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Fri 06/21/13


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 12:45 AM - Re: Fuel tank sensor opening problem (Remi Guerner)
     2. 12:53 AM - Re: Airplast Propeller (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
     3. 03:43 AM - Re: Airplast Propeller (Alan Carter)
     4. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Airplast Propeller (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
     5. 10:03 AM - Re: Europa Club Bash - This Weekend (iancook)
     6. 10:05 AM - Re: where to locate fuel pressure sensor (Rowland Carson)
     7. 10:20 AM - fuel return line restrictor (Rowland Carson)
     8. 10:41 AM - Re: Europa Club Bash - This Weekend (Carl Pattinson)
     9. 11:06 AM - Geotagging - Gumpys Day Out Scotland (Carl Pattinson)
    10. 11:43 AM - Re: fuel return line restrictor (Carl Pattinson)
    11. 11:54 AM - Re: Geotagging - Gumpys Day Out Scotland (graeme bird)
    12. 12:33 PM - Re: Europa Club Bash - This Weekend (Nigel_graham)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:45:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank sensor opening problem
    From: "Remi Guerner" <air.guerner@orange.fr>
    Frans, Could you please sends pictures? Remi Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403075#403075


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    Time: 12:53:31 AM PST US
    From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Airplast Propeller
    Bruno=0Atry +33 490745289 and arplast@wnadoo.fr also=0A=0AAlain Petit; hal. 1@wanadoo.fr=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: UVTREI TH <uvtreith@t-online.de>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, 21 June 2013, 0:07=0ASubject: Europa-List: Airplast Propeller=0A =0A=0A=0A =0AHi Europa Family,=0A-=0AI would like to know more=0Aabout Airplast Pro peller.=0AThe only information,=0Awhich I can find within the web is only i n French and without contacts.=0AAre there information in English=0Aavailab le and who is the person which I could contact for repair and/or=0Apurchase reasons?=0AMany thanks for help.=0A-=0ABruno Reith=0AMonowheel=0AXS-Merc =========================0A =======================


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    Time: 03:43:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Airplast Propeller
    From: "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
    Hi All. I have a PV 50 constant speed prop. As far as" looks go", it is one of the best looking blades I have seen on Europa's. So far I have had no trouble with the prop, however the blades have a lot of free play in them when you wiggle them about, ? I am told this is normal on the PV 50, the only servicing I know of is to grease the Lead Screw once a year at permit renewal. As far a contacting them, its hopeless unless you speak French, they seem to have a hung up on this, so if English is your language you have a big problem. Now 12000 miles away in New Zealand you have AirMaster, speak English and will answer the phone, or reply to your e-mail the next day. Good prop, but its not as nice looking as the PV 50. Regards Alan Ps Please let me know if you get to speak to Arblast on the number give bt Graham Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403079#403079


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    Time: 09:18:08 AM PST US
    From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Airplast Propeller
    Best approach is probably to stumble along in French and they might take pi ty, tell them I said they were good people.=0Awhich they are, a bit apologe tic about their English but also bruised by past contact with PFA.=0AGraham =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Alan Carter <alancartere sq@onetel.net>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, 21 June 201 3, 11:43=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: Airplast Propeller=0A =0A=0A--> Europa -List message posted by: "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net>=0A=0AHi A ll.=0AI have a PV 50 constant speed prop.=0AAs far as" looks go", it is one of the best looking blades I have seen on Europa's.=0ASo far I have had no trouble with the prop, however the blades have a lot of free play in them when you wiggle them about, ? I am told this is normal on the PV 50, the on ly servicing I know of is to grease the Lead Screw once a year at permit re newal.=0AAs far a contacting them, its hopeless unless you speak French, th ey seem to have a hung up on this, so if English is your language you have a big problem.=0ANow 12000 miles away in New Zealand you have AirMaster, sp eak English and will answer the phone, or reply to your e-mail the next day .=0AGood prop, but its not as nice looking as the PV 50.=0A=0ARegards =0AAl an=0A=0APs Please let me know if you get to speak to Arblast on the number give bt Graham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forum =============


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    Time: 10:03:22 AM PST US
    From: iancook <iancook_1@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Europa Club Bash - This Weekend
    What time are you aiming to hold the AGM? Regards Ian From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk Sent: 20 June 2013 13:31 Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club Bash - This Weekend Just a reminder to our members that the Europa Club will be holding its 2013 Annual General Meeting and general "Good-time-bash" this Saturday at Popham airfield (EGHP - http://ukga.com/airfield/popham) and we will be open for business from late Friday afternoon through to Sunday - you are all cordially invited. We will have two large marquees so that anyone wishing to stay will have somewhere sheltered to stay over Friday and Saturday Night. Popham has a toilet block with washing facilities (but sadly now showers). To encourage you to come, the club will be providing a barbeque midday Saturday. On offer; ground mince burgers (with not a trace of horse), pork steaks, spicy chicken and beefsteaks. All we ask is that to bring along a pudding. On Saturday evening, to encourage you to stay over and make a party out of the event, our resident Chinese chef, Wun Hung-Lo will be providing what I think he said was "Stirred Fly wiv Lice". I'm not sure what that is but I have seen large piles of Dim Sum and chicken with black bean in his 'fridge. We have arranged for a couple of Pins of real ale but would invite you all to "bring a bottle" We have disposable glasses, but if you prefer to drink with style, please bring along your favourite tankard or wine glass. If anyone is musical, please bring along an instrument to provide some entertainment. I am waiting to see someone arrive with a double bass in a Europa. Sunday morning we will be providing bacon and eggs with fresh coffee, and then, much as we love you all, you'll have to shove off, as we'll need to get the marquees down! If any of the old Yorkshire "Europa Aviation" team is out there and listening, we would love to see you - Ivan, Andy, Nev, Roger or John. (Remember lads; the food is free ;-). Nigel Links: Weather - http://www.xcweather.co.uk/GB/forecast Europa Club - http://www.theeuropaclub.org/


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    Time: 10:05:06 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: where to locate fuel pressure sensor
    From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
    On 13 Jun 2013, at 12:13, richard wrote: > new rotax engines are supplied with just such a manifold, contact Conair for a price Richard - I spoke with Conair and although I wasn't able to identify _all_ the part numbers for the fuel manifold, the total for those I found came to 578.55 sterling so I think I will be seeking cheaper options! > For what its worth I modified the fuel pipe runs, dispensing with the rubber pipes in favour of proper aircraft aluminium see Mod No 13304 Where can I find info on Mod 13304? It doesn't appear on the LAA website anywhere I can find. I checked the list of all prototype mods (which only shows up to Mod 12403 for Europas) and the list of Standard Mods for Europas. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson


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    Time: 10:20:09 AM PST US
    From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
    Subject: fuel return line restrictor
    While delving into the various Rotax manuals in pursuit of information about the fuel manifold, I noted the dimensions of the restrictor in the fuel return line - 0.35mm ID. I have been considering the most elegant way to incorporate the restrictor supplied by Europa (FS02) into my home-brewed alternative to the Rotax manifold and so checked its dimensions. I find that the restrictor hole will easily pass a number 71 drill bit, but barely accepts the shank of a number 70 drill bit. So I deduce that the orifice is about 0.7mm ID, ie twice the diameter of the Rotax one. Why should Europa have supplied a different size of restrictor from that called out by Rotax? Looks as though the Rotax orifice will (in any otherwise identical circumstance) allow the fuel pressure to build up slightly higher, and return less fuel to the tank, than the Europa one. It might just make the difference between pass and fail in a fuel flow test. Has anyone had any issues traceable to this difference between the Europa-supplied restrictor and the Rotax one? I might consider machining up my own manifold (obviously I'm heading into deep water with LAA engineering here) and if so, which size of orifice should I incorporate? Should it be removable, rather than integral, to allow fine-tuning of fuel pressure? in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson


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    Time: 10:41:03 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Europa Club Bash - This Weekend
    Flying in is looking pretty iffy for tomorrow weather wise still for us only 90 minutes' drive to Basingstoke so we'll be there regardless. Looking out the window now its bright sunshine (Buckingham) and rain was forecast so hopefully the weather men have got it wrong for tomorrow as well. Any idea of timings for the barbecue and AGM - sure its published somewhere but no idea where. Sunday is looking like a better day but we'll have to wait and see. Actually the link below is showing quite reasonable weather for Saturday and Sunday http://www.xcweather.co.uk/GB/forecast - sure you haven't doctored it to encourage attendance ? From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk Sent: 20 June 2013 13:31 Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club Bash - This Weekend Just a reminder to our members that the Europa Club will be holding its 2013 Annual General Meeting and general "Good-time-bash" this Saturday at Popham airfield (EGHP - http://ukga.com/airfield/popham) and we will be open for business from late Friday afternoon through to Sunday - you are all cordially invited. We will have two large marquees so that anyone wishing to stay will have somewhere sheltered to stay over Friday and Saturday Night. Popham has a toilet block with washing facilities (but sadly now showers). To encourage you to come, the club will be providing a barbeque midday Saturday. On offer; ground mince burgers (with not a trace of horse), pork steaks, spicy chicken and beefsteaks. All we ask is that to bring along a pudding. On Saturday evening, to encourage you to stay over and make a party out of the event, our resident Chinese chef, Wun Hung-Lo will be providing what I think he said was "Stirred Fly wiv Lice". I'm not sure what that is but I have seen large piles of Dim Sum and chicken with black bean in his 'fridge. We have arranged for a couple of Pins of real ale but would invite you all to "bring a bottle" We have disposable glasses, but if you prefer to drink with style, please bring along your favourite tankard or wine glass. If anyone is musical, please bring along an instrument to provide some entertainment. I am waiting to see someone arrive with a double bass in a Europa. Sunday morning we will be providing bacon and eggs with fresh coffee, and then, much as we love you all, you'll have to shove off, as we'll need to get the marquees down! If any of the old Yorkshire "Europa Aviation" team is out there and listening, we would love to see you - Ivan, Andy, Nev, Roger or John. (Remember lads; the food is free ;-). Nigel Links: Weather - http://www.xcweather.co.uk/GB/forecast Europa Club - http://www.theeuropaclub.org/


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    Time: 11:06:59 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Geotagging - Gumpys Day Out Scotland
    I was curious to know the exact location of Graeme's recent photos but as yet most cameras dont log this information. Most cameras now log time, date, Camera make and a whole load of other data but not lat and long (or altitude lol - am I asking too much? ) With retirement imminent we are looking to get much more flying in this next year. I told the Mrs (Dot) that she needs to get to grips with my new Canon SLR so that we can keep a pictorial record of our flying adventures (to come ). She pointed out that one aerial pic looks much the same as another and it would be a good idea to identify where a picture was taken - shame she didnt mention it before we purchased the camera. The fact is that few cameras (with the exception of mobile phones) have a Geo-tagging facility. Canon offer a solution but at 250 for that accessory was looking a bit steep. Enter Eye-Fi http://www.eye.fi/ its a SD memory card with a built in Wi-Fi transmitter Although not real time Geo Tagging (and we know the Europa is a speedy bird) this wirelessly transmits images directly from the camera to a memory card on your mobile phone. This can be done automatically as soon as the picture is taken. Once the phone logs the image it can Geo-tag it automatically using the phones GPS data. For 30 this sounds like a fairly neat solution (Amazon) and should work with any camera using a SD card which most cameras do. I would be interested to know if any other Europhiles use Geo-Tagging to log their airborne (or other) photos and if so what means used to log the data. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of graeme bird Sent: 20 June 2013 22:02 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Gumpys Day Out Scotland Sorry that should have been 114 litres Another pic from Cumbria, tried to resize it -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 55 hours 1 year g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403056#403056 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc03287_a_134.jpg


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    Time: 11:43:44 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: fuel return line restrictor
    Hi Rowland, We have the Europa restrictor and with the new pump the fuel pressure comes in at 5psi (the higher end of what is required). We did some fuel pressure checks with an analogue guage and the pressure was pretty much the same at idle and full power. I think the new Rotax pumps are self regulating (pressure wise) soi the size of the rerstrictor would seem to be irrelavent. IMHO the more fuel that bleeds back to the tank the better (within reason) as this keeps the temps in the engine bay as low as possible. Carl - G-LABS -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson Sent: 21 June 2013 18:20 Subject: Europa-List: fuel return line restrictor --> <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> While delving into the various Rotax manuals in pursuit of information about the fuel manifold, I noted the dimensions of the restrictor in the fuel return line - 0.35mm ID. I have been considering the most elegant way to incorporate the restrictor supplied by Europa (FS02) into my home-brewed alternative to the Rotax manifold and so checked its dimensions. I find that the restrictor hole will easily pass a number 71 drill bit, but barely accepts the shank of a number 70 drill bit. So I deduce that the orifice is about 0.7mm ID, ie twice the diameter of the Rotax one. Why should Europa have supplied a different size of restrictor from that called out by Rotax? Looks as though the Rotax orifice will (in any otherwise identical circumstance) allow the fuel pressure to build up slightly higher, and return less fuel to the tank, than the Europa one. It might just make the difference between pass and fail in a fuel flow test. Has anyone had any issues traceable to this difference between the Europa-supplied restrictor and the Rotax one? I might consider machining up my own manifold (obviously I'm heading into deep water with LAA engineering here) and if so, which size of orifice should I incorporate? Should it be removable, rather than integral, to allow fine-tuning of fuel pressure? in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson


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    Time: 11:54:31 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Geotagging - Gumpys Day Out Scotland
    From: "graeme bird" <graeme@gdbmk.co.uk>
    Sometimes one can deduce by triangulation :-) Retire; far to young for that surely? -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 55 hours 1 year g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=403114#403114 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/edinburugh_161.jpg


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    Time: 12:33:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Europa Club Bash - This Weekend
    From: Nigel_graham <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
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