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1. 01:00 AM - Re: Re: Whats happened to DOTH's (KENNETH ATKINSON)
2. 05:36 PM - UV primer(s) (Fred Klein)
3. 05:51 PM - Re: UV primer(s) (William McClellan)
4. 06:30 PM - Re: UV primer(s) (Fred Klein)
5. 06:35 PM - Re: UV primer(s) (Fred Klein)
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Subject: | Re: Whats happened to DOTH's |
We also enjoyed the DOTH to Swansea yesterday. We flew from Cark to Lands E
nd. The lady there was very helpful and the breakfast in a bun was excellen
t. I am sorry we were a bit late into Swansea-We did wave as you took off!
Swansea were obliging and accepted our LAA voucher OK. We flew back via the
Welsh coast.--- A brilliant Europa day!=0A-=0A------
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----------- Cheers Ken Atkinson=0A------
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CEKV=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Richard Iddon <ridd
on@sent.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, 11 July 201
3, 22:06=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Whats happened to DOTH's=0A =0A
Pleased to report that we enjoyed a very nice trip to, and a tasty bacon bu
ttie at Swansea today. Despite the tower advising me that the cafe would no
t be open when I phoned for PPR! Returned via Caernarfon for a brew. One mo
re Europa turned up just as were lining up for departure at Swansea around
1:30. Apologies if you arrived for the DOTH and we missed you.=0A=0ARichard
Iddon. =0A=0AG-RIXS=0A=0AOn 10 Jul 2013, at 00:45, Bill & Sue <Billand
& Sue" <Billandsue@billbell.co.uk>=0A> =0A> We flew in to Swansea today
and it is very nice too- but no cafe. =0A> Sitting in the sunshine on the
grass outside is fine but there appear to be no facilities (not so much as
a chair!) when the cafe is shut. The firemen made us a very nice cuppa and
told us the cafe is open Fiday, Saturday and other times at random. It woul
d be worth checking that the with the tower when ringing for PPR that the c
afe is open- apparently they tell by the smell of bacon cooking.=0A> We did
warn them of a possible influx of Europas- so perhaps they will make an
extra effort!=0A> =0A> Enjoy the outing.=0A> =0A> Bill & Sue=0A> =0A> =0A>
=0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com
/viewtopic.php?p=404334#404334=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A
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I've been using the Stits / Poly Fiber products for filling and priming, namely
the SuperFil and the SmoothPrime "pinhole killer", and the EP-420 primer/sealer...have
just missed making a serious mistake...and thought it was worth my time
to share my experience.
I've found all the products very easy to work with and satisfying to bring to the
desired level of smoothness...particularly the hi-build SmoothPrime, using
a 3 foot sanding board starting at 220 grit before going up to 320 paper. I've
been particularly prideful for doing my entire airframe w/ only 2 gallons.
And that hi-build SmoothPirme is REALLY heavy stuff...so w/ weight always a concern,
i was pretty aggressive with the sanding as I strove to first, achieve as
straight and true a (wing) surface as I could, and second, to make sure that
as much as possible of the weight of all that SmoothPrime ended up in the canister
of the shop vac. It certainly didn't bother me that my wing surfaces, as
smooth and true as they may be, got pretty blotchy w/ ALL the SmoothPrime removed
in some areas where great areas of blue SuperFil became visable. It didn't
bother me because I knew I would be applying the white EP-420 epoxy primer
on top...and all of this time, I believed that the EP-420 would provide the necessary
UV protection. WRONG !!
The EP-420, 2 part epoxy primer DOES NOT provide any UV protection...I had misread
or misremembered...and only learned by chance during a conversation on a
related matter w/ a Stits tech person.
So with that Stits product line, it is the SmoothPrime which provides the UV protection...not
the EP-420 primer/sealer! And I'll be working on a 3rd gallon...rolling
on 3 coats...sanding it smooth down to 400 grit...but stopping while
I still have a white airplane...before applying the EP-420 primer/sealer.
Fred
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Subject: | Re: UV primer(s) |
Fred, a suggestion, if you can spray on the Smooth Prime, it will be a lot more
consistent and as you know after rolling it on, there is lots more sanding after
rolling than if you can spray it on. Also, John Lawton gave me a paint to
use that is UV protective, albeit very expensive paint, $500 + a gallon and two
qts hardener (and illegal in Calif).
Bill McClellan
-----Original Message-----
>From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>Sent: Jul 12, 2013 5:35 PM
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Europa-List: UV primer(s)
>
>
>I've been using the Stits / Poly Fiber products for filling and priming, namely
the SuperFil and the SmoothPrime "pinhole killer", and the EP-420 primer/sealer...have
just missed making a serious mistake...and thought it was worth my
time to share my experience.
>
>I've found all the products very easy to work with and satisfying to bring to
the desired level of smoothness...particularly the hi-build SmoothPrime, using
a 3 foot sanding board starting at 220 grit before going up to 320 paper. I've
been particularly prideful for doing my entire airframe w/ only 2 gallons.
>
>And that hi-build SmoothPirme is REALLY heavy stuff...so w/ weight always a concern,
i was pretty aggressive with the sanding as I strove to first, achieve
as straight and true a (wing) surface as I could, and second, to make sure that
as much as possible of the weight of all that SmoothPrime ended up in the canister
of the shop vac. It certainly didn't bother me that my wing surfaces, as
smooth and true as they may be, got pretty blotchy w/ ALL the SmoothPrime removed
in some areas where great areas of blue SuperFil became visable. It didn't
bother me because I knew I would be applying the white EP-420 epoxy primer
on top...and all of this time, I believed that the EP-420 would provide the necessary
UV protection. WRONG !!
>
>The EP-420, 2 part epoxy primer DOES NOT provide any UV protection...I had misread
or misremembered...and only learned by chance during a conversation on a
related matter w/ a Stits tech person.
>
>So with that Stits product line, it is the SmoothPrime which provides the UV protection...not
the EP-420 primer/sealer! And I'll be working on a 3rd gallon...rolling
on 3 coats...sanding it smooth down to 400 grit...but stopping while
I still have a white airplane...before applying the EP-420 primer/sealer.
>
>Fred
>
>
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Subject: | Re: UV primer(s) |
On Jul 12, 2013, at 5:51 PM, William McClellan wrote:
> uta suggestion, if you can spray on the Smooth Prime, it will be a lot
more consistent and as you know after rolling it on, there is lots more
sanding after rolling than if you can spray it on. Also, John Lawton
gave me a paint to use that is UV protective, albeit very expensive
paint, $500 + a gallon and two qts hardener (and illegal in Calif).
Hey Bill...how'ya doin?
Re: spraying SmoothPrime...for the life of me, I can't imagine the high
viscosity SmoothPrime flowing thru a spray gun.
I have VERY minimal experience spray painting, so my comfort level at
trying to spray Smoothprime is very low. Have you thinned the
stuff?...with what?
I'm very comfortable rolling it but that's just playing to my fears. Up
til now, I haven't minded the extra sanding since it cuts so nicely...of
course, I am planning to spray the EP-420 sealer/primer.
Fred
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Subject: | Re: UV primer(s) |
On Jul 12, 2013, at 5:51 PM, William McClellan wrote:
> John Lawton gave me a paint to use that is UV protective, albeit very
expensive paint, $500 + a gallon and two qts hardener (and illegal in
Calif).
Bill...what would be the brand of that paint?...if you don't mind
letting the NSA know as well...
Is that a top coat?
Will you / have you still use(d) a sealer for the SmoothPrime?
Fred
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