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1. 12:12 AM - Re: You'll cry....... (Neville Eyre)
2. 03:21 AM - Beringer wheel/brake for Mono wheel (Klaus Dietrich)
3. 08:26 AM - Re: Beringer wheel/brake for Mono wheel (Max Cointe (Free))
4. 11:24 AM - Luton to Stornoway - in the footsteps of DJ (graeme bird)
5. 11:28 AM - Re: Beringer wheel/brake for Mono wheel (Ian Cook)
6. 01:41 PM - Re: You'll cry....... (Fred Klein)
7. 02:21 PM - Re: Luton to Stornoway - in the footsteps of DJ (David Joyce)
8. 02:28 PM - Re: Luton to Stornoway - in the footsteps of DJ (KENNETH ATKINSON)
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| Subject: | Re: You'll cry....... |
Hi Ferg, I couldn't see any pictures ?
If what you have are steel pins with no heads, stuck in the bores of the fu
selage / wing spar bushes, here is one possible solution.
Auto body shops will have weld on studs for pulling dents out of body skins
, bit like the shanks of pop rivets. They are welded on a bit like spot we
lding, not too much heat generated.
These are then attached to a slide hammer to pull out the dent.
If you can get a wire through the seatback bush, to one side to make a grou
nd to the pin, and get the stud welded onto the middle of your pin, you may
have half a chance to pull the pin out with the slide hammer.
Get someone on the wing tip to wiggle up and down the same time as pulling
the pin.
Good luck,
Cheers,
Nev
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From: f.kyle <f.kyle@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wed, Jun 5, 2013 5:28 pm
Subject: Europa-List: You'll cry.......
Cheers,
Before I begin this chronicle, I beg you - do not open unless y
ou have a modicum of forbearance and compassion. Do not open within 2 hours
of eating. This article is based on my Mono, but detachable wings make i
t a Europa item for all who crave enjoyment
.
NOTE: Due to size restrictions, addenda, sketches and photos follow in
=9CYou=99ll cry 2=9D. I used =9CADJUNCT=9D to de
scribe various items.
After 15 years of building and boasting, I got the fuselage out
of the spare bedroom, and up to the airport to match with the wings. Life
improved at home markedly, but the wings were not obedient - perhaps becaus
e they had waited through two winters while the fuselage lay in relative co
mfort.
Attaching the wings, there was a marked =9Cthunk=9D
when the port pip-pin began its entry. I noticed that it was in only one i
nch or so, and surmised that the port spar was the reticent item. While I w
as cursing and sweating at this event, a buddy came across the hangar and s
lid the starboard pin in, slick as a whistle.
I mused as to how to react ,and after some consultation with th
e burgeoning Advisory Board (casually forming at the hangar), calculated th
at a =98tapered spindle=99, suitably divided into sections woul
d easily (a) urge the bushings on the port side to align as it entered, (b)
if properly sectioned, would fall in sections into the belly (for recovery
), when pressed forward into the dark, (c) as the pip-pin was installed in
trail. The bushings would then become accustomed to their fates and obey i
n future.
I designed the item in question - see Adjunct A [see PINTLE2,
attached} - and asked Heinz at the warplane to fashion it. The idea was tha
t the sections would follow one another because of a centring pin guarantee
ing concentricity.
Now to the design: I tried to measure the free distance from t
he back of the starboard spar bushing to the fuel tank forward face, as to
be the free space into which the sections would fall after passing through.
The opportunity to do this was badly restricted by (1) my loss of many sket
ches I made and stored on the computor. This latter dimmed in utility and I
=9Cupgraded=9D (I think they call it). Despite a thousand oath
s of purity, the family computer agent lost many sketches, including measur
ements now hidden in the completed fuselage. Let the court examine the draw
ings in chapters called =9CFuel Tank=9D (my #16) and are title
d Fig.2 =9CStrap baggage bay to maintain desired position=9D a
nd Fig. 3, =9CSectional view through centreline of tank=9D., or
see below as Adjuncts (B) and (C). [ADJUNCT(B) is SpindleMaster, attached
] [ADJUNCT (C) is PORTwingBOLT3, attached]
Back to the design. This was completed after a long
day, at about 11:45 pm. I callipered the space across the tank bottom and
scaled the drawing to calculate the space behind the spar bushings to the t
ank forward face to establish the length of the front section of the spindl
e for its fall on reaching freedom - see item (b), para 4 above. As Adjunct
(A) shows it came to 4.75 inches with 5/8 inches of space remaining. Plent
y.....
The device was produced by my buddy Heinz at the Warplane Herit
age Museum across the bay. Heinz reversed the connecting pin between sectio
ns (for centring purposes) It=99s shown as dotted red in ADJUNCT (C).
Back to para 3 and the =9Cthunk=9D. In that split second, I
realised what had happened. In my torpor, I had transcribed 2-3/4 inches t
o 4-3/4 inches in the plan. The spindle had thumped the fuel tank and was n
ow jammed part-way into the spars and stuck - - and so was I.
The present state, as displayed in Adjunct (C) was drawn full-size. At righ
t the Port pip-pin shows the thickness of spars and seat bulkhead to be cor
rect..... the relative thickness of bulkhead and spars might be incorrect,
but the total was right. Now, the effect of the reversed Heinz inter-secti
on pin became clear. Instead of a depression into which I might drill and
tap a thread to hold a retracting threaded rod, I=99m looking at the
pin. I used the front sections of the spindle to guide a smaller drill bit
into the pin. However, it was perhaps 0.5 mm off centre and some of the pi
n remained erect. As I continued, I felt the bit snag the face of the spind
le and it rotated. With the other end snug against the tank, I panicked tha
t perhaps I was drilling a hole in the tank. I blanched even further.
I am now being educated as to what lies in that sacred cavern - aileron rol
l mechanisms, two spars, the pitch control tube and several sets of nuts an
d bolts with which to contend. None of these devices seem to be shown in re
lative/measured position - and I can=99t see to look in.
If you=99re still with me, see Adjunct (D), [PINTLEsite.jpg, attached
] a print of the spindle in situ, courtesy of Al=99s boroscope. Yup,
there are the twin scars of an attempt to handsaw the 3/8 inch (+/-) stainl
ess steel spindle, oh, and a single rut produced when it was the other way
around.
So there you have it. That is the present state of affairs. An expert here
banned the use of a moderate-sized reciprocating saw - as bestial - prepare
d blade is Adjunct (E). ADJUNCT (F) is P5090153.JPG, attached, and is an ex
tended hacksaw blade arm with about 2 inches of teeth exposed - used by han
d to dig two of those ruts in the pintle in the boroscope view. I am contem
plating welding a long arm with 2 inches of hacksaw blade at the business e
nd and a jig saw attached outside the belly panel hole. One must remember t
hat the pip-pin is about 2 inches from the outer skin, so a reciprocator mu
st not have a larger range of travel. That=99s why the expert banned
the =9CSawzall=9D as they call it and I reverted to the other c
hoice (F).
If you have come this far, you must have an opinion - not of me, that
=99s assumed - but of the solution. If so, let me have it. Otherwise, you m
ay want to haunt this site hoping to hear of another choice later. In the m
eantime, please tell me the width of the spars and the depth of the seat ba
ck, and any photo of the spar entry holes (port side) so I can visualise th
e contents of same.
As the Old Guy said, =9CI have to close now as I hear Sister coming u
pstairs with that @#$%^& syringe=9D.
Cheers, Ferg
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| Subject: | Beringer wheel/brake for Mono wheel |
Just finished the installation of the Beringer wheel/brake kit into my
Europa mono wheel, OE-CKD:
I use Beringer's hand operated master brake cylinder (MP-004.3) with
remote mounted brake fluid reservoir, mounted on the centre console
(same position as the original);
no modifications to the slot and holes for the fixing screws on the
centre console are needed!
(some minor modifications on the master brake cylinder are needed to fit
into the centre console)
The Beringer kit came within one week after ordering, is superbly made,
works perfectly and telephone Support from Beringer is excellent!
They use the AirTrac 7-6:00 tire (without tube), which comes already
mounted on the wheel together with the brake.
Total weight saving: 2,5kg - I weighted all Europa parts: 11,8kg - all
Beringer parts: 9,3kg; both with AirTrac tire
It took me about 6 hours to install the kit.
see pictures at:
https://picasaweb.google.com/114561294600531719838/BeringerBrakeJune2013?a
uthuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCMKm1vmZ69aMGg&feat=directlink
blue sky and tail wind,
Klaus
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| Subject: | Beringer wheel/brake for Mono wheel |
Very nice piece indeed ! I wish we had the same for 3-gears L
Max Cointe
<mailto:mcointe@free.fr> mcointe@free.fr
F-PMLH Europa XS_TriGear
Kit #560-2003 912ULS/AirmasterAP332 450 hours
F-PLDJ Dyn=92A=E9ro MCR 4S
Kit #27-2002 912ULSFR/MTProp MTV7A 1550 heures
De : owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] De la part de Klaus
Dietrich
Envoy=E9 : jeudi 6 juin 2013 12:21
=C0 : europa-list@matronics.com
Objet : Europa-List: Beringer wheel/brake for Mono wheel
Just finished the installation of the Beringer wheel/brake kit into my
Europa mono wheel, OE-CKD:
=85
see pictures at:
https://picasaweb.google.com/114561294600531719838/BeringerBrakeJune2013?
aut
huser=0
<https://picasaweb.google.com/114561294600531719838/BeringerBrakeJune2013
?au
thuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCMKm1vmZ69aMGg&feat=directlink>
&authkey=Gv1sRgCMKm1vmZ69aMGg&feat=directlink
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| Subject: | Luton to Stornoway - in the footsteps of DJ |
I am planning a long fly for GUMPY in the UK up through the Manchester corridor
and then keeping to the west coast up to Stornoway. Is this area familiar to
anyone? Can I get mogas north or the lake district anywhere? or maybe UL91?
There is a big restricted zone R601B over Skye, anyone know if I am likely to
get clearance?
Could I camp anywhere up there? Will I be midged to death as soon as I open the
cockpit?
Anyone landed at Stornoway?
Tips appreciated as always.
--------
Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 55 hours 1 year
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Beringer wheel/brake for Mono wheel |
Klaus,
I have too just finished my installation in my motor glider G-CBHI
but with the operating lever on the control column. Still waiting for the UK
modification approval from the LAA.
Regards
Ian Cook
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Klaus Dietrich
Sent: 06 June 2013 11:21
Subject: Europa-List: Beringer wheel/brake for Mono wheel
Just finished the installation of the Beringer wheel/brake kit into my
Europa mono wheel, OE-CKD:
I use Beringer's hand operated master brake cylinder (MP-004.3) with remote
mounted brake fluid reservoir, mounted on the centre console (same position
as the original);
no modifications to the slot and holes for the fixing screws on the centre
console are needed!
(some minor modifications on the master brake cylinder are needed to fit
into the centre console)
The Beringer kit came within one week after ordering, is superbly made,
works perfectly and telephone Support from Beringer is excellent!
They use the AirTrac 7-6:00 tire (without tube), which comes already mounted
on the wheel together with the brake.
Total weight saving: 2,5kg - I weighted all Europa parts: 11,8kg - all
Beringer parts: 9,3kg; both with AirTrac tire
It took me about 6 hours to install the kit.
see pictures at:
https://picasaweb.google.com/114561294600531719838/BeringerBrakeJune2013?aut
huser=0
<https://picasaweb.google.com/114561294600531719838/BeringerBrakeJune2013?au
thuser=0&authkey=Gv1sRgCMKm1vmZ69aMGg&feat=directlink>
&authkey=Gv1sRgCMKm1vmZ69aMGg&feat=directlink
blue sky and tail wind,
Klaus
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| Subject: | Re: You'll cry....... |
Ferg...there is a space of 1.75" (45mm) between the face of my tank and
the aft edge of the 0.5" rod which connects to the aileron friction
plate. I'm suggesting that this gap would allow ample space for a
reciprocating saw blade of proper length to saw your pintle from
below...the trick will be to establish some reference points so that the
opening for the saw can be determined with some accuracy.
My suggestion would be to use a hole saw to cut a hole in the bottom of
the fuselage...say about 2" in diameter...if you make hatch marks for
the center point extending beyond the circumference of the circle, they
would make it easy to align the cut-out circle when you go to patch it
in once the problem's solved and your wings are off.
To locate the center point of your hole, perhaps starting from a
reference line drawn between the two fuel tank access holes would
do...?...if this sounds like a sensible approach to you (and to others
lurking on the list), I can give you a dimension fore and aft from that
line, and a second dimension off the centerline of the fuselage
bottom to locate the center point for the hole.
Let me know if you would like me to determine those dimensions and
establish that point.
My suggestions are based on the idea that a solution lies in finding a
way to cut off your "tapered pintle" which will then allow for you to
drive out the remaining portion which is now stuck in the spar holes.
But perhaps more experienced minds can find a better alternative.
Fred
On Jun 6, 2013, at 11:06 AM, <f.kyle@sympatico.ca> <f.kle@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> Fred, If the photo trip is for me, I am chuffed to think you would
doso. However to save time and digits, I am lookig for the space you
mention, i.e: up to three inches inward from the port skin, above and
below the pip-pin level, as that seems most probable. Also I have little
idea of the bits and pieces overhead the spars as well as underneath.
These may be useful for you too once the wings are on.
> Salaam, Ferg
>
> From: Fred Klein [mailto:fklein@orcasonline.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 12:28 PM
> To: f.kyle@sympatico.caf.kyle@sympatico.ca
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: You'll cry.......
>
> Ferg...
>
> Once again I'll say that your sketches are exquisite and quite
illuminating as to the situation you face...by all means send them to
everyone who's commented on your dilemma. My wings are presently not
installed, so I will head out to my shop w/ my camera and perhaps can
describe things visually from another perspective.
>
> Right now, I'm thinking that a possible solution might lie in a small
penetration in the bottom of your fuselage into which is inserted a
reciprocating blade of the proper length...but let me get back to you w/
more information.
>
> Fred
>
> On Jun 6, 2013, at 6:49 AM, <f.kyle@sympatico.ca>
<f.kyle@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
> Fred,
> Sorry, got so wrapped up in it, forgot the Matronics
restrictions. If you=92re still curious, here are the phoyos, minus two
of extended saw blades, one of which may be my last option....
> Ferg
>
> <PINTLE2.JPG><SpindleMaster.JPG><PORTwingBOLT3.JPG><PINTLEsite.JPG>
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| Subject: | Re: Luton to Stornoway - in the footsteps of DJ |
Graeme, I have landed at Stornaway, Oban and Barra - all
very friendly and helpful, but back in 2010 only offering
Avgas. Would suggest ringing the ops numbers in Pooleys
if you want to avoid Avgas. All the restricted zones are
non active at the W/Es but I don't know about other times.
Alasdair Milne is a bit of an expert on the area but is
between Arctic and Irish trips at the moment and may not
have time to offer advice. As far as midges go I think it
is more a question of whether midges like you or not. My
skin seems to be thick enough that I haven't been troubled
on a half dozen holidays in Scotland when others have been
much troubled, but I think the outer islands may be less
troubled than the mainland.
Regards, DJ/David
On Thu, 6 Jun 2013 11:23:31 -0700
"graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk> wrote:
><graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
>
> I am planning a long fly for GUMPY in the UK up through
>the Manchester corridor and then keeping to the west
>coast up to Stornoway. Is this area familiar to anyone?
>Can I get mogas north or the lake district anywhere? or
>maybe UL91?
> There is a big restricted zone R601B over Skye, anyone
>know if I am likely to get clearance?
> Could I camp anywhere up there? Will I be midged to
>death as soon as I open the cockpit?
> Anyone landed at Stornoway?
> Tips appreciated as always.
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
> Newby: 55 hours 1 year
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402142#402142
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Luton to Stornoway - in the footsteps of DJ |
Glenforsa,Isle of Mull - you can camp and obtain mogas from the local garag
e.Look in Pooleys and ring David Howitt. If the weather is good Glenforsa i
s magical! If you need mogas at Cark I can bring you some just get in touch
. Beware Cark is a parachute field PPR and study Pooleys for joining=0AG-CE
KV=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: graeme bird <graeme@g
dbmk.co.uk>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, 6 June 2013,
19:23=0ASubject: Europa-List: Luton to Stornoway - in the footsteps of DJ
o.uk>=0A=0AI am planning a long fly for GUMPY in the UK up through the Manc
hester corridor and then keeping to the west coast up to Stornoway. Is this
area familiar to anyone? Can I get mogas north or the lake district anywhe
re? or maybe UL91?=0AThere is a big restricted zone- R601B over Skye, any
one know if I am likely to get clearance?=0ACould I camp anywhere up there?
Will I be midged to death as soon as I open the cockpit?=0AAnyone landed a
t Stornoway?=0ATips appreciated as always.=0A=0A--------=0AGraeme Bird=0AG-
UMPY=0AMono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W=0ANewby: 55 hours 1 year =0Ag(at)gdbmk.co
.uk=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics
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