helicopter modeller at Caernafon Airworld and he showed me a tiny key fob video camera which can be attached to a chopper with velco, 8 ebay (+ memory card). Checked out the quality on youtube, hard to tell the difference between them an GoPro and much smaller. Ordered a couple to see. I just couldn't see where I would put a GoPro This is the #3 apparently the #16 is higher definition, they can run for a couple of hours and even be looped so you have the most recent 2 hours. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 45 hours g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396399#396399 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:41 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Final call for Europa Flyers to Friedrichshafen/Biberach..... From: stephan cassel Hi, Final call for Europa Flyers to Friedrichshafen/Biberach.....well not really but available rooms are running out! For more information about the event please click on the link: http://aero2013.scassel.se/ You need to call the =93EuropaFlyers=94 hotel as soon as possible as they a re soon full. Phone: +497351 15970. Talk to Birgit if possible. If they are full please check *hotels.com *for available room: http://www.hotels.com/search.do?destinationId=1640080&destination=Biber ach+an+der+Riss%2C+Germany&searchParams.arrivalDate=25%2F04%2F2013&search Params.departureDate=27%2F04%2F2013&rooms=1&searchParams.rooms%5B0%5D.n umberOfAdults=1&children%5B0%5D=0&searchParams.landmark=&hotelId More information closer to the event. Hope to see you at Biberach Best regards Stephan LN-STE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:18 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: mid-door latch - YERLY From: "jonathanmilbank" When I was busy completing my doors about 17 years ago, this gap between the door forward and rear edges and the door frame made me unhappy. My solution, when bonding in the bushes for shoot bolts into the door, was to make them project enough to almost bridge the gap. Then I built up a flox/redux fillet around the projecting portion of each bush to ensure the security of the bushes. Finally I cut the pushrods to suitable lengths to make the shoot bolts engage fully into the door frames. As regards the truth of Bud's advice re cockpit gadgets, yeah, absolutely, right-on, couldn't agree more. I started flying for my living in 1967 and I'm still going strong until I retire in 2014. I've seen more gadgets than I care to remember and they're mostly helpful when flying IFR, but could be lethal when VFR if you allow them to reduce your lookout. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396402#396402 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:03 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: GS Air Strobe lights From: "jglazener" I have purchased wingtip strobe and navigation lights from GS Air. It comes with a XPAK strobe driver, a pretty large and weighty piece of kit. Anyone out there have this, and have you found a good position to mount this thing? What is the best way of running the wires? Also, the cabling to the wing would require a quick disconnect at the wing root. Any tips on what I can best use for this? -------- Jeroen http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=44165 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396406#396406 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Videoing flight - key fob camera From: Robert Borger Graeme, Link, URL, Trade Name, etc. please! I have friends with R/C models who would love something like that. I have a suction cup mount high on the passenger side door. The camera could be pointed ahead or, as I have it, off pointing about 35 (2:00 position) upside down. One needs to set the GoPro to upside down photography. Having said that, I haven't actually flown with it like that yet. And no pictures yet. Perhaps I can get out today and give it a go. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Mar 17, 2013, at 3:29 AM, graeme bird wrote: Spoke to a helicopter modeller at Caernafon Airworld and he showed me a tiny key fob video camera which can be attached to a chopper with velco, 8 ebay (+ memory card). Checked out the quality on youtube, hard to tell the difference between them an GoPro and much smaller. Ordered a couple to see. I just couldn't see where I would put a GoPro This is the #3 apparently the #16 is higher definition, they can run for a couple of hours and even be looped so you have the most recent 2 hours. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 45 hours g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396399#396399 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: SV: Re: SV: fuel flow and return line status From: John Heykoop Hi Clive The k factor of 17030 you are using for your single transducer setup is roughly 53 percent of the standard Flowscan k factor of 32000. On the strength of that I have just set the initial k factor of new my red cube transducer to 36000 (53 percent of the standard red cube k factor of 68000). I switched on the boost pump and guess what - the indicated fuel flow is 4ltrs/hr, exactly the same as yours. Many thanks for posting this information, it will give me a head start when I get my Europa back in the air. My k factor will, of course, need further fine tuning but it is good to start off with an initial k factor that is broadly correct. Regards John G-JHKP mono (Rotax 912ULS with single red cube transducer fuel flow measurement) On 15 Mar 2013, at 21:13, "Clives email" wrote: > > Hi Svein, > > Thanks for your reply. I regret that the 9lit/hr indicated figure I gave in > my last email is actually wrong - 9lit/hr is indicated with the 912ULS > running at idle and with boost pump 'on'. I just checked the boost > pump-only flow rate (my a/c is in the garage next door for the winter), and > it reads just over 4Lit/hr with a K factor of 17030 - which I think all > tallies rather well with your comments about 'spot' flow rates vs totalised > flow rates and the 9 lit/hr figures you have found. My K factor will be > specific to the sensor/Stratomaster setup of course, other combinations may > easily have different K factors. > > Regards, > > > Clive. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sidsel & Svein > Johnsen > Sent: 15 March 2013 18:19 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: SV: Europa-List: SV: Re: SV: fuel flow and return line status > > --> > > Hello Clive, > >> Thinking more about the single fuel flow setup - would you agree that >> another way of checking the restrictor is not blocked, is simply to > monitor >> that there IS fuel flow without the engine running but with the boost >> pump running? I get around 9L/hr. >> >> Assuming the float chambers are full and there are no external leaks, >> not sure where else fuel can go if it is not being consumed by a >> running > engine. . . >> >> Clive >> > > Yes, I do agree. This is effectively the same as I will do with my > two-sender set-up : momentarily switch off the feed (total) flow sender and > switch the return flow sender to the feed input as a single sender. > > Your 9L/hr return flow is close to what I measured when I, too, had a system > with only one sender - I got approx. 10L/hr. However, if you have adjusted > the k-factor to get a reasonably good totalizer function (i.e. adjusted the > k-factor so that the displayed fuel consumed on an average flight is > approximately correct), your actual return flow is higher than the displayed > flow, of course. > > Regards, > Svein > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:40 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Final call for Europa Flyers to Friedrichshafen/Biberach..... Hi Stephan, I=92m afraid that we won=92t be able to make it because of the FCL1028 (English language capacity) : my certification has ended and there is no room in the exam sessions before May 15th! (There is a bottle neck due to the change from FCL 1028 to FCL 055D). I have a meeting with a guy of the French administration this week and we will see if I can find a trick. I let you (and the hotel) know before next weekend. NB: the second ship is in the same situation. Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 450 hours F-PLDJ Dyn=92A=E9ro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1550 heures De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de stephan cassel Envoy=E9 : dimanche 17 mars 2013 11:43 =C0 : europa-list@matronics.com Objet : Europa-List: Final call for Europa Flyers to Friedrichshafen/Biberach..... Hi, Final call for Europa Flyers to Friedrichshafen/Biberach.....well not really but available rooms are running out! For more information about the event please click on the link: http://aero2013.scassel.se/ You need to call the =93EuropaFlyers=94 hotel as soon as possible as they are soon full. Phone: +497351 15970. Talk to Birgit if possible. If they are full please check hotels.com for available room: http://www.hotels.com/search.do?destinationId=1640080 &destination=Biberach+an+der+Riss%2C+Germany&searchParams.arrivalDate= 25%2F0 4%2F2013&searchParams.departureDate=27%2F04%2F2013&rooms=1&searchPara ms.room s%5B0%5D.numberOfAdults=1&children%5B0%5D=0&searchParams.landmark=& hotelId More information closer to the event. Hope to see you at Biberach Best regards Stephan LN-STE ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:38 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Videoing flight - key fob camera From: "graeme bird" http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160535561804?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 808#3 car key spy camera fob regards Graeme -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 45 hours g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396420#396420 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:43 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: GS Air Strobe lights From: "graeme bird" I fitted similar and used a 1 ft square FR4 copper clad printed circuit board straddling the rudder cables behind the baggage bay, I mounted it on two stips of ply reduxed to the floor about 2.25" wide and put my transponder antenna on the underside. I routed the cables down the tunnel and along the back of the seats. I added connectors near the spar sockets. This is not too good though as its can get wet. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 45 hours g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396424#396424 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:00 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: mid-door latch - YERLY From: "Alan Carter" Hi Jon. I believe there is quite a lot of suction on the doors in flight. If i were a builder that's exactly what i would have done. I have quit a gap between the door and frame, this most probable is the correct gap, but i don,t like it. A way of reducing this gap would be to place a 1/4" thick plate with a hole for the shoe bolt in it, this plate being fixed by 2 screws above and 2 screws below the bolt hole. Has any one done this. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396425#396425 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:52 AM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: mid-door latch - YERLY Alan, I see no one answered your email as yet. Ref Chapter 34 and 35 of the build manual: Test data: The door flex at 130 Kts and 3.8 Gs is estimated at 1/4 inch total or about 1/8 inch from each side max ( I really could only see the front bolt door movement) measured without door seals during my LSA testing of the Vortex Generators. Non scientific really. I just removed the seals and put a piece of tape on the door and marked the canopy line on the door and observed for movement in flight. My test also allowed for a non glued in cover over the latch handle, and a basic door without the thick wide door option assuring me that if the door flexed, I would see it. The VGs allow a significantly higher AOA so I had to look at another Vs as well as a new Vman or manuevering speed to make sure there were no surprises anywhere in the airframe up to Vne and there were none... Door guide distances to check for: The shoot bolt install is in your build manual and on line of course. When built properly the distance from tip to tip of the shoot bolts when in the unlatched position is supposed to be 952mm, but see below as I seem to have a bit more tinkering to do. The practical minimum distance for the un-tapered portion of the shoot bolt when installed into the door frame guide is 3/8 to 1/2 inch penetration. If it is not, rebuild them. Install / repair techniques: I personally install the shoot bolts and rods to give me 1/2 inch (12.5 mm) out of the door shoot bolt guide as a minimum, and the tip of the bolt is flush with my guide in the door when retracted. This bit of extra fitting keeps the door from wanting to bow out a bit and assures me of a solid latch even with someone or thing pushing or sucking outward on the door. Keep in mind that during install of the guides in the fuselage, they are to be nearly a contact fit between the door guide and fuselage guide of no more slop than 1-2 mm total ( I use a 1/32 inch thick washer as a placement spacer when fitting the fuselage guides to assure a tight but acceptable closing fit). Since the shoot guide in the aircraft should have at least 3/8 or 10mm of bolt resting inside it when latched, to check it, use the butt end of your vernier caliper or similar, stuck in the rear of the bolt to measure your shoot bolt installed distance into the guide, accounting for the taper of the bolt head of course. If yours does not meet the specs, order a new set of door rods and make it right. A technique is to make small adjustments to the rod in the construction (before drilling the bolt, to get the bolt extension distance right yet allow for full retraction... Then trim and round the rod end for proper movement of the tapered bolt. Some rebating of the door itself may be necessary to get the guide to stay in alignment. If you end up a bit long on the bolt, a bit of file work on the bolt tip is OK but cleanup of debris is essential. The prudent builder/craftsman measures twice, fits it many times, then drills once to install the guide to the rod for a perfect fit. Polish up the shoot bolts, assure your pins do not protrude and drag in the guide, then install the door guides carefully so as to keep the door shoot bolt perfectly straight on extension as per the manual. Done properly, the doors close easily, and latch with very little force even with the door seals installed. Regards, Bud Yerly Tech Support. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Carter To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, March 15, 2013 4:27 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: mid-door latch - YERLY > Hi All. I have the inner door handle guarded by a plate, and I have painted the closed shadow of the door handle in Red on the outside, I have greased the shoe bolts where they enter the frame, this made a world of difference in taking the strain off the door handle, they close feather light now, but also open feather light. However with the doors properly closed, how far should the shoe bolt go into the frame,bearing in mind there is a gap between door and frame, and what are the chances of the actual door flexing under airflow so the bolts could spring out you only need one to spring . Are they any tel tell signs that could point to this happening, the possibilities in turbulence or a dive to VNE. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396341#396341 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:43 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: mid-door latch - YERLY From: "Alan Carter" Hi Bud. Many thanks for your information, as i am checking a built aircraft, If i close the door with the handle in latched position, and on the frame i should see 3/8 to 1/2" of the "round shoe bolt rod" entering the door frame, ignoring the tapperd length. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396429#396429 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Videoing flight - key fob camera From: Robert Borger graeme, Thanks very much. Flew for an hour yesterday. Winds 16G26, bumpy and unpleasant. Better today, but not going to airport. Allergies have been acting up for several days and I finally had to take antihistamines. So no flying today. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Mar 17, 2013, at 12:13 PM, graeme bird wrote: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/160535561804?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649 808#3 car key spy camera fob regards Graeme -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 45 hours g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396420#396420 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:59:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: SV: SV: fuel flow and return line status From: glenn rainey Clive, group, My recollection is the FS02 sits with the recess upstream, in other words on the carb side not the tank side - visible when you poke it into the hose - it's firmly lodged in there, and removal needs cutting some hose; it will not migrate? I am nervous about any solution which involves just poking the aperture clear of blockage. I am also concerned about a tiny restrictor fitting pushed into a hose and maybe 'forgotten', out of the interval inspection list too. This tiny hole is vulnerable to collecting debris, so if found blocked the fix should I think involve root-cause discovery - in our case it was probably perishing hose beyond swap out interval -there's plenty of it in the Europa as we know. Prevention is perhaps the next step? Again, methinks an in-line filter upstream, but many extra variables there plus the whole issue of 'Approval', so we've not considered that further. Our Rotax agent pointed out that the carb has internally a similar sized aperture in the fuel path. Glenn Rainey G-OJHL Cumbernauld,Scotland ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.