---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/12/13: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:57 AM - Re: Mountain Flying (Roland) 2. 02:02 AM - Re: Re: Mountain Flying (Pete Lawless) 3. 02:02 AM - Re: Re: Mountain Flying (David Joyce) 4. 03:48 AM - Le Touquet (David Joyce) 5. 12:12 PM - Re: gas struts (LeeVaughan) 6. 12:16 PM - memory map caa on android (graeme bird) 7. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: gas struts (Bob Harrison) 8. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: Mountain Flying (craig) 9. 11:34 PM - Re: Mountain Flying (Mark Burton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:17 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mountain Flying From: "Roland" Hi, I'm planning for a trip to the Alps this summer and go up there to about 15.000 ft. I wonder about the necessity to use oxygen. Is there anyone who regularly flies high altitude and which system do you use? I'm thinking about the Mountain High O2D2 with cannulas which is also quite popular in the sailplane community. There are also little emergency oxygen cans available but their intended use is for an emergency descent in case of a malfunction in the O2-system. I've heard of some who fly even at FL 200 without O2, but also heard of few who cannot share their experiences about that I know the rules and wouldn't encourage anyone to break them. I only want to assess risks and maybe get tips about O2-systems. Btw: I'm a nonesmoker. Thanks Roland XS Trigear 914 PH-ZTI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398494#398494 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:44 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Mountain Flying Hi Roland I always used to use oxygen above 10,000 feet when I had my Twin Com. When doing my initial pilot training we went in a depressurization chamber to demonstrate the effects of lack of oxygen. I was the member of the group who had my oxygen turned off by the instructor on the way up. I passed out just above 15,000 feet. At the time I was 19 years of age, very fit and a non smoker so it just depends on your physiology. Since then I have skied at 15,000 feet but obviously I had had time to acclimatize to he altitude. Can't advise on portable oxygen systems never used one. Personally I would not take the risk of high altitude without oxygen. The biggest danger is that you don't realize hypoxia is happening to you. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: 12 April 2013 08:57 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mountain Flying Hi, I'm planning for a trip to the Alps this summer and go up there to about 15.000 ft. I wonder about the necessity to use oxygen. Is there anyone who regularly flies high altitude and which system do you use? I'm thinking about the Mountain High O2D2 with cannulas which is also quite popular in the sailplane community. There are also little emergency oxygen cans available but their intended use is for an emergency descent in case of a malfunction in the O2-system. I've heard of some who fly even at FL 200 without O2, but also heard of few who cannot share their experiences about that I know the rules and wouldn't encourage anyone to break them. I only want to assess risks and maybe get tips about O2-systems. Btw: I'm a nonesmoker. Thanks Roland XS Trigear 914 PH-ZTI Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398494#398494 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Houxou, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:44 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Mountain Flying Roland, When I researched the question a few years back (whilst planning to fly to Australia at 10,000ft - which was abandoned in the end) the Mountain High system seemed the clear best bet. It is not cheap but you can (at least in this country) hire them or possibly borrow one from a gliding friend. If you are just planning to fly through the Alps then none of the passes are significantly more than 10,000ft and you can get away without oxygen. I ski comfortably at 10,000ft along with several friends the wrong side of 70. Historically lots of glider pilots have been up to 17,000ft without oxygen and only a few of them fell out of the sky! One thing I would reccomend is a pulse oximeter which can be bought online for 50 euros or less and can give you some way of checking you are not going hypoxic, although speaking as a doctor, knowing quite what % oxygen saturation to accept is not easy! None of my anaesthetic friends who use them all the time could give me a sensible answer about what level is acceptable & compatible with normal brain function in a conscious healthy person. I had planned an experimental sortie going up with another pilot with him using oxygen and me not to record oxygen saturation, mental agility and flying correctness at various density altitudes, and also checking whether things deteriorated when staying at the same altitude for a length of time. My Oz trip was abandoned before I got to that - a pity really! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On Fri, 12 Apr 2013 00:56:35 -0700 "Roland" wrote: > > > Hi, > > I'm planning for a trip to the Alps this summer and go >up there to about 15.000 ft. I wonder about the necessity >to use oxygen. Is there anyone who regularly flies high >altitude and which system do you use? I'm thinking about >the Mountain High O2D2 with cannulas which is also quite >popular in the sailplane community. There are also little >emergency oxygen cans available but their intended use is >for an emergency descent in case of a malfunction in the >O2-system. > > I've heard of some who fly even at FL 200 without O2, >but also heard of few who cannot share their experiences >about that > > I know the rules and wouldn't encourage anyone to break >them. I only want to assess risks and maybe get tips >about O2-systems. > > Btw: I'm a nonesmoker. > > Thanks > Roland > > XS Trigear 914 > PH-ZTI > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398494#398494 > > > > > > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:32 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Europa-List: Le Touquet Just to remind folk that the Club trip to Le Touquet will be on 11 May. I have arranged good weather! Anyone interested be in touch and I will send a briefing sheet. We normally have about 6 planes with oldtimers in and another one or two Channel Virgins, and the system is geared to giving full support to first timers as well as a cracking sea food lunch for everyone! Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:12 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: gas struts From: "LeeVaughan" I was looking for the same and sent the part number to the manufacturer here's their reply: The part number you have looks correct at GS 8699-1. Our records show that this was supplied complete with end fittings. If you could take a look at this link http://www.industrialgassprings.com/uk/prod_info.asp?GS_No=F06-B hopefully this is the ball joint you have? If not could you please advise, there is a very slim chance that you have an imperial thread rather than M5 stud. If I can be of any further assistance please do contact me. Best regards James Godbold Field Sales Manager Industrial Gas Springs Ltd Mobile 07768 490106 Direct 020 8646 6596 x702 james@igsltd.co.uk Sales 020 8646 6595 020 8646 6594 22 Wates Way, Mitcham, Surrey, CR4 4HR www.industrialgassprings.com Also Bansbach has what I'm told is an exact replacement as well. Item #AF641-104 Description: B3B3F46-100-300--001/165N for $101.34 I ended up ordering this one and it has a 6 week lead time in the US. I haven't received it yet. One thing to note at least on the cylinder I have the end fittings are special in that it is an 8mm ball and imperial threads 10-32 which no one admits to having. Cheers, Lee -------- Lee Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398520#398520 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:16:26 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: memory map caa on android From: "graeme bird" I see memory map now have the caa maps for android as well as mobile PC and iPhone/pad. Has anyone tried them on an android tablet? I have used one on my iphone for a few years but its a tad tiny. 600 more for a ipad mini is a lot to give a company I loathe. 20 per map is ok though. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 55 hours 1 year g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398521#398521 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:30 PM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: gas struts Hi! All Yes, that was the outfit who recharged my gas struts, quick turnround and very obliging outfit. Regards Bob Harrison. G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of LeeVaughan Sent: 12 April 2013 20:11 Subject: Europa-List: Re: gas struts I was looking for the same and sent the part number to the manufacturer here's their reply: The part number you have looks correct at GS 8699-1. Our records show that this was supplied complete with end fittings. If you could take a look at this link http://www.industrialgassprings.com/uk/prod_info.asp?GS_No=F06-B hopefully this is the ball joint you have? If not could you please advise, there is a very slim chance that you have an imperial thread rather than M5 stud. If I can be of any further assistance please do contact me. Best regards James Godbold Field Sales Manager Industrial Gas Springs Ltd Mobile 07768 490106 Direct 020 8646 6596 x702 james@igsltd.co.uk Sales 020 8646 6595 020 8646 6594 22 Wates Way, Mitcham, Surrey, CR4 4HR www.industrialgassprings.com Also Bansbach has what I'm told is an exact replacement as well. Item #AF641-104 Description: B3B3F46-100-300--001/165N for $101.34 I ended up ordering this one and it has a 6 week lead time in the US. I haven't received it yet. One thing to note at least on the cylinder I have the end fittings are special in that it is an 8mm ball and imperial threads 10-32 which no one admits to having. Cheers, Lee -------- Lee Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=398520#398520 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:39 PM PST US From: "craig" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Mountain Flying If your interested, you can buy the finger size pulse ox machines online, they are small Light and give you sats for oxygen in your blood as well as pulse rate, they are normally Around $100 or so, could be a good investment even if you are ON oxygen, should the system fail You would have an early warning your blood oxygen levels are dropping Good flying craig ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:29 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Mountain Flying From: "Mark Burton" Hi, Normals sats for a healthy (and non-COPD) person are 94-98%. Below 88% is considered poor and would warrant high flow oxygen (15 LPM) through a non-rebreathing mask in the emergency situation. 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