---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/21/13: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:40 AM - Re: UK Value Added Tax on (re)-imported Europa (Richard Lamprey) 2. 09:48 AM - altimeter encoder problem (David Joyce) 3. 09:54 AM - Re: Re: UK Value Added Tax on (re)-imported Europa (Fred Klein) 4. 01:13 PM - Re: altimeter encoder problem (Bud Yerly) 5. 01:33 PM - Re: altimeter encoder problem (David Joyce) 6. 02:51 PM - Europa kit for sale (Don Pettey) 7. 03:55 PM - Europa XS Monowheel For Sale (Myron Haluschak) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:44 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: UK Value Added Tax on (re)-imported Europa From: "Richard Lamprey" Dear Philip, Thank you so much for your very comprehensive reply. I have been resident in Kenya many years (since 1973), and so was not domiciled in UK when I bought Europa kit 168 (in 1995). It was the first complete kit out of the Europa factory, and I paid GBP 19200 for the whole thing (including 912 engine), and it was shipped out of the country VAT-free (ie no VAT paid); ie as a direct export from the factory, although I arranged the transport to Heathrow (where it it was eventually flown out in one long crate in a special large door DC-10). I constructed the whole thing myself, and it flew in June 1999. I have most of the paperwork of purchase, and in addition, it was a Kenya requirement that a pre-shipment inspection be done. This was done by the Swiss company Cotecna, who valued the whole kit at the factory at GBP 19500. Looking back through the records, the duty I would have paid stood at 17%. It is beginning to look like I will be asked to pay VAT if/when it comes back in! I would have the following questions: 1. Would it be on the purchase value, or on some amount HMRC think it is now worth (maybe more)? Or depreciated value? 2. Would this duty be 17%, or the current 20%.? Philip, thanks again. Looks like getting it back into UK will be more difficult than getting the kit into Kenya, and flying, and still flying, which I could write a book about. All best Richard Kenya Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399040#399040 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:56 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Europa-List: altimeter encoder problem I would be grateful for any expert avionics view out there on the question of the likely fault in my altitude encoding on a Garmin GTX 328 transponder. This produces entirely sensible altitude read outs as I climb to FL60 and then starts to show gently diminishing read outs as I go higher, so may be reading something like FL50 when I get to 10,000ft. There are 10 wires connecting encoder to Transponder (or at least they should be connecting!). Would you experts feel it is most likely that I have a wiring fault or that I have a defective encoder? It has done this since fitted new. Regards, David Joyce G-XSDJ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: UK Value Added Tax on (re)-imported Europa From: Fred Klein On Apr 21, 2013, at 6:39 AM, Richard Lamprey wrote: > Looks like getting it back into UK will be more difficult than getting the kit into Kenya, and flying, and still flying, which I could write a book about. Richard, Ever since I first heard of your Kenyan Europa I have been amazed at what you've accomplished...in light of your many talents, I'm confident that you will prevail over these latest challenges. ...I hope you find time to write that book, Fred, still building ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:24 PM PST US From: "Bud Yerly" Subject: Re: Europa-List: altimeter encoder problem David, Not that I am an expert on the 328, but we have a number flying successfully. It is pretty much a plug and play piece of equipment. It sounds as if your altitude encoder is separate and not part of an EFIS. If it is encoding properly at low altitude or sea level, but not at altitude, then your wiring is sound, it is the encoder. You can use your Z component of your GPS to verify that the rest of your static system is sound in flight. If the altitude encoding is in error as altitude increases only, then it is in the encoder static pot itself. However, to be safe, check your pitot tube for the W34 black static port attached well and secure to the lower pitot tube also. Any leak in the system (especially in the wing) will cause errors with speed and angle of attack. Of course if the W34 is missing, your static system is hooked to a pitot source which is really bad. Ameriking encoders as well as ACK are quite reliable, but if they fail, which it sounds as if it has an internal static leak, you will need a proper pitot static check by a qualified avionics shop to verify. A crude check is to disconnect the static line from the encoder and run it to a very light suction hand pump to check pressure vs readout. Of course you will need the temp and atmospheric tables also to establish the proper QNH. For the very brave, only connect the altimeter and encoder together with a static line and use a light duty vacuum hand pump to increase the altitude and verify the readout on the 328 display with the altimeter. If you pull too much suction or leave the airspeed attached, you will break costly equipment. So as you can see, it is best to just go to an avionics shop and get a proper checkout as they have the calibrated equipment to do the job quickly and correctly... If you built your panel for easy removal, your avionics shop will appreciate it. Note to all, it is prudent to have the pitot static system verified prior to first flight, and every two years after that by a qualified avionics shop. Altimeters, encoders, and EFIS systems do fail. It is best to have them checked periodically. For years, I have simply pulled one inch of vacuum on my static system and checked the altimeter at 1000 feet increase, and the airspeed increases to 135 KIAS, the Vertical Speed Indicator is checked for rate of climb and the entire system checked that it will hold for 60 seconds. However, at altitude, our absolute indicators may have small leaks and lie to us. I still do my 1000 foot check just as a security blanket, but insist on a proper certified pitot static check prior to first flight. Best Regards, Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: David Joyce To: europa list Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 12:47 PM Subject: Europa-List: altimeter encoder problem > I would be grateful for any expert avionics view out there on the question of the likely fault in my altitude encoding on a Garmin GTX 328 transponder. This produces entirely sensible altitude read outs as I climb to FL60 and then starts to show gently diminishing read outs as I go higher, so may be reading something like FL50 when I get to 10,000ft. There are 10 wires connecting encoder to Transponder (or at least they should be connecting!). Would you experts feel it is most likely that I have a wiring fault or that I have a defective encoder? It has done this since fitted new. Regards, David Joyce G-XSDJ http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:44 PM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: altimeter encoder problem Bud, thanks for that. I do a lot of group flying including trips like going down over Spain at altitudes of 10,000ft or more. This has given me the chance of checking my conventional altimeter and EFIS altimeter not only with bits of passing scenery but also with my friends in formation. This has shown that both altimeters are on the ball but that the transponder gives false readings. They are all on the same static line so I am reluctant to suspect the 'plumbing' As I said there is close correspondence up to around 6000 ft and then transponder read out goes down as height on altimeter or GPS or observing scenery goes up. It is a separate encoder and from what you say it sounds a though it needs replacing, or is there some way of sorting out a duff encoder static pot? Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 16:11:50 -0400 "Bud Yerly" wrote: > David, > Not that I am an expert on the 328, but we have a number >flying successfully. It is pretty much a plug and play >piece of equipment. > It sounds as if your altitude encoder is separate and >not part of an EFIS. > If it is encoding properly at low altitude or sea level, >but not at altitude, then your wiring is sound, it is the >encoder. You can use your Z component of your GPS to >verify that the rest of your static system is sound in >flight. > > If the altitude encoding is in error as altitude >increases only, then it is in the encoder static pot >itself. However, to be safe, check your pitot tube for >the W34 black static port attached well and secure to the >lower pitot tube also. Any leak in the system >(especially in the wing) will cause errors with speed and >angle of attack. Of course if the W34 is missing, your >static system is hooked to a pitot source which is really >bad. > > Ameriking encoders as well as ACK are quite reliable, >but if they fail, which it sounds as if it has an >internal static leak, you will need a proper pitot static >check by a qualified avionics shop to verify. > > A crude check is to disconnect the static line from the >encoder and run it to a very light suction hand pump to >check pressure vs readout. Of course you will need the >temp and atmospheric tables also to establish the proper >QNH. For the very brave, only connect the altimeter and >encoder together with a static line and use a light duty >vacuum hand pump to increase the altitude and verify the >readout on the 328 display with the altimeter. If you >pull too much suction or leave the airspeed attached, you >will break costly equipment. So as you can see, it is >best to just go to an avionics shop and get a proper >checkout as they have the calibrated equipment to do the >job quickly and correctly... If you built your panel for >easy removal, your avionics shop will appreciate it. > > Note to all, it is prudent to have the pitot static >system verified prior to first flight, and every two >years after that by a qualified avionics shop. > Altimeters, encoders, and EFIS systems do fail. It is >best to have them checked periodically. For years, I >have simply pulled one inch of vacuum on my static system >and checked the altimeter at 1000 feet increase, and the >airspeed increases to 135 KIAS, the Vertical Speed >Indicator is checked for rate of climb and the entire >system checked that it will hold for 60 seconds. > However, at altitude, our absolute indicators may have >small leaks and lie to us. I still do my 1000 foot check >just as a security blanket, but insist on a proper >certified pitot static check prior to first flight. > > > > Best Regards, > Bud Yerly > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Joyce > To: europa list > Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 12:47 PM > Subject: Europa-List: altimeter encoder problem > > >> > > > I would be grateful for any expert avionics view out >there > on the question of the likely fault in my altitude > encoding on a Garmin GTX 328 transponder. This produces > entirely sensible altitude read outs as I climb to FL60 > and then starts to show gently diminishing read outs as >I > go higher, so may be reading something like FL50 when I > get to 10,000ft. There are 10 wires connecting encoder >to > Transponder (or at least they should be connecting!). > Would you experts feel it is most likely that I have a > wiring fault or that I have a defective encoder? It has > done this since fitted new. > Regards, David Joyce G-XSDJ > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:12 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Europa kit for sale From: Don Pettey I have decided to sell my Europa XS kit. It is the fast build with a tri-gear conversion kit. The wings are finished and the cockpit module is finished and ready to bond in place. The ailerons, flaps, rudder and elevator are fiberglassed from the factory. The cockpit module is configured for the tri-gear conversion, but can be restored to the original mono-wheel setup. All workmanship is excellent with photo log. Located in Southern California. Asking $12000. 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