---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 05/20/13: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:40 AM - Re: Garmin Skymap 111C (PHILLIPS I) 2. 11:06 AM - Re: Garmin Skymap 111C (Alan Carter) 3. 02:00 PM - Right mag drop and rought running on 914 (Alan Carter) 4. 02:59 PM - Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures (jonathanmilbank) 5. 03:27 PM - Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures (Jeffrey Roberts) 6. 04:56 PM - Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 (Robert Borger) 7. 05:09 PM - Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures (Kingsley Hurst) 8. 05:30 PM - Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures (Robert Borger) 9. 06:09 PM - Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 (Jerry Rehn) 10. 06:28 PM - Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 (Robert Borger) 11. 07:53 PM - Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 (Jerry Rehn) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Garmin Skymap 111C From: PHILLIPS I Hi Alan the normal ariel is a plastic sqaure box about the size of a cigarette box, but on mine i fitted a slightly smaller unit with a built in amplifier, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SMA-RP-SMA-GPS-Antenna-3-meter-3m-3-0m-Cable-BRAND-NEW-FULL-WARRANTY-/321117484231?pt=UK_In_Car_Technology&hash=item4ac417f4c7#ht_2099wt_1132 one of these from ebay is a cheap way to check if it is a ariel problem or not, regards ivor On 16 May 2013 23:30, Alan Carter wrote: > > > > Hello All. > My Skymap 111c is working on Menu and Maps, but states , No position fix, > go to GPS, page it is not picking up any satellites,?? > Power, and Aerial all plugged in the back of the unit, > See the aerial wire going behind the panel, then lost. > What does this GPS aerial look like.?? > > Alan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400810#400810 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:17 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Garmin Skymap 111C From: "Alan Carter" Hello Ivor./Bob. Hope you are still doing those long flight, I have spoken the sky force at Chichester today, they are sending me out a stick on cheap aerial to test with. Its all working but states on the GPS page acquiring but this stay the same for an hour, so its no receiving a signal, on the aerial state it says 4Ma. Regards. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400997#400997 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:00:22 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 From: "Alan Carter" Hello ALL Well its less than a year ago I had this problem and ended up changing one of the ignition coils and spending around 300 for parts. All I remember it was a sod of a job and I did not want to do it. I use to have a rotary mag/start switch but now have independent switching so I can start on L,R,or Both. I have marked my left system Red, and my Right system Green but really did not mark enough of this sodding system. So can any one answer or check my progress. Starting the reverse way round. just me I find it easier doing things backwards. Top row of plugs (green), go to (2)ignition coils (green), then to the top module (green), then to my RIGHT Mag switch (green) This is called ignition system A. Bottom row of plugs, (Red) yes you've got it (red/port/LEFT)Stb RIGHT is Green so much for the colour coding. Go to the (2) ignition coils (Red) then to the modules (Red) then to the LEFT mag switch (Red) This is ignition system B. Now having labelled it all up is it correctly ?? or does B do the top plugs,? I could pull of all the red top leads and select L and try to start and if it does not start I have it correct, but been told not a good idea as may damage modules. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401019#401019 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures From: "jonathanmilbank" I have just converted my Classic with 912UL 80hp and Airmaster 332vp prop from mono to tri. I'm completely satisfied and delighted with the results and particularly I must thank Neville Eyre for his excellent work. For your interest, my conversion has bare undercarriage legs and wheels, no spats (pants) or fairings intended, utilises the original combined flap/undercarriage lever to operate the flaps without needing an electric motor and has finger brakes. This has all resulted in a net empty weight gain of 43 lbs (about 20 kg) to 861 lbs and the cruise speed has reduced by 8 knots from 120 to 112 at the identical power setting. The most important reduction for me has been the reduction in stress when landing the mono in a stiff crosswind. I got away without groundlooping for 15 years and now I'm ready for the quiet life. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401026#401026 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:02 PM PST US From: Jeffrey Roberts Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures Jonathan, Get the wheel paints and gear leg covers and if you want to take it further make leg end fairings and you'll get all the speed back except 2 KTS. Then on the other hand maybe the speed isn't important and thats fine to. Gold Rush is an XS tri with the new 912ULS, sensenich ground adjustable prop and at 7K ft and 5400 RPM's it does 130KTS every time. Best, Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush / FOR SALE On May 20, 2013, at 5:59 PM, jonathanmilbank wrote: > > I have just converted my Classic with 912UL 80hp and Airmaster 332vp prop from mono to tri. I'm completely satisfied and delighted with the results and particularly I must thank Neville Eyre for his excellent work. > > For your interest, my conversion has bare undercarriage legs and wheels, no spats (pants) or fairings intended, utilises the original combined flap/undercarriage lever to operate the flaps without needing an electric motor and has finger brakes. > > This has all resulted in a net empty weight gain of 43 lbs (about 20 kg) to 861 lbs and the cruise speed has reduced by 8 knots from 120 to 112 at the identical power setting. > > The most important reduction for me has been the reduction in stress when landing the mono in a stiff crosswind. I got away without groundlooping for 15 years and now I'm ready for the quiet life. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401026#401026 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 From: Robert Borger Hi Alan, If it's all wired up and configured as per the installation manual (section 19.4.4 page 116): Ignition Module/Circuit A controls the top plugs of 1 & 2 and the bottom plugs of 3 & 4 Ignition Module/Circuit B controls the bottom plug of 1 & 2 and the top plugs of 3 & 4 There's probably a good reason for this arrangement, but if someone informed me of said reason, I don't remember it. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On May 20, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Alan Carter wrote: Hello ALL Well its less than a year ago I had this problem and ended up changing one of the ignition coils and spending around 300 for parts. All I remember it was a sod of a job and I did not want to do it. I use to have a rotary mag/start switch but now have independent switching so I can start on L,R,or Both. I have marked my left system Red, and my Right system Green but really did not mark enough of this sodding system. So can any one answer or check my progress. Starting the reverse way round. just me I find it easier doing things backwards. Top row of plugs (green), go to (2)ignition coils (green), then to the top module (green), then to my RIGHT Mag switch (green) This is called ignition system A. Bottom row of plugs, (Red) yes you've got it (red/port/LEFT)Stb RIGHT is Green so much for the colour coding. Go to the (2) ignition coils (Red) then to the modules (Red) then to the LEFT mag switch (Red) This is ignition system B. Now having labelled it all up is it correctly ?? or does B do the top plugs,? I could pull of all the red top leads and select L and try to start and if it does not start I have it correct, but been told not a good idea as may damage modules. Alan ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures From: Kingsley Hurst Gentlemen, When you quote the speed of your aircraft, please clarify if you are talking IAS, CAS or TAS. The 914 Mono I am now flying has the pitot and static vents in their original positions. i.e. pitot forward of the spar and static holes on the side of the fuselage. I have always suspected the IAS to be under reading and flying in formation with a Virus Motor Glider at different speeds confirmed this was so albeit I equally suspect the ASI on the Virus is optimistic to some extent. In flight at or close to AUW with Warp Drive square blade prop, at 9500 ft, 5000 RPM and 29" MAP, 20 LPH fuel burn, I am getting 118-120 IAS which is around 135kts TAS. I am interested to know how these figures compare with others please. Regards Kingsley in Oz. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures From: Robert Borger Kingsley, FWIW, my XS Trigear conversion with 914, Airmaster 332 straight blades, has been doing 110 kts indicated. This is a bit lower than the 114 kts indicated GPS speed. This is at 5000 RPM, 26.5" MP & 4.5 GPH (17 LPH) with no fairings at all. Last week I put the wheel pants on and that same power/fuel setting produced 115 kts indicated (120 kts GPS speed). I'm working on the gear leg fairings this week. I'll let you know what it does when they are on and I have a chance to fly it. Eventually, the rest of the speed kit (flap hinge fairings) will go on and we'll see how that helps. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On May 20, 2013, at 7:09 PM, Kingsley Hurst wrote: Gentlemen, When you quote the speed of your aircraft, please clarify if you are talking IAS, CAS or TAS. The 914 Mono I am now flying has the pitot and static vents in their original positions. i.e. pitot forward of the spar and static holes on the side of the fuselage. I have always suspected the IAS to be under reading and flying in formation with a Virus Motor Glider at different speeds confirmed this was so albeit I equally suspect the ASI on the Virus is optimistic to some extent. In flight at or close to AUW with Warp Drive square blade prop, at 9500 ft, 5000 RPM and 29" MAP, 20 LPH fuel burn, I am getting 118-120 IAS which is around 135kts TAS. I am interested to know how these figures compare with others please. Regards Kingsley in Oz. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 From: Jerry Rehn Bob What you show for the ignition modules is correct for the 912, however the 914 is wired differently. The top module fires the top plugs and the bottom module the bottom plugs. I went through this last year and had to replace the top module, only two of the top plugs failed on mine module so through a process of pulling wires on plugs I was able to find it. I sent the suspect module in for testing and it confirmed what I found. Switching the the two modules to see if the problem moves is also a method to discover the issue. Alan, hope you are able to isolate your issue, this stuff can drive one nuts! Jerry Sent from my iPad On May 20, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Robert Borger wrote: > > Hi Alan, > > If it's all wired up and configured as per the installation manual (section 19.4.4 page 116): > > Ignition Module/Circuit A controls the top plugs of 1 & 2 and the bottom plugs of 3 & 4 > > Ignition Module/Circuit B controls the bottom plug of 1 & 2 and the top plugs of 3 & 4 > > There's probably a good reason for this arrangement, but if someone informed me of said reason, I don't remember it. > > Blue skies & tailwinds, > Bob Borger > Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. > Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP > 3705 Lynchburg Dr. > Corinth, TX 76208-5331 > Cel: 817-992-1117 > rlborger@mac.com > > On May 20, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Alan Carter wrote: > > > Hello ALL > Well its less than a year ago I had this problem and ended up changing one of the ignition coils and spending around 300 for parts. > All I remember it was a sod of a job and I did not want to do it. > I use to have a rotary mag/start switch but now have independent switching so I can start on L,R,or Both. > I have marked my left system Red, and my Right system Green > but really did not mark enough of this sodding system. > So can any one answer or check my progress. > Starting the reverse way round. just me I find it easier doing things backwards. > Top row of plugs (green), go to (2)ignition coils (green), then to the top module (green), then to my RIGHT Mag switch (green) > This is called ignition system A. > Bottom row of plugs, (Red) yes you've got it (red/port/LEFT)Stb RIGHT is > Green so much for the colour coding. > Go to the (2) ignition coils (Red) then to the modules (Red) then to the > LEFT mag switch (Red) > This is ignition system B. > Now having labelled it all up is it correctly ?? or does B do the top plugs,? > I could pull of all the red top leads and select L and try to start and if it does not start I have it correct, but been told not a good idea as may damage modules. > > Alan > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 From: Robert Borger Jerry, I thought it was as you said, but when I went to the 914 installation manual it showed different: Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On May 20, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Jerry Rehn wrote: Bob What you show for the ignition modules is correct for the 912, however the 914 is wired differently. The top module fires the top plugs and the bottom module the bottom plugs. I went through this last year and had to replace the top module, only two of the top plugs failed on mine module so through a process of pulling wires on plugs I was able to find it. I sent the suspect module in for testing and it confirmed what I found. Switching the the two modules to see if the problem moves is also a method to discover the issue. Alan, hope you are able to isolate your issue, this stuff can drive one nuts! Jerry ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 From: Jerry Rehn Bob I think they are out to confuse us!:) That diagram is for the 912 , don't know why it's in that manual unless the re is a footnote Somewhere. I do know that my 914 top module, top plugs, bottom module, botto m plugs. Guess we need a rotax guy to pipe in on this. Maybe can explain whats what! Jerry Sent from my iPad On May 20, 2013, at 6:27 PM, Robert Borger wrote: > Jerry, > > I thought it was as you said, but when I went to the 914 installation manu al it showed different: > > <914 ignition.jpg> > > > Blue skies & tailwinds, > Bob Borger > Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. > Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP > 3705 Lynchburg Dr. > Corinth, TX 76208-5331 > Cel: 817-992-1117 > rlborger@mac.com > > On May 20, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Jerry Rehn wrote: > > > Bob > What you show for the ignition modules is correct for the 912, however the 914 is wired differently. The top module fires the top plugs and the bottom module the bottom plugs. > I went through this last year and had to replace the top module, only two o f the top plugs failed on mine module so through a process of pulling wires o n plugs I was able to find it. I sent the suspect module in for testing and i t confirmed what I found. Switching the the two modules to see if the proble m moves is also a method to discover the issue. > Alan, hope you are able to isolate your issue, this stuff can drive one nu ts! > Jerry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.