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1. 08:41 AM - Re: Aileron setup (AirEupora)
2. 01:00 PM - Re: Aileron setup (Richard Wheelwright)
3. 01:47 PM - Re: Re: Aileron setup (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
4. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: Aileron setup (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron setup |
I'm wondering what you are using for your neutral point. I followed Bud's suggestion
and came out on the money, but it did take a couple of tries before using
his method. Bud whats you to use the bottom of the ailerons at the splint
between ailerons and flaps. I used an electronic type of level.
The two angles in the fuselage have to be vertical. Then the two angles on the
wings have to be vertical. Follow on out to the bell crank making sure you have
full travel here and that the bellcrank is in neutral position. The ailerons
will be the last.
I have read a number of the fellow Europa builders that fly with a little up aileron.
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron setup |
OK
After another full day trying to get the Ailerons set up with failed result.
It is simply, I have too much down and not enough up on the both Ailerons. The
results are
STBD
21.4 Up
22.1 Down
43.5 Total Movement
Port
23.1 Down
21.4 Up
44.5 Total
Should Be near to
22.5 Min to 25.5 Max UP
19 Min 22 Max Down
41.5 Min to 47.5 Max Total
Setup as by the book. QDs in the Fuselage and the Wing root vertical Stops at 24
degrees before wings rigged and adjustments.
On trying to correct so there is less down throw by altering the long lateral
pushrod in the wing in the opposite so it hits the stop, stopping the opposite
aileron going down too far. OK now I measured the deflection it is now correct
from its new position Not Neutral but slightly up. Now to bring the aileron
back to neutral I have to shorten the aileron link rod. On doing so it puts the
aileron back to exactly where I started from ???? Nothing gained at all just
a waste of time.
All I have to do is to get less down and more up. What am I missing ???
AirEupora I have Used Buds method a few times now and yes it works every time for
the first setup to get everything in the neutral position. BUT still too much
DOWN and not enough UP
John, Im getting within the correct ratio limits as you will see from above. It
all just wants the deflections moving up about 2 degrees.
Any suggestions will be very welcome :x
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Richard Wheelwright
G-IRPW
90% finished with that 90% to Finish
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron setup |
Richard=0AStart with the short push rod in the wing , set it so that the ai
leron gets 23.5 up then hits the stop in the wing. (wing out of=0Athe airpl
ane.)=0ANext set the wing root bellcrank vertical with aileron neutral. (lo
ng push rod)=0AThen adjust the in fuselage push rods to match the wings wit
h the wings rigged.=0AIt's important that the aileron stops work and not th
e balance weights hitting the skin first.=0AGraham=0A=0ANote! all from memo
ry so no guarantee. =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: R
ichard Wheelwright <rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.
com =0ASent: Sunday, 31 March 2013, 20:58=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: Ailer
wheelwright@yahoo.co.uk>=0A=0AOK=0A=C2- After another full day trying to
get the Ailerons set up with failed result. It is simply, I have too much
down and not enough up on the both Ailerons.=C2- The results are=0A=0ASTB
D=0A21.4 Up=0A22.1 Down=0A43.5 Total Movement=0A=0APort=0A23.1 Down=0A21.4
Up=0A44.5 Total=0A=0AShould Be near to=0A22.5 Min to 25.5 Max=C2- UP=0A19
Min 22 Max Down=0A41.5 Min to 47.5 Max=C2- Total=0A=0ASetup as by the bo
ok. QD=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s in the Fuselage and the Wing root vertical
Stops at 24 degrees before wings rigged and adjustments.=0A=0AOn trying to
correct so there=C2- is less down throw by altering the long lateral push
rod in the wing in the opposite so it hits the stop, stopping the opposite
aileron going down too far. OK now I measured the deflection it is now corr
ect from its new position Not Neutral but slightly up. Now to bring the ail
eron back to neutral I have to shorten the aileron link rod. On doing so it
puts the aileron back to exactly where I started from ????=C2- Nothing g
ained at all just a waste of time. =0A=0AAll I have to do is to get less do
wn and more up.=C2- What am I missing ???=0A=0AAirEupora I have Used Buds
method a few times now and yes it works every time for the first setup to
get everything in the neutral position. BUT still too much DOWN and not eno
ugh UP=0A=0AJohn, I=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2m getting within the correct rat
io limits as you will see from above. It all just wants the deflections mov
ing up about 2 degrees.=C2- =0A=0AAny suggestions will be very welcome=C2
- :x=0A=0A--------=0ARichard Wheelwright=0AG-IRPW=0A90% finished with tha
t 90% to Finish=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://foru
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| Subject: | Re: Aileron setup |
Flying with a little bit of up aileron is not a bad thing, bit of washout b
ut also reduces drag in the cruise. =0AI tried to line up the flaps with th
e ailerons. The print out of the section from Don's digital figures =0Agave
a small amount of reflex at the trailing edge. Just like the gliders use.
=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: AirEupora
<AirEupora@sbcglobal.net>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday,
31 March 2013, 16:40=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: Aileron setup=0A =0A--> E
uropa-List message posted by: "AirEupora" <AirEupora@sbcglobal.net>=0A=0AI'
m wondering what you are using for your neutral point.=C2- I followed Bud
's suggestion and came out on the money, but it did take a couple of tries
before using his method.=C2- Bud what=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s you to use
the bottom of the ailerons at the splint between ailerons and flaps.=C2-
I used an electronic type of level. =0AThe two angles in the fuselage have
to be vertical.=C2- Then the two angles on the wings have to be vertical
.=C2- Follow on out to the bell crank making sure you have full travel he
re and that the bellcrank is in neutral position.=C2- The ailerons will b
e the last.=C2- =0AI have read a number of the fellow Europa builders tha
t fly with a little up aileron.=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:
=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=397419#397419=0A=0A=0A
- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Adm
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