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1. 02:20 AM - Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support (philip george)
2. 02:30 AM - Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support (Dave Glowa)
3. 02:44 AM - Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support (David Joyce)
4. 02:54 AM - Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support (Tim Ward)
5. 03:29 AM - Electrical Connectors (Tony Renshaw)
6. 03:35 AM - Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support (flyingphil2)
7. 06:16 AM - Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support (hagargs)
8. 07:36 AM - Re: Electrical Connectors (Rowland Carson)
9. 08:09 AM - Re: Electrical Connectors (Fred Klein)
10. 08:57 AM - Rubberhoses, repacement? (Jerry Rehn)
11. 09:29 AM - Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support (h&jeuropa)
12. 09:31 AM - Re: Rubberhoses, repacement? (Philip Levi)
13. 10:04 AM - Re: Sad News (Tower, Frederick)
14. 01:52 PM - thruxton today (g-fizy)
15. 06:20 PM - Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support (Gavin Lee)
16. 08:28 PM - Re: Rubberhoses, repacement? (Bud Yerly)
17. 09:07 PM - =?windows-1252?Q?Fitting_Silicon_Hoses=85=2EQuestion_regarding_c?= =?windows-1252?Q?lamps? (Tony Renshaw)
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| Subject: | Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support |
Richard i built my own version of the factory trailer and yes the only supp
ort for the fuselage is the ramp ally channel that fits snugly either side
of the u/c main channel . I added two support pad blocks 4"x4" between the
the wing sling supports and the side of the fuselage. These pads sit agai
nst the area of the fuselage covered by the wing root in front of the spar
hole . The pads are made from plywood covered in upholstery foam and PVC ec
t. It works well and takes the sideways rock out of the fuselage =2C if i c
an find some photos i will send them .
Phil George (G-EORJ) mono
> Subject: Europa-List: Europa monowheel trailer=2C fuselage support
> From: lamprey.richard@gmail.com
> Date: Mon=2C 29 Apr 2013 23:29:13 -0700
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
il.com>
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> Good morning all=2C
>
> I have photos of the original Europa monowheel trailer=2C from the factor
y (when I visited in 1995)=2C and from other kind contributors to this site
. The factory one has G-ELSA parked in it=2C so in the photos the wings ob
scure the fuselage. Photos from others don't have the Europa in it.
>
> I have the only Europa in this region of the world=2C so I cant see a tra
iler in real life=2C all I have is photos.
>
> This may sound stupid=2C but I can't for the life of me work out what kee
ps the fuselage upright=2C except for the mainwheel and leg lodged in their
hinged cradle. There must be significant forces on the cradle=2C its hing
e=2C and on the undercarriage swinging arm and its hinges onto the undercar
riage frame.
>
> There is a gap between fuselage and wing cradles=2C so the cradles don't
seem to be doing any support.
>
> So it would seem that the wheel cradle keeps the whole plot upright=2C an
d strong enough to counter any tipping forces as the thing goes around corn
ers. This might be fine for mirror smooth UK country lanes at 40 km/hr=2C
but on our Kenya roads=2C which are mostly holes=2C this isn't going to wor
k.
>
> Perhaps I have missed something here. Does anyone have a Europa factory-
style monowheel trailer with fuselage supports=2C or a fuselage cradle? An
d can send me pictures?
>
> Thanks
> Richard
> Kenya
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399643#399643
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support |
Richard
You may find the answers to your question if you go to the Europa Club Gall
ery, Bob Borger has posted a set of pictures for the monowheel trailer date
d 6th December 2012.
I am also at the stage where I need a trailer and I too have concerns as to
whether the Europa trailer can cope with our roads, you have probably got
better ones than we have in West Yorkshire.
If anyone has got the dimensions available I would be pleased to know. If y
ou can build a plane I am sure you can build the trailer.
Regards
Dave Glowa
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support |
Richard, An alternative is to build a dolly for the plane
which bolts tightly on to the plane with 4 bolts into
captive (potted in) nuts in the fuselage with the dolly
fixed to the trailer with wing nut bolts. The dolly is
extremely useful for working on the plane and worth having
in its own right. For this to work nicely you need a flat
bed trailer, or better still of course a covered one.
Regards, David Joyce, GXSDJ
On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 23:29:13 -0700
"Richard Lamprey" <lamprey.richard@gmail.com> wrote:
><lamprey.richard@gmail.com>
>
> Good morning all,
>
> I have photos of the original Europa monowheel trailer,
>from the factory (when I visited in 1995), and from other
>kind contributors to this site. The factory one has
>G-ELSA parked in it, so in the photos the wings obscure
>the fuselage. Photos from others don't have the Europa
>in it.
>
> I have the only Europa in this region of the world, so I
>cant see a trailer in real life, all I have is photos.
>
> This may sound stupid, but I can't for the life of me
>work out what keeps the fuselage upright, except for the
>mainwheel and leg lodged in their hinged cradle. There
>must be significant forces on the cradle, its hinge, and
>on the undercarriage swinging arm and its hinges onto the
>undercarriage frame.
>
> There is a gap between fuselage and wing cradles, so the
>cradles don't seem to be doing any support.
>
> So it would seem that the wheel cradle keeps the whole
>plot upright, and strong enough to counter any tipping
>forces as the thing goes around corners. This might be
>fine for mirror smooth UK country lanes at 40 km/hr, but
>on our Kenya roads, which are mostly holes, this isn't
>going to work.
>
> Perhaps I have missed something here. Does anyone have
>a Europa factory-style monowheel trailer with fuselage
>supports, or a fuselage cradle? And can send me
>pictures?
>
> Thanks
> Richard
> Kenya
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399643#399643
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>
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>Forums!
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support |
Richard,
I installed a foam support between the wing support and the fuselage to keep
the fuselage in situ.
I glued the dense foam to the top 8 inches to the inside of the support and s
haped the other side to the same line as the fuselage where it meets. So whe
n you raise the supports after loading the aircraft onto the trailer the sup
ports comfortable stand upright in place with the foam against the fuselage.
Foam is good as it allows the fuselage to move in situ, enough to cope with
the bumps in the road.
Can do a photo if you like.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
On 30/04/2013, at 9:30 PM, Dave Glowa <dave.glowa@termrim.co.uk> wrote:
> Richard
>
> You may find the answers to your question if you go to the Europa Club Gal
lery, Bob Borger has posted a set of pictures for the monowheel trailer date
d 6th December 2012.
>
> I am also at the stage where I need a trailer and I too have concerns as t
o whether the Europa trailer can cope with our roads, you have probably got b
etter ones than we have in West Yorkshire.
>
> If anyone has got the dimensions available I would be pleased to know. If y
ou can build a plane I am sure you can build the trailer.
>
> Regards
>
> Dave Glowa
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Electrical Connectors |
Hi,
Back on the horse after being thrown yet again, I would like to seek advice regarding
electrical connectors. I recall that the better ones were translucent
and have dual crimps, on both insulated, and I insulated wire. I would like to
mail order some from a US supplier and have them ant to my hotel for my next
upcoming visit, and was hoping I could get some advice of suitable suppliers other
than the old faithful, Spruce. Thanks in anticipation.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support |
This is a very timely thread for me as I'm just in the process of doing a few mods
on a mono trailer.
I'd be very grateful if some of the previous posters could post or send some photos
of their solutions. The only other one I know of is Raimo's idea which has
some small pads welded to the wing carriers that hold the fuselage stable.
There is a photo of that on this forum if you search hard enough.
Regards,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support |
This Youtube video shows the dolly I made for my plane it also establishes the
tie down points to the trailer. The unit is sturdy enough to do full throttle
runups without the wings on. Takes about 3 minutes to install / remove
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHYtCRwemiA
Steve Hagar
A143 Mesa AZ
-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Lamprey <lamprey.richard@gmail.com>
>Sent: Apr 29, 2013 11:29 PM
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support
>
>
>Good morning all,
>
>I have photos of the original Europa monowheel trailer, from the factory (when
I visited in 1995), and from other kind contributors to this site. The factory
one has G-ELSA parked in it, so in the photos the wings obscure the fuselage.
Photos from others don't have the Europa in it.
>
>I have the only Europa in this region of the world, so I cant see a trailer in
real life, all I have is photos.
>
>This may sound stupid, but I can't for the life of me work out what keeps the
fuselage upright, except for the mainwheel and leg lodged in their hinged cradle.
There must be significant forces on the cradle, its hinge, and on the undercarriage
swinging arm and its hinges onto the undercarriage frame.
>
>There is a gap between fuselage and wing cradles, so the cradles don't seem to
be doing any support.
>
>So it would seem that the wheel cradle keeps the whole plot upright, and strong
enough to counter any tipping forces as the thing goes around corners. This
might be fine for mirror smooth UK country lanes at 40 km/hr, but on our Kenya
roads, which are mostly holes, this isn't going to work.
>
>Perhaps I have missed something here. Does anyone have a Europa factory-style
monowheel trailer with fuselage supports, or a fuselage cradle? And can send
me pictures?
>
>Thanks
>Richard
>Kenya
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399643#399643
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Connectors |
On 30 Apr 2013, at 11:29, Tony Renshaw wrote:
> I would like to seek advice regarding electrical connectors. I recall that the
better ones were translucent and have dual crimps
Tony - what you are seeking is a crimp with an extended metal barrel which grips
the wire insulation when crimped as well as the conductor.
If the insulation is not gripped firmly by the crimp, vibration or flexing can
cause strands of wire to fail from fatigue, similar to (but much slower in action
than) an unsupported solder termination. The plastic part of an inferior crimp
appears to crush down and grip the insulation, but the grip is poor and can
soon become non-existent as the plastic relaxes back to its pre-crimped state.
That relaxation is accelerated by heat.
The only reliable term I have found to identify the good crimp terminals is "PIDG"
which I think stands for "pre-insulated diamond grip" although that does not
convey much about the specific features we want. There are others but it's
hard to know if they are the desired type without having one in your hand!
If the insulation is translucent it does let you see at a glance if the terminal
has the required extended sleeve, but it's easy enough to visually check the
ones with opaque insulation too.
In my searches for the several different types of crimps I need* I have used various
suppliers in UK for crimp terminals such as Parts for Aircraft, RS, & Farnell.
The types stocked by each don't seem to be very consistent and I often
have to look quite carefully at the online data sheet to ensure that I'm ordering
what I want.
Finally, a ratchet crimp tool is excellent for making sure that all crimps are
fully compressed. You do have to remember which way round the crimps fit in it
- the inner and outer parts of the crimping die are different shapes and although
the result might look OK, the wire will pull out quite easily.
I'm sorry that despite the length of my post, I can't give advice about suppliers
in USA, but doubtless others can do that. I hope some of the above may help
you when trawling through suppliers' part listings.
*mixtures of: red (16-22AWG) and yellow (10-12 AWG) with 6.35mm blade, 3mm ring,
3.5mm ring, 4mm ring, 5mm ring, 6mm ring, 8mm ring, 10mm ring. this is because
many of my electrical items have screw terminals rather than blade connectors.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Connectors |
On Apr 30, 2013, at 3:29 AM, Tony Renshaw wrote:
> was hoping I could get some advice of suitable suppliers other than
the old faithful, Spruce.
Hi Tony...try Googling Steinair...I've ordered from them...good service,
good prices...Cheers, Fred
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| Subject: | Rubberhoses, repacement? |
I am a little past the 5 year plus time for rubber replacement. I replaced
all the fuel lines about 6 years ago with high pressure auto fuel injection
hose. Stuff still looks good, but? Any advice here? Also replaced coolant
hoses with silicone about same time. The large radiator hoses were replaced
with rubber. Would like to get silicone for the radiator as well. Source?
Thanks for help.
Jerry Rehn
Mono XS 914
12 years running
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support |
We capture the main tire like the factory trailer does but also use a support similar
to the one Steve Hager shows. Ours is more like the one used at Flightcrafters
(see Europa Flyer Issue 40 page 2) but reversed so it is parallel to
the swing arm like Steve shows. We just clamp the support to the swing arm and
insert wood shims under the wheels when the airplane is secure in the trailer.
We've trailered our Europa over 4000 miles this way.
Jim & Heather
N241BW
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| Subject: | Re: Rubberhoses, repacement? |
Jerry
I recommend you contact Stefan Ingemarsson in Sweden. He advertises in
Europa Flyer Magazine (page 14 of March 2013 issue). His e-mail address is
stefan.ingemarsson@gmail.com. There are pictures of the hoses in the
magazine advertisement.
I recently ordered radiator blue silicon hoses from him and they arrived
within 2 days of order and payment by PayPal and he replied very promptly
to my e-mail enquiry re prices and delivery.
Philip
G-BWWB, Europa Monowheel Classic, Old Warden
**
*Philip J. Levi, FCA, CTA(Fellow), TEP, MRIN, ARAeS*
*Chartered Accountant, Chartered Tax Advisor.*
****
*E-mail:* *pjlevi@gmail.com** *
On 30 April 2013 16:56, Jerry Rehn <rehn@rockisland.com> wrote:
> I am a little past the 5 year plus time for rubber replacement. I
> replaced all the fuel lines about 6 years ago with high pressure auto fuel
> injection hose. Stuff still looks good, but? Any advice here? Also replaced
> coolant hoses with silicone about same time. The large radiator hoses were
> replaced with rubber. Would like to get silicone for the radiator as well.
> Source?****
>
> Thanks for help.****
>
> Jerry Rehn****
>
> Mono XS 914****
>
> 12 years running****
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Bud-
Sorry to hear of the loss in your team. Our thoughts go out to Johnny and
the rest of their family'
Fred
________________________________
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Jeffrey Roberts
Sent: Mon 4/29/2013 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Sad News
Bud,
I don't believe I remember meeting Johnny. But to have lost someone so clos
e so fast must be painful. Please let them know our prayers and thoughts go
out to them and you for your loss.
Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush / FOR SALE
On Apr 28, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Bud Yerly wrote:
Many of you who have visited me at Sun N Fun have met my good old boy pain
ter Johnny Hardacher. A number of you even had your planes painted by him.
Johnny's wife Sussane passed at the end of Sun 'n Fun. Her death was sudd
en and painless.
I called her "Darlin" because she was one. She cared deeply about each of
her customers at Johnny's, was the corporate memory, constantly worried ab
out us flyboys, and was a dear friend. There is a hole in our heart here
at the shop.
Bud Yerly
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Hi who was that @ thruxton airfield today ,I spotted a lovley tri europa today
,but when i asked if you was abought ,they said you had gone off in another plane
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support |
Hi there,
What I did to my trailer was bond a neoprene block on each side of the wing cradle
upright, carved to fit snug against the fuselage when the wing cradle is upright.
Worked well and solved the problem of the fuse possibly rubbing against
the metal uprights during towing.
Gavin Lee. #355
ZK -EPA
On 30/04/2013, at 6:29 PM, "Richard Lamprey" <lamprey.richard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Good morning all,
>
> I have photos of the original Europa monowheel trailer, from the factory (when
I visited in 1995), and from other kind contributors to this site. The factory
one has G-ELSA parked in it, so in the photos the wings obscure the fuselage.
Photos from others don't have the Europa in it.
>
> I have the only Europa in this region of the world, so I cant see a trailer in
real life, all I have is photos.
>
> This may sound stupid, but I can't for the life of me work out what keeps the
fuselage upright, except for the mainwheel and leg lodged in their hinged cradle.
There must be significant forces on the cradle, its hinge, and on the undercarriage
swinging arm and its hinges onto the undercarriage frame.
>
> There is a gap between fuselage and wing cradles, so the cradles don't seem to
be doing any support.
>
> So it would seem that the wheel cradle keeps the whole plot upright, and strong
enough to counter any tipping forces as the thing goes around corners. This
might be fine for mirror smooth UK country lanes at 40 km/hr, but on our Kenya
roads, which are mostly holes, this isn't going to work.
>
> Perhaps I have missed something here. Does anyone have a Europa factory-style
monowheel trailer with fuselage supports, or a fuselage cradle? And can send
me pictures?
>
> Thanks
> Richard
> Kenya
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399643#399643
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rubberhoses, repacement? |
Jerry,
A UK supplier (at a very reasonable price) is now supplying silicone
hoses to Europa for the XS. I have worked with both the Swedish
company's product (a bit costly) which is now popular, and our new
hoses. Call or email Karen. I think I just bought them out of their
last stock. More on the way very soon.
As far as on the engine, Rotax wants an arm and a leg for their heater
hose. In the US I use either manufacturer recommended or better hose.
I am afraid that even as a certified Rotax repair type, I prefer to buy
5/8 inch silicone hose from my supplier at Amazon Hose. It is great
stuff and only $6 a foot rather than $20 per foot and frankly it is just
rubber heater hose.. Don't just buy any hose. I tested the Amazon hose
stuff and it is good over 300F, under pressure. I even took a torch
with a 1500 degree tip to it and it just glows, the outer skin turns to
white ash and doesn't burn. It is as thick as the rubber hose (rather
than the real thin style silicone that is also available) so you can use
your existing clamps. The Rotax hose burns with gusto on direct flame
contact. I still use heat sleeve by thermo king to protect my hose from
potential exhaust leaks which will cause a burn through in minutes with
the rubber hose even with heat shielding.
I can't find 11 mm hose for the crossover tube so I do buy that from
Rotax. The 1/2 inch vacuum line or Aeroquip 332 is a little too loose,
and vacuum silicone hose of 3/8 or 7/16 is just too tight and won't pop
off. So I pay $20 for a foot of it.
The same for the 4 mm line for the carbs, fuel pressure regulator etc.
Only because I can reuse the clamps. If you want, you can find 4mm
vacuum / suction line but you will need new clamps as it will be thicker
than the 7mm OD Rotax line.
At 6 years I think you should look at your lower ignition wires also.
Mine were baked. Especially between the cylinders.
As for the the fuel hose. The tried and true method is to check your
clamps. If you note your clamps are loose and the hose has shrunk, has
cracks on the end not under the clamp or has taken a set (gotten hard)
take about 4-8 hours and change it all out. The R-7 hose from six years
ago has been replaced with better hose. Available now is Goodyear EP
SAE R-9 hose, Gates has an R-14 hose designed for carburation up to 50
psi and is cheaper than the fuel injection hose by about half. Both are
impervious to the smell of auto gas, are lined, and reinforced
internally. The Gates is also quite flexible. However, the new
silicone like inner liner on each brand when pushed on really sticks.
So, pre-lube it and plan well.
NAPA auto is a good place to look. Just make sure you get the
carbureted hose, not CARB (California Air Resources Board) fuel
injection hose which is quite stiff... My NAPA store locally carries
both types.
I pull my fuel tank bosses off and flush my tank. Replace the 1 inch
hose with marine fuel line or exhaust line (Blue Stripe).
I also check my cobra neck (that rubber 55 degree elbow) for hardness.
If it feels like solid plastic, it goes. I normally manufacture a 55
degree aluminum 2 inch elbow and use two inch marine exhaust hose to
clamp it into my inlet.
Finally, the site gauge and vent lines need a good looking at also.
They get quite brittle as we use cheap hose, and rarely get changed as
we figure they are only vent lines and don't give a second thought to
them. Don't buy cheap here either. Not all polyurethane lines are
created equal. Europa has the good European hose that doesn't crack or
get brittle. Amazon hose has crap for urethane normally. My store has
the good stuff. We are using tygon in one plane to try it out. It now
comes in many colors and is resistant to getting dark with age and is
supposed to be 100% safe with ethanol, autogas, or aviation gas.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
Tech Support.
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Subject: Europa-List: Rubberhoses, repacement?
I am a little past the 5 year plus time for rubber replacement. I
replaced all the fuel lines about 6 years ago with high pressure auto
fuel injection hose. Stuff still looks good, but? Any advice here? Also
replaced coolant hoses with silicone about same time. The large radiator
hoses were replaced with rubber. Would like to get silicone for the
radiator as well. Source?
Thanks for help.
Jerry Rehn
Mono XS 914
12 years running
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Hi,
A couple of us have sets of hoses supplied kindly by Stefan Ingemarsson and I have
a question or two for the list for anyone who has fitted his hoses, using
the clamps provided. They are circular tension clamps that require ideally a special
too, which I have to compress them, and then you install them onto the
hose. The problem is that we have two diameter hoses, the smaller internal 16
mm diameter and the larger 24 mm ID. The clamps provided, 18 of them for 5 hoses,
are all the same size with an uncompressed (read forced open) dimension of
24 mm. I have tried to open one of the clamps up to fit over the 24 mm ID hose,
and on full open it can't quite slip around the OD of the tube. The other problem
is that the clamps don't seem to provide much tension on a hose that albeit
isn't fitted to anything, that might nominally increase the ID, and make
it tighter. If anyone has experience using Stefans hoses, can they get back to
me with advice on the clips, the manufacturer ideally, and the most suitable
diameter of clamps? Thank you in anticipation.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
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