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1. 12:53 AM - Re: Throttle Stops (Duncan & Ami)
2. 01:17 AM - Rear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Socket Mounting (Tony Renshaw)
3. 01:21 AM - Re: Throttle Stops (David Watts)
4. 01:55 AM - Re: Rear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Socket Mounting (Richard Wheelwright)
5. 04:27 AM - Re: Rear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Socket Mounting (richard)
6. 04:41 AM - Re: Throttle Stops (richard)
7. 05:11 AM - Re: Throttle Stops (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
8. 05:41 AM - Re: Airmaster AC200 Feather light on during flight (GBWFH2010)
9. 05:41 AM - Re: Rear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Socket Mounting (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us)
10. 09:12 AM - Re: Throttle Stops (Gilles Thesee)
11. 10:16 PM - Door Seals and poor fit to Fuselage (craig)
12. 11:01 PM - Official Europa-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
13. 11:05 PM - Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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Whilst complying with the LAA requirement for a throttle stop, it's
useful
to set up the cables so that the carb stops are reached first, followed
closely by the stop on the throttle lever itself if the lever is
deliberately pulled closed against the throttle lever stop. This limits
any
excess strain that can be applied to the cables, but provides a useful
facility to temporarily pull down the idle speed in flight (which in any
case will still always be well above the static setting, as the forward
motion drives the prop). As soon as the deliberate backpressure on the
lever
is released, 'normal service' is resumed
This facility makes a usefully large addition to rate of descent and is
helpful for landing in to short strips; it's like having an airbrake!
Duncan McF.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl
Pattinson
Sent: 30 May 2013 09:23
Subject: Europa-List: Throttle Stops
I seem to recall in the early days of Europa that the PFA dictated that
we
should install a physical throttle stop on the throttle lever (in the
cockpit).
I have never really understood the purpose of this as the carburettors
have
their own stops as IMHO one seems to fight against the other. As soon as
you
increase the idle RPM using the adjuster screws on the carb, the
throttle
lever is pulled forward by the cables, moving the lever away from the
cockpit stop.
We have flown quite happily with the carb stop limiting the slow running
with a gap of about 2 mm between the rear of the throttle lever and the
stop block (tufnol). However, we have just overhauled the carbs and are
resetting the balances etc so were wondering if this omission needs to
be
addressed - it would just be a matter of elongating the holes in the
throttle stop.
Reading through various articles on Rotax/ Bing carburettor balancing I
note
that these also stress the need for a cockpit end stop but give no
explanation as to why.
I'm sure there is a good reason, just need someone to cast some light on
this.
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Subject: | Rear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Socket Mounting |
I would like to request advice regarding methods of shaping the ply inserts for
the rear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Sockets if anyone has digressed from the manual,
either by material/medium or method. Thanks.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Aussie
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Subject: | Re: Throttle Stops |
Duncan,
You've got me there. Surely if you have already pulled the throttle back to t
he stop on the carb., pulling the lever any more will not make any differenc
e at all. Unless I am missing something.
Dave Watts
G-BXDY Classic Monowheel (Still just short of 2000hrs. But at least we are n
ow flying again from our previously waterlogged airfield, so another week sh
ould see us over the magic number, and loving every minute of it)
On 1 Jun 2013, at 08:52, "Duncan & Ami" <ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Whilst complying with the LAA requirement for a throttle stop, it's useful
to set up the cables so that the carb stops are reached first, followed clo
sely by the stop on the throttle lever itself if the lever is deliberately p
ulled closed against the throttle lever stop. This limits any excess strain
that can be applied to the cables, but provides a useful facility to tempor
arily pull down the idle speed in flight (which in any case will still alway
s be well above the static setting, as the forward motion drives the prop). A
s soon as the deliberate backpressure on the lever is released, 'normal serv
ice' is resumed
> This facility makes a usefully large addition to rate of descent and is he
lpful for landing in to short strips; it's like having an airbrake!
>
> Duncan McF.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-ser
ver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Pattinson
> Sent: 30 May 2013 09:23
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Throttle Stops
>
> I seem to recall in the early days of Europa that the PFA dictated that we
should install a physical throttle stop on the throttle lever (in the cockp
it).
>
> I have never really understood the purpose of this as the carburettors hav
e their own stops as IMHO one seems to fight against the other. As soon as y
ou increase the idle RPM using the adjuster screws on the carb, the throttle
lever is pulled forward by the cables, moving the lever away from the cockp
it stop.
>
> We have flown quite happily with the carb stop limiting the slow running w
ith a gap of about 2 mm between the rear of the throttle lever and the stop
block (tufnol). However, we have just overhauled the carbs and are resetti
ng the balances etc so were wondering if this omission needs to be addressed
=93 it would just be a matter of elongating the holes in the throttle
stop.
>
> Reading through various articles on Rotax/ Bing carburettor balancing I no
te that these also stress the need for a cockpit end stop but give no explan
ation as to why.
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> I=99m sure there is a good reason, just need someone to cast some li
ght on this.
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Subject: | Re: Rear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Socket Mounting |
Tony,=0A--- Depending on the thickness you need. I used waste from th
e tri-gear leg sockets ribs. I cut a 2 1/2 inch circle with a hole saw, the
n it was cut down through its edge at the angel needed to contour the side
of the fuselage. Worked a treat.=0A=0A============
=========0A=0ARichard Wheelwright=0A=======
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______=0A From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-list@m
atronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, 1 June 2013, 9:17=0ASubject: Europa-List: R
ear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Socket Mounting=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-List messag
e posted by: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0A=0AI would like to r
equest advice regarding methods of shaping the ply inserts for the rear Tra
iling Edge Lift Pin Sockets if anyone has digressed from the manual, either
by material/medium or method. Thanks.=0ARegards=0ATony Renshaw=0ASydney Au
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Subject: | Re: Rear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Socket Mounting |
I did the same as Richard W , I drew a circle on a piece of the 12mm
plywood the same dia as the bracket tried it in place with the wings in
position then once I had the thickness correct blended out from the
bracket circle to the edge this made the outside dia about 3 1/2 inches
. Then glue and glass as per manual. Good luck Richard C
From: Richard Wheelwright
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2013 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Socket Mounting
Tony,
Depending on the thickness you need. I used waste from the tri-gear
leg sockets ribs. I cut a 2 1/2 inch circle with a hole saw, then it was
cut down through its edge at the angel needed to contour the side of the
fuselage. Worked a treat.
===================
Richard Wheelwright
===================
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, 1 June 2013, 9:17
Subject: Europa-List: Rear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Socket Mounting
<tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
I would like to request advice regarding methods of shaping the ply
inserts for the rear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Sockets if anyone has
digressed from the manual, either by material/medium or method. Thanks.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sydney st"
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Subject: | Re: Throttle Stops |
Hi My understanding of this is that if you over travel the throttle
lever when closed you can unseat the cable outer from its carburettor
bracket. To reduce this possibility we are required by LAA to wire lock
the outer cable to that bracket and fit a throttle lever stop in the
cabin. Regards Richard
From: Alan Burrill
Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Throttle Stops
Carly,
>From the Rotax Installation Manual, Page 2-4.
"The addition of a throttle-closed stop is important to avoid the
possibility of excess tension on the throttle cable causing loss of
throttle control"
Alan
#0303
On 30 May 2013, at 09:22, Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
wrote:
I seem to recall in the early days of Europa that the PFA dictated
that we should install a physical throttle stop on the throttle lever
(in the cockpit).
I have never really understood the purpose of this as the carburettors
have their own stops as IMHO one seems to fight against the other. As
soon as you increase the idle RPM using the adjuster screws on the carb,
the throttle lever is pulled forward by the cables, moving the lever
away from the cockpit stop.
We have flown quite happily with the carb stop limiting the slow
running with a gap of about 2 mm between the rear of the throttle lever
and the stop block (tufnol). However, we have just overhauled the carbs
and are resetting the balances etc so were wondering if this omission
needs to be addressed ' it would just be a matter of elongating the
holes in the throttle stop.
Reading through various articles on Rotax/ Bing carburettor balancing
I note that these also stress the need for a cockpit end stop but give
no explanation as to why.
I=92m sure there is a good reason, just need someone to cast some
light on this.
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http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: | Re: Throttle Stops |
+1
Confused of Southampton
On 01/06/2013 09:21, David Watts wrote:
> Duncan,
>
> You've got me there. Surely if you have already pulled the throttle
> back to the stop on the carb., pulling the lever any more will not
> make any difference at all. Unless I am missing something.
>
> Dave Watts
> G-BXDY Classic Monowheel (Still just short of 2000hrs. But at least we
> are now flying again from our previously waterlogged airfield, so
> another week should see us over the magic number, and loving every
> minute of it)
>
> On 1 Jun 2013, at 08:52, "Duncan & Ami" <ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net
> <mailto:ami-mcfadyean@talktalk.net>> wrote:
>
>> Message
>> Whilst complying with the LAA requirement for a throttle stop, it's
>> useful to set up the cables so that the carb stops are reached first,
>> followed closely by the stop on the throttle lever itself if the
>> lever is deliberately pulled closed against the throttle lever stop.
>> This limits any excess strain that can be applied to the cables, but
>> provides a useful facility to temporarily pull down the idle speed in
>> flight (which in any case will still always be well above the static
>> setting, as the forward motion drives the prop). As soon as the
>> deliberate backpressure on the lever is released, 'normal service' is
>> resumed
>> This facility makes a usefully large addition to rate of descent and
>> is helpful for landing in to short strips; it's like having an airbrake!
>> Duncan McF.
>>
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Subject: | Re: Airmaster AC200 Feather light on during flight |
Bud,
Thank you for your very informative comments. I have cured the problem short term
but you have given me some excellent pointers regarding removing the root cause.
I will have the block off again and check the wiring.
Regards
--------
Gordon Grant
G-BWFH
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=401742#401742
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Subject: | Re: Rear Trailing Edge Lift Pin Socket Mounting |
Hi Tony
"anyone has digressed from the manual, either by material/medium or
method."
Here's how I did it:
http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=31838
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | Re: Throttle Stops |
Duncan & Ami a crit :
> Whilst complying with the LAA requirement for a throttle stop, it's
> useful to set up the cables so that the carb stops are reached first,
> followed closely by the stop on the throttle lever itself if the lever
> is deliberately pulled closed against the throttle lever stop. This
> limits any excess strain that can be applied to the cables, but
> provides a useful facility to temporarily pull down the idle speed in
> flight (which in any case will still always be well above the static
> setting, as the forward motion drives the prop). As soon as the
> deliberate backpressure on the lever is released, 'normal service' is
> resumed
> This facility makes a usefully large addition to rate of descent and
> is helpful for landing in to short strips; it's like having an airbrake!
Duncan and all,
In my opinion, an adjustable stop at the throttle lever is important for
2 things :
- Allowing an easy fine tuning of the idle speed without disturbing
anything in the engine compartment
- Preventing any stress on the throttle linkage and carb, which is the
principal cause of changes in idle adjustment and carb synchronization.
I crafted a webpage which may be of interest
http://contrails.free.fr/engine_rotax_stops.php
French only for the moment, but a Frenglish version might appear soon...
FWIW,
Best regards,
--
Gilles
http://contrails.free.fr
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Subject: | Door Seals and poor fit to Fuselage |
I am basically ready to paint my baby, but REALLY don't like the door seal
arrangement
With the seals off my doors are as close to perfect as I want, and they are
ok to close,
Just a small amount of force to overcome the strut for the rear lock pin to
close and lock the
Doors, all edges align nicely with the skin of the A/C, when I put the seals
on however
The doors become VERY hard to close and cause a 3 to 5mm bulge front back
top and bottom
In the middle between hinges locks etc. I was considering cutting down the
seal I bought to relieve most
Of the pressure on the door, or removing completely and using some of the
soft draft seal stuck
To the door to take up any gap. Has anyone done anything different to
resolve this
Thanks
Craig in OZ
Kit 577
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Subject: | Official Europa-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Europa-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Europa-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Europa-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Europa-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Europa-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Europa-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Europa-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Europa-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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