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Thu 06/20/13


Total Messages Posted: 16



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:05 AM - rotax 912 engine mount (Gill & Rod Palmer)
     2. 12:38 AM - Re: rotax 912 engine mount (rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk)
     3. 03:03 AM - Re: rotax 912 engine mount (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
     4. 03:17 AM - Part-Exchange? (gtagr)
     5. 05:31 AM - Europa Club Bash - This Weekend (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
     6. 06:37 AM - Fuel tank sensor opening problem (Frans Veldman)
     7. 09:07 AM - Re: Fuel tank sensor opening problem (Karl Heindl)
     8. 11:21 AM - Gumpys Day Out Scotland (graeme bird)
     9. 11:22 AM - Gumpys Day Out Scotland (graeme bird)
    10. 11:32 AM - Exhaust Fouling the Cowling (N6ZY)
    11. 12:37 PM - Re: Exhaust Fouling the Cowling (Steven Pitt)
    12. 12:48 PM - Re: Exhaust Fouling the Cowling (Neville Eyre)
    13. 12:59 PM - Re: Gumpys Day Out Scotland (Bob Harrison)
    14. 01:57 PM - Re: Gumpys Day Out Scotland (graeme bird)
    15. 02:02 PM - Re: Gumpys Day Out Scotland (graeme bird)
    16. 04:08 PM - Airplast Propeller (UVTREITH)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:05:53 AM PST US
    From: "Gill & Rod Palmer" <gilrod@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: rotax 912 engine mount
    Hi. Does anyone have a Rotax 912 ULS engine ring mount they would be prepared to sell, to help progress my XSTrigear build?


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    Time: 12:38:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: rotax 912 engine mount
    From: rpwheelwright@yahoo.co.uk
    Why not fit Nev's new engine frame as it is lighter and you do not need the r ing mount. It is also cheaper too Sent from my iPhon On 20 Jun 2013, at 08:04, "Gill & Rod Palmer" <gilrod@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Hi. Does anyone have a Rotax 912 ULS engine ring mount they would be prepa red to sell, to help progress my XSTrigear build? > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 03:03:32 AM PST US
    From: "nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk" <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: rotax 912 engine mount
    Yes. I have an unused one surplus to requirements and in pristine condition. I'm based in the UK. Contact me off-list if you're interested. Nigel On 20/06/2013 08:04, Gill & Rod Palmer wrote: > Hi. Does anyone have a Rotax 912 ULS engine ring mount they would be > prepared to sell, to help progress my XSTrigear build? > * > > > *


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    Time: 03:17:09 AM PST US
    Subject: Part-Exchange?
    From: "gtagr" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
    Hello, wondering if any UK builders on the forum would consider part-exchanging their kit (all levels of completion considered) for my flying and in-permit 912S Trigear? Reason: Whilst I'm enjoying owning and flying, i'm quite keen to build (again). The reg is G-TAGR, there's also an ad on AFORS with more detail/pics. ? Clive Sutton Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403035#403035


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    Time: 05:31:18 AM PST US
    From: "nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk" <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
    Subject: Europa Club Bash - This Weekend
    Just a reminder to our members that the Europa Club will be holding its 2013 Annual General Meeting and general "Good-time-bash" this Saturday at Popham airfield (EGHP - http://ukga.com/airfield/popham) and we will be open for business from late Friday afternoon through to Sunday - you are all cordially invited. We will have two large marquees so that anyone wishing to stay will have somewhere sheltered to stay over Friday and Saturday Night. Popham has a toilet block with washing facilities (but sadly now showers). To encourage you to come, the club will be providing a barbeque midday Saturday. On offer; ground mince burgers (with not a trace of horse), pork steaks, spicy chicken and beefsteaks. All we ask is that to bring along a pudding. On Saturday evening, to encourage you to stay over and make a party out of the event, our resident Chinese chef, Wun Hung-Lo will be providing what I think he said was "Stirred Fly wiv Lice". I'm not sure what that is but I have seen large piles of Dim Sum and chicken with black bean in his 'fridge. We have arranged for a couple of Pins of real ale but would invite you all to "bring a bottle" We have disposable glasses, but if you prefer to drink with style, please bring along your favourite tankard or wine glass. If anyone is musical, please bring along an instrument to provide some entertainment. I am waiting to see someone arrive with a double bass in a Europa. Sunday morning we will be providing bacon and eggs with fresh coffee, and then, much as we love you all, you'll have to shove off, as we'll need to get the marquees down! If any of the old Yorkshire "Europa Aviation" team is out there and listening, we would love to see you -- Ivan, Andy, Nev, Roger or John. (Remember lads; the food is free ;-). Nigel Links: Weather - http://www.xcweather.co.uk/GB/forecast Europa Club - http://www.theeuropaclub.org/


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    Time: 06:37:25 AM PST US
    From: Frans Veldman <frans@privatepilots.nl>
    Subject: Fuel tank sensor opening problem
    Dear friends, In my fuel tank I have cut two small openings for fuel sensors. Serious fuel leaks started to develop, so I have removed the sensors to have a look. What I discovered is that in the area around the cut outs the tank wall has become swollen and seriously distorted. I remember some discussion on this forum about the treatment the fuel tank received, that this treatment was only on the surface and once you cut a hole in the tank the fuel can reach the unprotected material. I tank mogas and the ethanol in it doesn't help either. The question is now, what should I do? Is there any way to rescue the affected material, or should I cut it out? If I cut out the area, I have a new cut and will face the same problem but on a larger scale, unless there is some way to treat the newly cut opening. If I make a new cut, how can I prevent it from happening again? Of course, replacement of the fuel tank is something I want to avoid at all costs (and even then, I want to have fuel sensors in the new tank so I will have to deal with the same problem anyway). Is there any quick fix possible? This is the flying saison and I don't want to spoil it if there is a way to postpone a more long lasting repair until the winter. Thanks in advance for some great ideas, Frans


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    Time: 09:07:02 AM PST US
    From: Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com>
    Subject: Fuel tank sensor opening problem
    Hi Frans=2C Making a larger opening in the tank is a very good idea anyway for future i nspections. My tank was never treated but is till in very good nick. Howeve r=2C the back wall had buckled inwards=2C even when it was still almost new . I have now installed internal braces to hold it in shape. For your proble m I can only suggest what I would do: make the larger opening=2C large enou gh so that your arm can go in=2C treat the affected area with Perma Seal fu el tank sealer=2C and close it again with your sensors in place. I made a g asket out of fuel resistant 3mm rubber. Cheers=2C Karl > Date: Thu=2C 20 Jun 2013 15:36:44 +0200 > From: frans@privatepilots.nl > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Fuel tank sensor opening problem > > > Dear friends=2C > > In my fuel tank I have cut two small openings for fuel sensors. Serious > fuel leaks started to develop=2C so I have removed the sensors to have a look. > > What I discovered is that in the area around the cut outs the tank wall > has become swollen and seriously distorted. > > I remember some discussion on this forum about the treatment the fuel > tank received=2C that this treatment was only on the surface and once you > cut a hole in the tank the fuel can reach the unprotected material. I > tank mogas and the ethanol in it doesn't help either. > > The question is now=2C what should I do? Is there any way to rescue the > affected material=2C or should I cut it out? > If I cut out the area=2C I have a new cut and will face the same problem > but on a larger scale=2C unless there is some way to treat the newly cut > opening. If I make a new cut=2C how can I prevent it from happening again ? > > Of course=2C replacement of the fuel tank is something I want to avoid at > all costs (and even then=2C I want to have fuel sensors in the new tank s o > I will have to deal with the same problem anyway). > > Is there any quick fix possible? This is the flying saison and I don't > want to spoil it if there is a way to postpone a more long lasting > repair until the winter. > > Thanks in advance for some great ideas=2C > Frans > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 11:21:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Gumpys Day Out Scotland
    From: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
    So, we made it to Scotland - 'Land of the Brave', though just a day trip yesterday. Luton > York -> Womble -> Sunderland, Newcastle, landed Escott (2:10) Ecsott - Berwick -> right over Edinburgh centre , landed and refuelled Cumbernauld (great place - landed with 11 ltrs), Up to loch Lomon, north of Glasgow zone over to Bute, down the coast over Prestwick, over boarders, solway firth, clear lake district landed at CARK, added 20ltrs Warton, Manchester (disappointed couldn't get permission through zone - took low level corridor), Stoke and home. 6.5hrs 675 nm, 141 litres -fantastic scenery still buzzin! -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 55 hours 1 year g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403048#403048 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03228_2_179.jpg


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    Time: 11:22:01 AM PST US
    Subject: Gumpys Day Out Scotland
    From: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
    So, we made it to Scotland - 'Land of the Brave', though just a day trip yesterday. Luton > York -> Womble -> Sunderland, Newcastle, landed Escott (2:10) Ecsott - Berwick -> right over Edinburgh centre , landed and refuelled Cumbernauld (great place - landed with 11 ltrs), Up to loch Lomon, north of Glasgow zone over to Bute, down the coast over Prestwick, over boarders, solway firth, clear lake district landed at CARK, added 20ltrs Warton, Manchester (disappointed couldn't get permission through zone - took low level corridor), Stoke and home. 6.5hrs 675 nm, 141 litres -fantastic scenery still buzzin! -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 55 hours 1 year g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403049#403049 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03228_2_165.jpg


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    Time: 11:32:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Exhaust Fouling the Cowling
    From: "N6ZY" <jffisher@gmail.com>
    I am in the process of fitting the cowling to my 914-equipped XS. The number 1 exhaust pipe seems to be touching the cowling, and may even be pushing it forward. I am sure that I am not the first person to hit this issue. My current thought is to cut the cowling away from where the exhaust pipe is touching it, to fair a blister into the cowl, then wrap the exhaust pipe. In addition the number 1 EGT port is almost touching the cowl. It may be that the exact engine position relative to the cowl varies slightly with how the engine frame is bolted to the airframe, but the tolerances here do seem very tight. I would appreciate hearing what everyone else has done if they hit the same problem. Thanks. Jerry Fisher Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403050#403050


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    Time: 12:37:29 PM PST US
    From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: Exhaust Fouling the Cowling
    Jerry, Exactly my experience. Had to cut and reform that part of the cowling and even then had to add reflective heat resistant tape to the inside of the cowling to save the exhaust pipe burning through. You don't notice the larger port bulge from the outside unless you know what you are looking for. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH 912S XS trigear ----- Original Message ----- From: "N6ZY" <jffisher@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:32 PM Subject: Europa-List: Exhaust Fouling the Cowling > > I am in the process of fitting the cowling to my 914-equipped XS. The > number 1 exhaust pipe seems to be touching the cowling, and may even be > pushing it forward. I am sure that I am not the first person to hit this > issue. My current thought is to cut the cowling away from where the > exhaust pipe is touching it, to fair a blister into the cowl, then wrap > the exhaust pipe. In addition the number 1 EGT port is almost touching > the cowl. > > It may be that the exact engine position relative to the cowl varies > slightly with how the engine frame is bolted to the airframe, but the > tolerances here do seem very tight. > > I would appreciate hearing what everyone else has done if they hit the > same problem. Thanks. > > Jerry Fisher > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403050#403050 > > >


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    Time: 12:48:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Exhaust Fouling the Cowling
    From: Neville Eyre <neveyre@aol.com>
    Hi Jerry, Sounds about usual, the EGT probe position can be sorted by moving the bush in the header, Dave, the welder at Europa has a jig to reposition / re wel d, talk to Karen. Easiest way to get additional clearance between the headers and the cowl, i s to cut the cowl around the top of the ''eyeball'' holes, and cut down the side of the fairing to allow the eyeball to be pulled [ hinged ] forward. re glass with 4 plies of Bid, and use high temp / fire retardant polyester resin. Ally foil skinned glass cloth material should be used to keep the heat off the cowl. Even with increased gaps, it will still cook and burn the paint o ff if you try a WOT ground run for more than a couple of minutes. Get the cowl as far forward as you can, a 1/8'' gap from the front face to the back of the spinner is JUST enough. Cheers, Nev -----Original Message----- From: N6ZY <jffisher@gmail.com> Sent: Thu, Jun 20, 2013 7:32 pm Subject: Europa-List: Exhaust Fouling the Cowling I am in the process of fitting the cowling to my 914-equipped XS. The numb er 1 exhaust pipe seems to be touching the cowling, and may even be pushing it forward. I am sure that I am not the first person to hit this issue. My current thought is to cut the cowling away from where the exhaust pipe is touching it, to fair a blister into the cowl, then wrap the exhaust pipe. In addition the number 1 EGT port is almost touching the cowl. It may be that the exact engine position relative to the cowl varies slight ly with how the engine frame is bolted to the airframe, but the tolerances her e do seem very tight. I would appreciate hearing what everyone else has done if they hit the same problem. Thanks. Jerry Fisher Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403050#403050


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    Time: 12:59:38 PM PST US
    From: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Gumpys Day Out Scotland
    Well done Graeme, you just have to pick the right weather! Then do a report for the magazine! The way to go ! Regards Bob Harrison -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of graeme bird Sent: 20 June 2013 19:22 Subject: Europa-List: Gumpys Day Out Scotland So, we made it to Scotland - 'Land of the Brave', though just a day trip yesterday. Luton > York -> Womble -> Sunderland, Newcastle, landed Escott (2:10) Ecsott - Berwick -> right over Edinburgh centre , landed and refuelled Cumbernauld (great place - landed with 11 ltrs), Up to loch Lomon, north of Glasgow zone over to Bute, down the coast over Prestwick, over boarders, solway firth, clear lake district landed at CARK, added 20ltrs Warton, Manchester (disappointed couldn't get permission through zone - took low level corridor), Stoke and home. 6.5hrs 675 nm, 141 litres -fantastic scenery still buzzin! -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 55 hours 1 year g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403049#403049 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03228_2_165.jpg


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    Time: 01:57:17 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gumpys Day Out Scotland
    From: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
    Sorry that should have been 114 litres Another pic from Cumbria, tried to resize it -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 55 hours 1 year g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403055#403055 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03287_a_143.jpg


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    Time: 02:02:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gumpys Day Out Scotland
    From: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
    Sorry that should have been 114 litres Another pic from Cumbria, tried to resize it -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 55 hours 1 year g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403056#403056 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03287_a_134.jpg


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    Time: 04:08:43 PM PST US
    From: "UVTREITH" <uvtreith@t-online.de>
    Subject: Airplast Propeller
    Hi Europa Family, I would like to know more about Airplast Propeller. The only information, which I can find within the web is only in French and without contacts. Are there information in English available and who is the person which I could contact for repair and/or purchase reasons? Many thanks for help. Bruno Reith Monowheel XS-Mercedes-Brabus engine-Warp Drive




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