---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/22/13: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:00 AM - Fly in to Hucknall 8th June (DAVID JOYCE) 2. 04:10 AM - Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures (jonathanmilbank) 3. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures (Max Cointe (Free)) 4. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures (Steven Pitt) 5. 11:16 AM - Airmaster AC200 Feather light on during flight (GBWFH2010) 6. 12:50 PM - Re: Airmaster AC200 Feather light on during flight (Tim Ward) 7. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures (Tim Ward) 8. 01:26 PM - Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 (Alan Carter) 9. 01:54 PM - Re: Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 (Robert Borger) 10. 02:46 PM - Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 (Alan Carter) 11. 02:54 PM - Re: Garmin Skymap 111C (Alan Carter) 12. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Garmin Skymap 111C (DAVID JOYCE) 13. 03:06 PM - Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 (Alan Carter) 14. 03:18 PM - 5 point harnesses (Tony Renshaw) 15. 03:19 PM - Re: Garmin Skymap 111C (Alan Carter) 16. 03:27 PM - Preheating glass cloth (Tony Renshaw) 17. 03:30 PM - Re: Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 (Robert Borger) 18. 03:38 PM - Re: Preheating glass cloth (Robert Borger) 19. 04:35 PM - Re: Preheating glass cloth (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 20. 08:03 PM - Re: Preheating glass cloth (JR Gowing) 21. 11:09 PM - Flap Bracket Repaint advice? (JonSmith) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:21 AM PST US From: DAVID JOYCE Subject: Europa-List: Fly in to Hucknall 8th June Can we get a few Europa's to Hucknall?=0A-=0AYou may be aware that Huckna ll EGNA (Merlin Flying Club at Rolls Royce Nottingham) is holding what may be our final pageant due to a recent planning application, lots of Aircraft will flying in with an air-display on Saturday 8th of June, the display is starting at 1400 hrs. Spits hurricanes, Aeros etc.=0A-=0AWe are next t o M1 Motorway between J27 and J26 Arrivals from 9AM.=0AAll are welcome at E GNA email for further details or for a copy of the poster advert.=0A-=0Ar gds=0ADavid Joyce=0AThe other one ;-)=0A=0ASent to you from David Joyce=0Aw ww.eastmidsspas.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:21 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures From: "jonathanmilbank" We remain limited to 1370 lbs mauw in the UK and with the Airmaster AP332 plus the airframe strengthening mod, I find that my lowly 80 hp Rotax manages very well. Should 1450 lbs ever get approved, then one of the conditions imposed to use the extra 80 lbs would almost certainly be to instal a 100 hp engine. Having said all this, it still intrigues me that in the UK there are Europas weighing in empty at well over 900 lbs. For discussion's sake I'll take 920 lbs as an example. That leaves 450 lbs to play with. After near-filling the tank with 100 lbs of fuel, it is easy to see that only 350 lbs remain to accommodate two 175 lb occupants. Hmmm ! I've made an agreement with my group members that we leave the tank with 50 litres (80 lbs) for the next man, who can fill it further if he's not going to be flying heavy. 50 litres gives 2 hours of very safe flying with about 45 to 60 minutes reserve. This plan should work well for us with 861 lbs empty weight, but in the example of a 920 lb airframe also limited to 50 litres, there would only be 370 lbs remaining. Sorry to bore you with my simple arithmetic, but more than 4 decades of earning my living as a pilot have shaped my thinking into non-adventurous mode, as far as aircraft loading is concerned. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401106#401106 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:48 AM PST US From: "Max Cointe (Free)" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures Hi Jonathan, ... > Should 1450 lbs ever get approved, then one of the conditions imposed to use the extra 80 lbs would almost certainly be to instal a 100 hp engine. ... F-PMLH has a 912ULS and weight exactly 920 lbs empty. ... > This plan should work well for us with 861 lbs empty weight, but in the example of a 920 lb airframe also limited to 50 litres, there would only be 370 lbs > remaining. Sorry to bore you with my simple arithmetic, but more than 4 decades of earning my living as a pilot have shaped my thinking into non-adventurous mode, > as far as aircraft loading is concerned. ... Never been able to put physically more than 59 liters for full(of which 9 in the reserve part)and very happy with 2 and half hours of autonomy (plus 20 mn reserve). So the two (owners) of us weight less than 180 lbs or die :-) Cheers Max Cointe mcointe@free.fr F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 450 hours F-PLDJ DynAro MCR 4S Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1550 hours ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:33:45 AM PST US From: "Steven Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures Dear All, May I come into this conversation at a late stage. When I became a member of the Europa Club Committee and subsequently Vice Chairman leading to Chairman, I tried to see if we could get an increase in the MAUW upto 1450 lbs on the basis that there were Europas around the world already flying at this figure. Despite sending out a plea to the Matronics site I did not receive the requested information to be able to put a case forward to the LAA for consideration. I appreciate that a change in the UK might be difficult as I understand that the original 1370 lbs figure was extrapolated from the loading tests that were originally done by the old Europa company and then taking into account the multiplication factors used for 'plastic' aircraft etc. So to change the MAUW may require further destructive testing for which the funds are probably not available. I repeat my request that any information on aircraft authorised throughout the world at higher MAUW would be useful to start discussions with the LAA. My own trigear is 861 lbs empty and I wish I was 175lbs, so it is always a case of compromise when planning overseas trips. Any information passed to me will be used with discretion. Thanks in anticipation. Steve Pitt Chairman, Europa Club G-SMDH trigear XS 912S with Airmaster ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonathanmilbank" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:09 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures > > > We remain limited to 1370 lbs mauw in the UK and with the Airmaster AP332 > plus the airframe strengthening mod, I find that my lowly 80 hp Rotax > manages very well. Should 1450 lbs ever get approved, then one of the > conditions imposed to use the extra 80 lbs would almost certainly be to > instal a 100 hp engine. > > Having said all this, it still intrigues me that in the UK there are > Europas weighing in empty at well over 900 lbs. For discussion's sake I'll > take 920 lbs as an example. That leaves 450 lbs to play with. After > near-filling the tank with 100 lbs of fuel, it is easy to see that only > 350 lbs remain to accommodate two 175 lb occupants. Hmmm ! > > I've made an agreement with my group members that we leave the tank with > 50 litres (80 lbs) for the next man, who can fill it further if he's not > going to be flying heavy. 50 litres gives 2 hours of very safe flying with > about 45 to 60 minutes reserve. > > This plan should work well for us with 861 lbs empty weight, but in the > example of a 920 lb airframe also limited to 50 litres, there would only > be 370 lbs remaining. Sorry to bore you with my simple arithmetic, but > more than 4 decades of earning my living as a pilot have shaped my > thinking into non-adventurous mode, as far as aircraft loading is > concerned. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401106#401106 > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:16:51 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Airmaster AC200 Feather light on during flight From: "GBWFH2010" When flying today the Airmaster propeller appeared to function perfectly, however every so often at seemingly random intervals the green FEATHER lamp would light for one or two seconds and then extinguish. The propeller did not attempt to feather but it is somewhat disconcerting to see this illuminated. What I did notice was a very slight flickering of all the instrument needles. Could this be coincidence or is this linked to the spurious prop indication? I have checked all the earthing on the aircraft and could not find any obvious fault. Does anyone have any suggestions regarding what could be causing this problem and what I should check? -------- Gordon Grant G-BWFH Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401126#401126 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Airmaster AC200 Feather light on during flight From: Tim Ward Hi Gordon, If the prop is operating within its optimum range than the feather green light should definitely not be flickering on. The other flickering lights indicate which way the propeller is adjusting to fine the best pitch to optimize the performance. Green light is the prop is going to a finer pitch and the yellow light means it is trying to find a coarser pitch. Martin at Airmaster will be able to help. Contact him via the Airmaster web site. Maybe a connection problem. Does the RPM change with the feather light on? If not then it is an indication problem. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 On 23/05/2013, at 6:16 AM, "GBWFH2010" wrote: > > When flying today the Airmaster propeller appeared to function perfectly, however every so often at seemingly random intervals the green FEATHER lamp would light for one or two seconds and then extinguish. The propeller did not attempt to feather but it is somewhat disconcerting to see this illuminated. > > What I did notice was a very slight flickering of all the instrument needles. Could this be coincidence or is this linked to the spurious prop indication? I have checked all the earthing on the aircraft and could not find any obvious fault. > > Does anyone have any suggestions regarding what could be causing this problem and what I should check? > > -------- > Gordon Grant > > G-BWFH > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401126#401126 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:24:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures From: Tim Ward Hi Steve, I got a letter from Andy at Europa years ago to state that in the USA the 1450lbs was except-able How that figure was obtained I can not remember but it did not require a different build. I will have to find the letter again which I will send to you. However when I presented it to New Zealand CAA they would only except the 1370Ibs the Europa company stipulates. However it is nice to know that there is a buffer regarding weight of 80Ibs. I am sure the USA builders will know the answer? Andy does. Cheers, Tim Tim Ward 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch, 8052 New Zealand. ward.t@xtra.co.nz Ph 64 3 3515166 Mob 0210640221 On 23/05/2013, at 4:32 AM, "Steven Pitt" wrote: > > Dear All, > May I come into this conversation at a late stage. > When I became a member of the Europa Club Committee and subsequently Vice Chairman leading to Chairman, I tried to see if we could get an increase in the MAUW upto 1450 lbs on the basis that there were Europas around the world already flying at this figure. > Despite sending out a plea to the Matronics site I did not receive the requested information to be able to put a case forward to the LAA for consideration. > I appreciate that a change in the UK might be difficult as I understand that the original 1370 lbs figure was extrapolated from the loading tests that were originally done by the old Europa company and then taking into account the multiplication factors used for 'plastic' aircraft etc. So to change the MAUW may require further destructive testing for which the funds are probably not available. > I repeat my request that any information on aircraft authorised throughout the world at higher MAUW would be useful to start discussions with the LAA. > My own trigear is 861 lbs empty and I wish I was 175lbs, so it is always a case of compromise when planning overseas trips. > Any information passed to me will be used with discretion. Thanks in anticipation. > Steve Pitt > Chairman, Europa Club > G-SMDH trigear XS 912S with Airmaster > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "jonathanmilbank" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 12:09 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Monowheel to trigear conversion - figures > > >> >> We remain limited to 1370 lbs mauw in the UK and with the Airmaster AP332 plus the airframe strengthening mod, I find that my lowly 80 hp Rotax manages very well. Should 1450 lbs ever get approved, then one of the conditions imposed to use the extra 80 lbs would almost certainly be to instal a 100 hp engine. >> >> Having said all this, it still intrigues me that in the UK there are Europas weighing in empty at well over 900 lbs. For discussion's sake I'll take 920 lbs as an example. That leaves 450 lbs to play with. After near-filling the tank with 100 lbs of fuel, it is easy to see that only 350 lbs remain to accommodate two 175 lb occupants. Hmmm ! >> >> I've made an agreement with my group members that we leave the tank with 50 litres (80 lbs) for the next man, who can fill it further if he's not going to be flying heavy. 50 litres gives 2 hours of very safe flying with about 45 to 60 minutes reserve. >> >> This plan should work well for us with 861 lbs empty weight, but in the example of a 920 lb airframe also limited to 50 litres, there would only be 370 lbs remaining. Sorry to bore you with my simple arithmetic, but more than 4 decades of earning my living as a pilot have shaped my thinking into non-adventurous mode, as far as aircraft loading is concerned. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401106#401106 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:02 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 From: "Alan Carter" Hi All. 914. Has 4 Trigger Coils, on a horizontal mounting with 2 forward and 2 Aft. The Top Module connects to the : The 2 forward coils which are. Trigger coil A1/2 serves the Top sparking plugs of cylinders 1 and 2 Trigger coil A3/4 serves the Top sparking plugs of cylinders 3 and 4 These are active when the Left Mag Switch is selected ON. engine running on top plugs. I have colour coded the entire system from the LEFT MAG SWITCH. (L)ime/yellow. The bottom module connects to the: The 2 Aft coils are which are. Trigger coil B1/2 serves the bottom sparking plugs of cylinders 1 and 2 Trigger coil B3/4 serves the bottom sparking plugs of cylinders 3 and 4 I have colour coded the entire system from the RIGHT MAG SWITCH. Red This is my 914, Is they a standard mag switch wiring for this engine ?????. Should L be the top plugs.?ie ignition system A. ?? now all I have got to do is fix the bloody thing Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401131#401131 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:54:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 From: Robert Borger Alan, I don't think there's a standard ignition switch arrangement. I use two SPST switches. One for each ignition. Labeled them "Ignition" positioned over the two switches and A & B under each switch. FWIW, I also use those colored switch lever covers on my switches. Red on Master, Blue on Ignition, Yellow on Starter, Green on fuel pump, White on lights. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On May 22, 2013, at 3:25 PM, Alan Carter wrote: Hi All. 914. Has 4 Trigger Coils, on a horizontal mounting with 2 forward and 2 Aft. The Top Module connects to the : The 2 forward coils which are. Trigger coil A1/2 serves the Top sparking plugs of cylinders 1 and 2 Trigger coil A3/4 serves the Top sparking plugs of cylinders 3 and 4 These are active when the Left Mag Switch is selected ON. engine running on top plugs. I have colour coded the entire system from the LEFT MAG SWITCH. (L)ime/yellow. The bottom module connects to the: The 2 Aft coils are which are. Trigger coil B1/2 serves the bottom sparking plugs of cylinders 1 and 2 Trigger coil B3/4 serves the bottom sparking plugs of cylinders 3 and 4 I have colour coded the entire system from the RIGHT MAG SWITCH. Red This is my 914, Is they a standard mag switch wiring for this engine ?????. Should L be the top plugs.?ie ignition system A. ?? now all I have got to do is fix the bloody thing Alan ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:46:00 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 From: "Alan Carter" Hi Bob. My left mag switch fires the top plugs. This is the 914, On the 912 guess it does not matter as the left switch will fire a top and bottom pair. I like the 914 arrangement as its more logical, ie Left is the top and R is the bottom also you can eliminate it to either a problem in the top or bottom. But i would like to know if other 914 the left mag switch fires the top plugs. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401134#401134 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:59 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Garmin Skymap 111C From: "Alan Carter" Hi All. Sky Force sent me an aerial, plug it in and all was working again, so that is the problem. just go to find the other end of my old cable,?? Alan [/code] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401136#401136 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:16 PM PST US From: DAVID JOYCE Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Garmin Skymap 111C Alan I think I have a spare-skyforce Ariel and wire with plug on if you w ant to renew?=0A-=0Argds=0ADavid=0A=0ASent to you from David Joyce=0Awww. eastmidsspas.com=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Alan Carter =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013, 22:54=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: Garmin Skymap 11 q@onetel.net>=0A=0AHi All.=0ASky Force sent me an aerial, plug it in and al l was working again, so that=0Ais the problem. just go to find the other en d of my old cable,??=0AAlan- [/code]=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401136#401136=0A ==================== ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:41 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 From: "Alan Carter" Bob. How much do the coil's cost in the States, Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401140#401140 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:47 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: 5 point harnesses > Hi, I would like to install 5 point harnesses as our seated position, I believe, encourages the lap strap to ride up above your hips if your torso was quickly decelerated and the shoulder straps loaded up. Has anyone fitted one? I'm of a 1960 vintage, average height I believe for then, a whopping 5'9", and normal build meaning not too big a gut. If anyone has approx the same physical appearance, and a 5 point harness, could I ask where the ideal anchorage is aft of the vertical face of the thigh support? Thanks. Regards Tony Renshaw ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:02 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Garmin Skymap 111C From: "Alan Carter" Hi David. The aerial Sky force sent me was a small black box about 2.5"x2" internally mounted on the top of the instrument panel. Thanks will let you know if i need one. I would like to find just where my wire goes to.? Alan. Don,t happen to have a spare trigger coil. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401142#401142 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:20 PM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Preheating glass cloth > Hi, I'm laying up here in Sydney in temperatures that have recently turned towards our winter. I'm using West Systems which already does not wet out the cloth as well as the SP Systems, and has a shorter pot life, albeit in warmer weather. I'm preheating the job area, the Lift Pin external reinforcement lay ups, and mixing the resin and hardener under workshop spotlights that generate a lot of localised heat. The glass cloth though is cold, and I am wondering about placing it in foil in the oven to heat it up pre layup. I even thought of microwaving it, when my wife isn't at home. Any thoughts on the wisdom or otherwise of doing this? I want to make the cold cloth as conducive as possible to allow ingress of the resin into the individual fibres of a single thread, as I occasionally have had some small splinter strait ions in these layups that appear to be micro dry areas along certain fibres, but the matrix between them is fully wetted out. Thanks in anticipation. Regards Tony Renshaw ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:30:34 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Right mag drop and rought running on 914 From: Robert Borger Alan, Lockwood has the coils (part number 966 218) in stock for $299.46 Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On May 22, 2013, at 5:06 PM, Alan Carter wrote: Bob. How much do the coil's cost in the States, Alan ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Preheating glass cloth From: Robert Borger Tony, Forget the microwave. It won't heat glass cloth. Microwaves heat the water content of items. No water content to fiberglass cloth. At least there better not be any water in the cloth. Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com On May 22, 2013, at 5:26 PM, Tony Renshaw wrote: > Hi, I'm laying up here in Sydney in temperatures that have recently turned towards our winter. I'm using West Systems which already does not wet out the cloth as well as the SP Systems, and has a shorter pot life, albeit in warmer weather. I'm preheating the job area, the Lift Pin external reinforcement lay ups, and mixing the resin and hardener under workshop spotlights that generate a lot of localised heat. The glass cloth though is cold, and I am wondering about placing it in foil in the oven to heat it up pre layup. I even thought of microwaving it, when my wife isn't at home. Any thoughts on the wisdom or otherwise of doing this? I want to make the cold cloth as conducive as possible to allow ingress of the resin into the individual fibres of a single thread, as I occasionally have had some small splinter strait ions in these layups that appear to be micro dry areas along certain fibres, but the matrix between them is fully wetted out. Thanks in anticipation. Regards Tony Renshaw ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Preheating glass cloth From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Tony Warm up Resin and hardener a little, apply mixed resin to cloth on a plastic sheet, use heat gun to warm up all, then squeegee off excess, warm up target area with heat gun if needed. You can layup cloth with Redux like this if you are adhering to metal. When filling with plastic or glass balloons, if you mix really really dry, you can do last pass with a heated spackle type knife after you heat the dry mix and can usually get done what many think are impossible. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:37 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Preheating glass cloth Tony IF you can't have a warm immediate work area, you should be able to have a warm cupboard in which to keep the roll of glass? Bob Gowing (down near Vic Border) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 8:27 AM Subject: Europa-List: Preheating glass cloth --> > Hi, I'm laying up here in Sydney in temperatures that have recently turned towards our winter. I'm using West Systems which already does not wet out the cloth as well as the SP Systems, and has a shorter pot life, albeit in warmer weather. I'm preheating the job area, the Lift Pin external reinforcement lay ups, and mixing the resin and hardener under workshop spotlights that generate a lot of localised heat. The glass cloth though is cold, and I am wondering about placing it in foil in the oven to heat it up pre layup. I even thought of microwaving it, when my wife isn't at home. Any thoughts on the wisdom or otherwise of doing this? I want to make the cold cloth as conducive as possible to allow ingress of the resin into the individual fibres of a single thread, as I occasionally have had some small splinter strait ions in these layups that appear to be micro dry areas along certain fibres, but the matrix between them is fully wetted out. Thanks in anticipation. Regards Tony Renshaw ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:52 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Flap Bracket Repaint advice? From: "JonSmith" Hi all. After several years the paint on my flap hinge brackets is starting to flake off in places with signs of light corrosion on the aluminium. I intend to do a proper job and refurb them all. My thoughts are to clean them all back to the bare aluminium and treat with Alodine/ Alocrom having first prepared them with the special Alodine deoxidising treatment. Then repaint them using aerosol spray can paint as I do not have proper spray facilities or ability. Questions for the experts and those who have gone before...! In general does this sound a good course of action? Specifically, having applied the Alodine do I need some sort of undercoat/ primer paint next or can my choice of white glossy topcoat aerosol paint go straight onto the alodine? Also any tips for the best way to sand off the old paint & corrosion to reach bare metal? 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