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2. 07:27 AM - Re: Electrical Connectors (h&jeuropa)
3. 12:50 PM - Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support (Fred Klein)
4. 03:03 PM - Re: Electrical Connectors (rampil)
5. 05:10 PM - Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support (hagargs)
6. 06:03 PM - Re: Rubberhoses, repacement? (Jerry Rehn)
7. 07:03 PM - Re: Re: Electrical Connectors (Bud Yerly)
8. 08:15 PM - Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support (Fred Klein)
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Well done Graham, looks good!
Ivan
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Sent: 01 May 2013 21:54
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Fitting Silicon
Hoses.Question regarding clamps
Tony
as Trevor says the clips are the best method, as the tube softens with
heat and maybe takes a permanent set (rubber will but maybe not
silicone,)
the clips take up the slack automatically and maintain the tension.
Unlike worm drive clips.
BTW have a look at this youtube clip, my Long EZ flying out of it's
winter quarters. Off the ground in about 300 meters.
Graham
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIOTSuiJtcg&feature=youtu.be>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIOTSuiJtcg&feature=youtu.be
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From: "Trevpond@aol.com" <Trevpond@aol.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 1 May 2013, 18:27
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fitting Silicon Hoses.Question
regarding clamps
Hi Tony,
Got a set on mine, clips are spot on and I've had no leaks.
regards
Trev
G-LINN
In a message dated 01/05/2013 08:52:19 GMT Daylight Time,
tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com writes:
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Hi,
A couple of us have sets of hoses supplied kindly by Stefan Ingemarsson
and I have a question or two for the list for anyone who has fitted his
hoses, using the clamps provided. They are circular tension clamps that
require ideally a special too, which I have to compress them, and then
you install them onto the hose. The problem is that we have two diameter
hoses, the smaller internal 16 mm diameter and the larger 24 mm ID. The
clamps provided, 18 of them for 5 hoses, are all the same size with an
uncompressed (read forced open) dimension of 24 mm. I have tried to open
one of the clamps up to fit over the 24 mm ID hose, and on full open it
can't quite slip around the OD of the tube. The other problem is that
the clamps don't seem to provide much tension on a hose that albeit
isn't fitted to anything, that might nominally increase the ID, and make
it tighter. If anyone has experience using Stefans hoses, can they get
back to me with advice on the clips, the manufacturer ideal!
ly, and the most suitable diameter of clamps? Thank you in anticipation.
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Connectors |
Tony,
Suppliers like Allied, Mouser and DigiKey are wholesale electronics suppliers and
while they have the terminals you want, they typically sell in large quantities
and the have the entire product line so selection is sometimes confusing.
I've found Stein Air (http://www.steinair.com/store.cfm?tlcatid=26) and B&C Speciality (http://www.bandc.biz/electrical-terminals-splices.aspx) to have the correct terminals at reasonable prices and reasonable quantities.
They both sell the proper crimp tools.
For some items one will be lower priced than the other. Be sure to check shipping
charges - I recall B & C is a bit more expensive.
I've not used terminal town.
Jim Butcher
N241BW
XS Mono 914
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support |
On Apr 30, 2013, at 6:14 AM, hagargs wrote:
> This Youtube video shows the dolly I made for my plane it also
establishes the tie down points to the trailer. The unit is sturdy
enough to do full throttle runups without the wings on. Takes about 3
minutes to install / remove
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHYtCRwemiA
>
> Steve Hagar
Steve...thank you so much for linking to the video...excellent
design...!...solving several sticky problems for the mono-wingless.
I want to replicate your dolly and have found a source for that clever
extrusion which allows for height adjustment of the wheels.
A question: My source (Grainger) for the extrusion (1.5" x 3" x 72")
sells it in 6 ft. lengths...do you recall whether or not ONE pc. was
sufficient?
Thanks,
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Connectors |
Hi All,
Jim, I have to respectfully disagree. I buy small quantities of parts from
Allied, Jameco, Digikey, etc. all the time. They are gracious and timely, and
probably have more stock and faster shipping than the Mom and Pop shops
you advocation. When you you say "typically" I have to wonder if that
means you never personally tried to buy anything from them.
I have also patronized B&C, RST Eng, Bob Nuckolls, Eric Jones (Perihelion)
and others too without much ado.
I personally would draw the line at Stein. His articles in Kitplanes etc
have been erroneous, biased and self-serving in the past. It is a personal
choice of course, but I do not like his style of business.
Your mileage may vary. My mileage is based on decades as a ham and
several degrees in electrical engineering. My wife would certainly attest that
have "rich" experience spending money ;)
--------
Ira N224XS
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| Subject: | Re: Rubberhoses, repacement? |
Thanks for help, I am presently working my way through all this. Looking for
ward to flying soon.
Regards
Jerry
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 30, 2013, at 8:27 PM, "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com> wrote:
> Jerry,
> A UK supplier (at a very reasonable price) is now supplying silicone hoses
to Europa for the XS. I have worked with both the Swedish company's produc
t (a bit costly) which is now popular, and our new hoses. Call or email Kar
en. I think I just bought them out of their last stock. More on the way ve
ry soon.
>
> As far as on the engine, Rotax wants an arm and a leg for their heater hos
e. In the US I use either manufacturer recommended or better hose. I am af
raid that even as a certified Rotax repair type, I prefer to buy 5/8 inch si
licone hose from my supplier at Amazon Hose. It is great stuff and only $6 a
foot rather than $20 per foot and frankly it is just rubber heater hose.. D
on't just buy any hose. I tested the Amazon hose stuff and it is good over 3
00F, under pressure. I even took a torch with a 1500 degree tip to it and i
t just glows, the outer skin turns to white ash and doesn't burn. It is as t
hick as the rubber hose (rather than the real thin style silicone that is al
so available) so you can use your existing clamps. The Rotax hose burns wit
h gusto on direct flame contact. I still use heat sleeve by thermo king to p
rotect my hose from potential exhaust leaks which will cause a burn through i
n minutes with the rubber hose even with heat shielding.
>
> I can't find 11 mm hose for the crossover tube so I do buy that from Rotax
. The 1/2 inch vacuum line or Aeroquip 332 is a little too loose, and vacuu
m silicone hose of 3/8 or 7/16 is just too tight and won't pop off. So I pa
y $20 for a foot of it.
> The same for the 4 mm line for the carbs, fuel pressure regulator etc. On
ly because I can reuse the clamps. If you want, you can find 4mm vacuum / s
uction line but you will need new clamps as it will be thicker than the 7mm O
D Rotax line.
>
> At 6 years I think you should look at your lower ignition wires also. Min
e were baked. Especially between the cylinders.
>
> As for the the fuel hose. The tried and true method is to check your clam
ps. If you note your clamps are loose and the hose has shrunk, has cracks o
n the end not under the clamp or has taken a set (gotten hard) take about 4-
8 hours and change it all out. The R-7 hose from six years ago has been rep
laced with better hose. Available now is Goodyear EP SAE R-9 hose, Gates h
as an R-14 hose designed for carburation up to 50 psi and is cheaper than th
e fuel injection hose by about half. Both are impervious to the smell of au
to gas, are lined, and reinforced internally. The Gates is also quite flexi
ble. However, the new silicone like inner liner on each brand when pushed o
n really sticks. So, pre-lube it and plan well.
> NAPA auto is a good place to look. Just make sure you get the carbureted h
ose, not CARB (California Air Resources Board) fuel injection hose which is q
uite stiff... My NAPA store locally carries both types.
>
> I pull my fuel tank bosses off and flush my tank. Replace the 1 inch hose
with marine fuel line or exhaust line (Blue Stripe).
>
> I also check my cobra neck (that rubber 55 degree elbow) for hardness. If
it feels like solid plastic, it goes. I normally manufacture a 55 degree a
luminum 2 inch elbow and use two inch marine exhaust hose to clamp it into m
y inlet.
>
> Finally, the site gauge and vent lines need a good looking at also. They g
et quite brittle as we use cheap hose, and rarely get changed as we figure t
hey are only vent lines and don't give a second thought to them. Don't buy c
heap here either. Not all polyurethane lines are created equal. Europa has
the good European hose that doesn't crack or get brittle. Amazon hose has c
rap for urethane normally. My store has the good stuff. We are using tygon
in one plane to try it out. It now comes in many colors and is resistant t
o getting dark with age and is supposed to be 100% safe with ethanol, autoga
s, or aviation gas.
>
>
> Regards,
> Bud Yerly
> Tech Support.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jerry Rehn
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 11:56 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: Rubberhoses, repacement?
>
> I am a little past the 5 year plus time for rubber replacement. I replaced
all the fuel lines about 6 years ago with high pressure auto fuel injection
hose. Stuff still looks good, but? Any advice here? Also replaced coolan
t hoses with silicone about same time. The large radiator hoses were replace
d with rubber. Would like to get silicone for the radiator as well. Source?
> Thanks for help.
> Jerry Rehn
> Mono XS 914
> 12 years running
>
>
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ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Connectors |
If I can butt in,
These are all excellent sources and I too use Allied for a bulk of my
connectors, pins, plugs etc. Good price and timely shipping in the
States. I don't know about overseas.
However, please pay attention to the crimper tool also. The best
connector in the world is only as good as the crimp.
You get what you pay for but you don't have to get fleeced. AMP makes a
terrific PIDGE connector crimper, but at $400 I prefer my Eclipse thank
you at 1/10th that. I rarely have more than one bad crimp in 100.
If you prefer solder, don't scrimp there either. Not all pins are
created equal, nor is the solder. Learn before you burn.
Regards,
Bud Yerly
----- Original Message -----
From: h&jeuropa<mailto:butcher43@att.net>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 10:27 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Electrical Connectors
<butcher43@att.net<mailto:butcher43@att.net>>
Tony,
Suppliers like Allied, Mouser and DigiKey are wholesale electronics
suppliers and while they have the terminals you want, they typically
sell in large quantities and the have the entire product line so
selection is sometimes confusing.
I've found Stein Air
(http://www.steinair.com/store.cfm?tlcatid=26<http://www.steinair.com/s
tore.cfm?tlcatid=26>) and B&C Speciality
(http://www.bandc.biz/electrical-terminals-splices.aspx<http://www.bandc.
biz/electrical-terminals-splices.aspx>) to have the correct terminals at
reasonable prices and reasonable quantities.
They both sell the proper crimp tools.
For some items one will be lower priced than the other. Be sure to
check shipping charges - I recall B & C is a bit more expensive.
I've not used terminal town.
Jim Butcher
N241BW
XS Mono 914
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399848#399848<http://forums
.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=399848#399848>
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avigator?Europa-List>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support |
Steve,
Thanks for your help. After re-watching your video, I'm chagrined to
have not noticed the 3 x 3 cross member.
BTW, do you use your dolly when changing a tire?...presumably by raising
and temporarily supporting your tail...?...(and is that the reason
you've made your cross member so stout?
Fred
On May 2, 2013, at 5:09 PM, hagargs wrote:
> Fred:
>
> I used 2 different sizes of extrusion so as not to have any concerns
over strength and stiffness. The the smaller stuff. I am attaching a
pdf and 2 auto cad versions of the drawing to give you the exact
details. If you have any issues opening any of these get in touch at
hagargs@earthlink.net to possibly get a hard copy if you want it.
>
> Steve
>
> A143 Mesa, AZ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fred Klein
> Sent: May 2, 2013 9:54 AM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa monowheel trailer, fuselage support
>
>
> On Apr 30, 2013, at 6:14 AM, hagargs wrote:
>
>> This Youtube video shows the dolly I made for my plane it also
establishes the tie down points to the trailer. The unit is sturdy
enough to do full throttle runups without the wings on. Takes about 3
minutes to install / remove
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHYtCRwemiA
>>
>> Steve Hagar
>
> Steve...thank you so much for linking to the video...excellent
design...!...solving several sticky problems for the mono-wingless.
>
> I want to replicate your dolly and have found a source for that clever
extrusion which allows for height adjustment of the wheels.
>
> A question: My source (Grainger) for the extrusion (1.5" x 3" x 72")
sells it in 6 ft. lengths...do you recall whether or not ONE pc. was
sufficient?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred
>
>
>
>
>
<Landing+gear+dolly+pdf.pdf><Landing+gear+dolly.dwg><Landing+gear+dolly-A-
LT.dwg>
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