---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/23/13: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:11 PM - Re: Weight and Balance Scales (jonathanmilbank) 2. 04:46 PM - Tricycle W. & B. wheel distances A.O.D. (jonathanmilbank) 3. 04:59 PM - Re: Tricycle W. & B. wheel distances A.O.D. (Robert Borger) 4. 05:23 PM - Re: Tricycle W. & B. wheel distances A.O.D. (jonathanmilbank) 5. 05:25 PM - Re: Classic Locking Fuel Cap urgent (Alan Carter) 6. 05:25 PM - Re: Tricycle W. & B. wheel distances A.O.D. (jonathanmilbank) 7. 05:34 PM - Re: Re: Classic Locking Fuel Cap urgent (Robert Borger) 8. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: Tricycle W. & B. wheel distances A.O.D. (Robert Borger) 9. 11:04 PM - SV: Re: Tricycle W. & B. wheel distances A.O.D. (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:43 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Weight and Balance Scales From: "jonathanmilbank" More help please anyone. Today I did a provisional measurement of the wheels aft of datum and tomorrow I'm going to do it again with even greater accuracy, hoping that my first effort wasn't too wildly wrong. Please look at the measurement for your trigear aircraft and give me your figures. My nose wheel is 14.6" AOD and the mains are 69.75" AOD. With any luck, your data will be close to mine. Interestingly though is that when my left door sill was level, the joggle where engine lower cowl meets fuselage isn't perfectly vertical. It's tilted a degree or two "nose down" on both sides. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396873#396873 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:46:13 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Tricycle W. & B. wheel distances A.O.D. From: "jonathanmilbank" Because there is a short time before my inspector comes to do my weight and balance check on Tues 26th March, I'm repeating here the last request I made under a different heading: "More help please anyone. Today I did a provisional measurement of the wheels aft of datum and tomorrow I'm going to do it again with even greater accuracy, hoping that my first effort wasn't too wildly wrong. Please look at the measurement for your trigear aircraft and give me your figures. My nose wheel is 14.6" AOD (371mm) and the mains are 69.75" AOD (1772mm). With any luck, your data will be close to mine. Interestingly though is that when my left door sill was level, the joggle where engine lower cowl meets fuselage isn't perfectly vertical. It's tilted a degree or two "nose down" on both sides." The weather in Scotland is very cold and snowy for March and I'm trying to save my inspector from suffering too long in a freezing hangar. Ideally I'd like to have all the spadework done so that he only needs to read the weights on his three scales, then go to the clubhouse for coffee while completing the paperwork. He isn't so young any more and shouldn't be asked to endure the cold any longer than really necessary. Your help in this matter will be gratefully received. Many thanks. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396883#396883 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tricycle W. & B. wheel distances A.O.D. From: Robert Borger Jonathan, My measurements are 70.25" for the mains and 15.25" for the nose gear. I'll send you a copy of my W&B spreadsheet. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Mar 23, 2013, at 6:45 PM, jonathanmilbank wrote: Because there is a short time before my inspector comes to do my weight and balance check on Tues 26th March, I'm repeating here the last request I made under a different heading: "More help please anyone. Today I did a provisional measurement of the wheels aft of datum and tomorrow I'm going to do it again with even greater accuracy, hoping that my first effort wasn't too wildly wrong. Please look at the measurement for your trigear aircraft and give me your figures. My nose wheel is 14.6" AOD (371mm) and the mains are 69.75" AOD (1772mm). With any luck, your data will be close to mine. Interestingly though is that when my left door sill was level, the joggle where engine lower cowl meets fuselage isn't perfectly vertical. It's tilted a degree or two "nose down" on both sides." The weather in Scotland is very cold and snowy for March and I'm trying to save my inspector from suffering too long in a freezing hangar. Ideally I'd like to have all the spadework done so that he only needs to read the weights on his three scales, then go to the clubhouse for coffee while completing the paperwork. He isn't so young any more and shouldn't be asked to endure the cold any longer than really necessary. Your help in this matter will be gratefully received. Many thanks. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:52 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Tricycle W. & B. wheel distances A.O.D. From: "jonathanmilbank" Thanks for such a quick response, Rick. I look forward to receiving that data from you. If anyone else can supply with their figures by Monday evening UK time, that would also be really helpful to get an idea of the average distances. It's interesting that my nose wheel and main wheel figures differ from yours Rick by about half and inch i.e. the approximate width of the joggle. I'm going to check again tomorrow anyway, because today I did a somewhat "rough and ready" trial. I dangled my plumb bob from the rear corner of the joggle where the lower cowling rear edge ends. I wonder whether anyone, like Europa in Yorkshire, has ever collated these measurements for general reference. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396885#396885 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:19 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Classic Locking Fuel Cap urgent From: "Alan Carter" Hi. Take the bull by the horns, A small video camera, and catch the bugger on camera. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396886#396886 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:37 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Tricycle W. & B. wheel distances A.O.D. From: "jonathanmilbank" Thanks for such a quick response, Rick. I look forward to receiving that data from you. If anyone else can supply with their figures by Monday evening UK time, that would also be really helpful to get an idea of the average distances. It's interesting that my nose wheel and main wheel figures differ from yours Rick by about half and inch i.e. the approximate width of the joggle. I'm going to check again tomorrow anyway, because today I did a somewhat "rough and ready" trial. I dangled my plumb bob from the rear corner of the joggle where the lower cowling rear edge ends. I wonder whether anyone, like Europa in Yorkshire, has ever collated these measurements for general reference. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396887#396887 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Classic Locking Fuel Cap urgent From: Robert Borger All, Or set up an inexpensive game camera in an unobtrusive location. You can purchase them through The Sportsman's Guide ( sportsmansguide.com ), Bass Pro Shops ( basspro.com ), Cabella's ( Cabellas.com ) or your local sporting goods store. All are adjustable for photo interval and some will even capture short video clips. Most do daytime color and night B&W in infrared. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Mar 23, 2013, at 7:25 PM, Alan Carter wrote: Hi. Take the bull by the horns, A small video camera, and catch the bugger on camera. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=396886#396886 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Tricycle W. & B. wheel distances A.O.D. From: Robert Borger Jonathan, My measurements are from the aft edge of the joggle. I can see where there could be 1/2" or more difference between tri-gear installations. Very small differences in gear angles can easily produce that at the axle. The important thing is that both main gear should have the same distance measurement. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On Mar 23, 2013, at 7:23 PM, jonathanmilbank wrote: Thanks for such a quick response, Rick. I look forward to receiving that data from you. If anyone else can supply with their figures by Monday evening UK time, that would also be really helpful to get an idea of the average distances. It's interesting that my nose wheel and main wheel figures differ from yours Rick by about half and inch i.e. the approximate width of the joggle. I'm going to check again tomorrow anyway, because today I did a somewhat "rough and ready" trial. I dangled my plumb bob from the rear corner of the joggle where the lower cowling rear edge ends. I wonder whether anyone, like Europa in Yorkshire, has ever collated these measurements for general reference. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:51 PM PST US From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" Subject: SV: Europa-List: Re: Tricycle W. & B. wheel distances A.O.D. Jonathan, I measured the following distances: Front wheel: 368 mm - 14.48" Left main wheel: 1776 mm - 69.92" Left right wheel: 1779 mm - 70.04" Good luck. 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