---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/12/13: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:00 AM - Re: Re: Whats happened to DOTH's (KENNETH ATKINSON) 2. 05:36 PM - UV primer(s) (Fred Klein) 3. 05:51 PM - Re: UV primer(s) (William McClellan) 4. 06:30 PM - Re: UV primer(s) (Fred Klein) 5. 06:35 PM - Re: UV primer(s) (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:59 AM PST US From: KENNETH ATKINSON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Whats happened to DOTH's We also enjoyed the DOTH to Swansea yesterday. We flew from Cark to Lands E nd. The lady there was very helpful and the breakfast in a bun was excellen t. I am sorry we were a bit late into Swansea-We did wave as you took off! Swansea were obliging and accepted our LAA voucher OK. We flew back via the Welsh coast.--- A brilliant Europa day!=0A-=0A------ ------------------------- ----------- Cheers Ken Atkinson=0A------ ------------------------- ------------------------- ------------------------ G- CEKV=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Richard Iddon =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, 11 July 201 3, 22:06=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Whats happened to DOTH's=0A =0A Pleased to report that we enjoyed a very nice trip to, and a tasty bacon bu ttie at Swansea today. Despite the tower advising me that the cafe would no t be open when I phoned for PPR! Returned via Caernarfon for a brew. One mo re Europa turned up just as were lining up for departure at Swansea around 1:30. Apologies if you arrived for the DOTH and we missed you.=0A=0ARichard Iddon. =0A=0AG-RIXS=0A=0AOn 10 Jul 2013, at 00:45, Bill & Sue =0A> =0A> We flew in to Swansea today and it is very nice too- but no cafe. =0A> Sitting in the sunshine on the grass outside is fine but there appear to be no facilities (not so much as a chair!) when the cafe is shut. The firemen made us a very nice cuppa and told us the cafe is open Fiday, Saturday and other times at random. It woul d be worth checking that the with the tower when ringing for PPR that the c afe is open- apparently they tell by the smell of bacon cooking.=0A> We did warn them of a possible influx of Europas- so perhaps they will make an extra effort!=0A> =0A> Enjoy the outing.=0A> =0A> Bill & Sue=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Read this topic online here:=0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.com /viewtopic.php?p=404334#404334=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A =========================0A =================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:32 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Europa-List: UV primer(s) I've been using the Stits / Poly Fiber products for filling and priming, namely the SuperFil and the SmoothPrime "pinhole killer", and the EP-420 primer/sealer...have just missed making a serious mistake...and thought it was worth my time to share my experience. I've found all the products very easy to work with and satisfying to bring to the desired level of smoothness...particularly the hi-build SmoothPrime, using a 3 foot sanding board starting at 220 grit before going up to 320 paper. I've been particularly prideful for doing my entire airframe w/ only 2 gallons. And that hi-build SmoothPirme is REALLY heavy stuff...so w/ weight always a concern, i was pretty aggressive with the sanding as I strove to first, achieve as straight and true a (wing) surface as I could, and second, to make sure that as much as possible of the weight of all that SmoothPrime ended up in the canister of the shop vac. It certainly didn't bother me that my wing surfaces, as smooth and true as they may be, got pretty blotchy w/ ALL the SmoothPrime removed in some areas where great areas of blue SuperFil became visable. It didn't bother me because I knew I would be applying the white EP-420 epoxy primer on top...and all of this time, I believed that the EP-420 would provide the necessary UV protection. WRONG !! The EP-420, 2 part epoxy primer DOES NOT provide any UV protection...I had misread or misremembered...and only learned by chance during a conversation on a related matter w/ a Stits tech person. So with that Stits product line, it is the SmoothPrime which provides the UV protection...not the EP-420 primer/sealer! And I'll be working on a 3rd gallon...rolling on 3 coats...sanding it smooth down to 400 grit...but stopping while I still have a white airplane...before applying the EP-420 primer/sealer. Fred ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:53 PM PST US From: William McClellan Subject: Re: Europa-List: UV primer(s) Fred, a suggestion, if you can spray on the Smooth Prime, it will be a lot more consistent and as you know after rolling it on, there is lots more sanding after rolling than if you can spray it on. Also, John Lawton gave me a paint to use that is UV protective, albeit very expensive paint, $500 + a gallon and two qts hardener (and illegal in Calif). Bill McClellan -----Original Message----- >From: Fred Klein >Sent: Jul 12, 2013 5:35 PM >To: europa-list@matronics.com >Subject: Europa-List: UV primer(s) > > >I've been using the Stits / Poly Fiber products for filling and priming, namely the SuperFil and the SmoothPrime "pinhole killer", and the EP-420 primer/sealer...have just missed making a serious mistake...and thought it was worth my time to share my experience. > >I've found all the products very easy to work with and satisfying to bring to the desired level of smoothness...particularly the hi-build SmoothPrime, using a 3 foot sanding board starting at 220 grit before going up to 320 paper. I've been particularly prideful for doing my entire airframe w/ only 2 gallons. > >And that hi-build SmoothPirme is REALLY heavy stuff...so w/ weight always a concern, i was pretty aggressive with the sanding as I strove to first, achieve as straight and true a (wing) surface as I could, and second, to make sure that as much as possible of the weight of all that SmoothPrime ended up in the canister of the shop vac. It certainly didn't bother me that my wing surfaces, as smooth and true as they may be, got pretty blotchy w/ ALL the SmoothPrime removed in some areas where great areas of blue SuperFil became visable. It didn't bother me because I knew I would be applying the white EP-420 epoxy primer on top...and all of this time, I believed that the EP-420 would provide the necessary UV protection. WRONG !! > >The EP-420, 2 part epoxy primer DOES NOT provide any UV protection...I had misread or misremembered...and only learned by chance during a conversation on a related matter w/ a Stits tech person. > >So with that Stits product line, it is the SmoothPrime which provides the UV protection...not the EP-420 primer/sealer! And I'll be working on a 3rd gallon...rolling on 3 coats...sanding it smooth down to 400 grit...but stopping while I still have a white airplane...before applying the EP-420 primer/sealer. > >Fred > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:48 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: UV primer(s) On Jul 12, 2013, at 5:51 PM, William McClellan wrote: > uta suggestion, if you can spray on the Smooth Prime, it will be a lot more consistent and as you know after rolling it on, there is lots more sanding after rolling than if you can spray it on. Also, John Lawton gave me a paint to use that is UV protective, albeit very expensive paint, $500 + a gallon and two qts hardener (and illegal in Calif). Hey Bill...how'ya doin? Re: spraying SmoothPrime...for the life of me, I can't imagine the high viscosity SmoothPrime flowing thru a spray gun. I have VERY minimal experience spray painting, so my comfort level at trying to spray Smoothprime is very low. Have you thinned the stuff?...with what? I'm very comfortable rolling it but that's just playing to my fears. Up til now, I haven't minded the extra sanding since it cuts so nicely...of course, I am planning to spray the EP-420 sealer/primer. Fred ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:28 PM PST US From: Fred Klein Subject: Re: Europa-List: UV primer(s) On Jul 12, 2013, at 5:51 PM, William McClellan wrote: > John Lawton gave me a paint to use that is UV protective, albeit very expensive paint, $500 + a gallon and two qts hardener (and illegal in Calif). Bill...what would be the brand of that paint?...if you don't mind letting the NSA know as well... Is that a top coat? Will you / have you still use(d) a sealer for the SmoothPrime? 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