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1. 02:00 AM - Re: andair gascolator query (DAVID JOYCE)
2. 02:17 AM - Re: andair gascolator query (Michel)
3. 02:21 AM - Re: andair gascolator query (Michel)
4. 02:22 AM - Re: andair gascolator query (Michel)
5. 03:26 AM - Re: outrigger wheels (richard)
6. 03:51 AM - Re: andair gascolator query (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
7. 04:09 AM - Re: andair gascolator query (richard)
8. 04:31 AM - Re: andair gascolator query (Rowland Carson)
9. 08:17 AM - Re : andair gascolator query (John Wigney)
10. 10:04 AM - rear access platform/tray/trolley/creeper query (Rowland Carson)
11. 11:02 PM - Re: rear access platform/tray/trolley/creeper query (Patrick Tunney)
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| Subject: | Re: andair gascolator query |
Rowland=0A=0ASpeak to Graham Singleton he has a mod and plans for how to do
this, I am also in the process of doing with the addition of putting in al
uminium lines to the bulkhead .=0A=0Argds=0ADavid=0AThe other one=0A=0ASent
to you from David Joyce=0Awww.eastmidsspas.com=0A=0A =0A=0A_______________
_________________=0A From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>=0ATo: E
uropa e-mail list list <europa-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, 21 July
2013, 22:09=0ASubject: Europa-List: andair gascolator query=0A =0A=0A-->
Europa-List message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>=0A
=0AI've got an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit in the same co
mpartment as the electric fuel pump. Obviously it is desirable to have it m
ounted with the bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage so that the dra
in can be easily activated. However, it's necessary also to have room to re
move the bowl. That means cutting an access hole in the bottom skin. Has an
yone already got a LAA mod number that includes that sort of thing?=0A=0AI
suppose (plan B) it would also be possible to mount the gascolator sufficie
ntly high that the bowl could be removed from inside the aircraft, but that
would mean the drain would be a long way from the fuselage floor and so no
t easy to operate from outside. Maybe it could also be operated from inside
if the sample cup is small enough?=0A=0AAny thoughts?=0A=0Ain friendship
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| Subject: | Re: andair gascolator query |
On 22/07/2013 10:59, DAVID JOYCE wrote:
> Rowland
> Speak to Graham Singleton he has a mod and plans for how to do this, I
> am also in the process of doing with the addition of putting in
> aluminium lines to the bulkhead .
> rgds
> David
> The other one
> */Sent to you from David Joyce
> www.eastmidsspas.com
> /*
>
> *From:* Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
> *To:* Europa e-mail list list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013, 22:09
> *Subject:* Europa-List: andair gascolator query
>
> <rowlandcarson@gmail.com <mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com>>
>
> I've got an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit in the same
> compartment as the electric fuel pump. Obviously it is desirable to
> have it mounted with the bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage
> so that the drain can be easily activated. However, it's necessary
> also to have room to remove the bowl. That means cutting an access
> hole in the bottom skin. Has anyone already got a LAA mod number that
> includes that sort of thing?
>
> I suppose (plan B) it would also be possible to mount the gascolator
> sufficiently high that the bowl could be removed from inside the
> aircraft, but that would mean the drain would be a long way from the
> fuselage floor and so not easy to operate from outside. Maybe it could
> also be operated from inside if the sample cup is small enough?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
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Hi David I am interested to install aluminium fuel circuit in my monowheel.
Where do you buy components, tube and connectors ?
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| Subject: | Re: andair gascolator query |
On 22/07/2013 10:59, DAVID JOYCE wrote:
> Rowland
> Speak to Graham Singleton he has a mod and plans for how to do this, I
> am also in the process of doing with the addition of putting in
> aluminium lines to the bulkhead .
> rgds
> David
> The other one
> */Sent to you from David Joyce
> www.eastmidsspas.com
> /*
>
> *From:* Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
> *To:* Europa e-mail list list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013, 22:09
> *Subject:* Europa-List: andair gascolator query
>
> <rowlandcarson@gmail.com <mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com>>
>
> I've got an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit in the same
> compartment as the electric fuel pump. Obviously it is desirable to
> have it mounted with the bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage
> so that the drain can be easily activated. However, it's necessary
> also to have room to remove the bowl. That means cutting an access
> hole in the bottom skin. Has anyone already got a LAA mod number that
> includes that sort of thing?
>
> I suppose (plan B) it would also be possible to mount the gascolator
> sufficiently high that the bowl could be removed from inside the
> aircraft, but that would mean the drain would be a long way from the
> fuselage floor and so not easy to operate from outside. Maybe it could
> also be operated from inside if the sample cup is small enough?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
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> <http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson>
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Hi David my message is started too quick
For the aluminium tube it is necessary annealed aluminum tube. To fold
the tube easily.
Many Thanks
Michel AUVRAY
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| Subject: | Re: andair gascolator query |
On 22/07/2013 10:59, DAVID JOYCE wrote:
> Rowland
> Speak to Graham Singleton he has a mod and plans for how to do this, I
> am also in the process of doing with the addition of putting in
> aluminium lines to the bulkhead .
> rgds
> David
> The other one
> */Sent to you from David Joyce
> www.eastmidsspas.com
> /*
>
> *From:* Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
> *To:* Europa e-mail list list <europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013, 22:09
> *Subject:* Europa-List: andair gascolator query
>
> <rowlandcarson@gmail.com <mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com>>
>
> I've got an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit in the same
> compartment as the electric fuel pump. Obviously it is desirable to
> have it mounted with the bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage
> so that the drain can be easily activated. However, it's necessary
> also to have room to remove the bowl. That means cutting an access
> hole in the bottom skin. Has anyone already got a LAA mod number that
> includes that sort of thing?
>
> I suppose (plan B) it would also be possible to mount the gascolator
> sufficiently high that the bowl could be removed from inside the
> aircraft, but that would mean the drain would be a long way from the
> fuselage floor and so not easy to operate from outside. Maybe it could
> also be operated from inside if the sample cup is small enough?
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> in friendship
>
> Rowland
>
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> <http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson>
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Hi David, my message is started too quick!
For the tube it is necessary annealed aluminum tube. To fold the tube
easily.
Many Thanks
Michel AUVRAY
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| Subject: | Re: outrigger wheels |
Hi Roger
I have a pair of outrigger wheel along with a lot of other Mono parts not
used on my Tri-gear. The deal is half list price. Let me know if you would
like them
Regards Richard
Europa Tri-gear, 912ul Woodcomp prop
Aircraft flying well, Pilot getting better.
-----Original Message-----
From: trevannan
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 9:42 PM
Subject: Europa-List: outrigger wheels
Hi
I have an early classic Europa , the outrigger wheels have now given up the
ghost. I am sorry I know this has all been discussed before but can anybody
let me know where I can get some new ones?
Roger GBWIJ
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| Subject: | Re: andair gascolator query |
Rowland=0AYou could try Mod number 10823, issue 2, which is Colin Smallwood
's installation. (tri gear)=0AThere are a lot of Europas with similar mods
but none really identical, depends where you start from,=0Aideally with the
cockpit module on the bench.-=0AUse plan A, cut a D shaped biscuit from
the bottom, add a hinge and one of the clips used for the cowling access pa
nels. I cut the biscuits out with a Stanley knife or a hacksaw blade ground
thin.=0AThen flox in the edges.=0A=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A______________________
__________=0A From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>=0ATo: Europa e
-mail list list <europa-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, 21 July 2013,
22:09=0ASubject: Europa-List: andair gascolator query=0A =0A=0A--> Europa-L
ist message posted by: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>=0A=0AI've g
ot an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit in the same compartment
as the electric fuel pump. Obviously it is desirable to have it mounted wi
th the bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage so that the drain can be
easily activated. However, it's necessary also to have room to remove the
bowl. That means cutting an access hole in the bottom skin. Has anyone alre
ady got a LAA mod number that includes that sort of thing?=0A=0AI suppose (
plan B) it would also be possible to mount the gascolator sufficiently high
that the bowl could be removed from inside the aircraft, but that would me
an the drain would be a long way from the fuselage floor and so not easy to
operate from outside. Maybe it could also be operated from inside if the s
ample cup is small enough?=0A=0AAny thoughts?=0A=0Ain friendship=0A=0ARowla
nd=0A=0A| Rowland Carson- - - - - ... that's Rowland with a 'w' .
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| Subject: | Re: andair gascolator query |
Rowland
The mod I sent you incorporates a forward bulkhead and a removable panel
where the Mono wheel would normally be. I mounted the gascolator about 200mm
forward of the fuel selector on the inside of the now disused mono wheel bay
low down so the its drain could be accessed easily and assumed I would
remove the outer floor panel to service the gascolator. I mounted the
electric fuel pump on the forward bulk head and piped the output up and out
of the top of the centre section under the instrument module and across to
the far side of the starboard foot well top corner.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rowland Carson
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 10:09 PM
Subject: Europa-List: andair gascolator query
I've got an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit in the same
compartment as the electric fuel pump. Obviously it is desirable to have it
mounted with the bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage so that the
drain can be easily activated. However, it's necessary also to have room to
remove the bowl. That means cutting an access hole in the bottom skin. Has
anyone already got a LAA mod number that includes that sort of thing?
I suppose (plan B) it would also be possible to mount the gascolator
sufficiently high that the bowl could be removed from inside the aircraft,
but that would mean the drain would be a long way from the fuselage floor
and so not easy to operate from outside. Maybe it could also be operated
from inside if the sample cup is small enough?
Any thoughts?
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: andair gascolator query |
On 22 Jul 2013, at 12:09, richard wrote:
>
> Rowland
> The mod I sent you incorporates a forward bulkhead and a removable panel where
the Mono wheel would normally be
Richard - thanks, but the monowheel is occupying the space it normally occupies
in my machine! I think Graham Singleton's advice about cutting an access panel
is probably easiest to follow. It seems there is no technical issue with cutting
a hole in the bottom of the aeroplane .... but no doubt one will have to
get a "letter of no technical objection" from whoever is empowered to sign such
things now at Europa.
Thanks for all the suggestions.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re : andair gascolator query |
/ORIGINAL MESSAGE/
//
/From: Rowland Carson <rowlandcarson@gmail.com>
<mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com>/
//
/Subject: Europa-List: andair gascolator query/
//
/I've got an Andair GAS375-M gascolator that I plan to fit in the same
compartment as the electric fuel pump. Obviously it is desirable to have
it mounted with the bottom near the bottom skin of the fuselage so that
the drain can be easily activated. However, it's necessary also to have
room to remove the bowl. That means cutting an access hole in the bottom
skin. Has anyone already got a LAA mod number that includes that sort of
thing?/
//
/I suppose (plan B) it would also be possible to mount the gascolator
sufficiently high that the bowl could be removed from inside the
aircraft, but that would mean the drain would be a long way from the
fuselage floor and so not easy to operate from outside. Maybe it could
also be operated from inside if the sample cup is small enough?/
//
/Any thoughts? in friendship Rowland/
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Hi Rowland,
I suggest that you consider going with plan B. I installed an Andair
gascolator from day 1 (it has worked well) and it is located adjacent to
the fuel pump under the baggage shelf. I added a pipe fitting and
adapter to the gascolator bowl drain and this is run with rubber hose
and adapters to a CAV-110 drain valve on the fuselage belly behind the
flap. I placed the two tank drains at the same location. My valves
protrude from the surface and I understand that some builders go to the
trouble of recessing them so that they are flush . When I need to
inspect the gascolator bowl, there is enough flex in the hose to permit
this.
One problem I ran into is that, inevitably, a small amount of dirt
accumulates in the gascolator bowl. When the drain valve is operated to
check for water, this dirt also is drained out and some will get trapped
on the O ring seal of the drain valve. After some time, the O ring will
start to weep and you will get stains on the belly, particularly with
blue AVGAS. My fix for this problem was to install an additional small
glass filter in the gascolator bowl drain line (e.g. ACS #804 or the
original kit filter). I have never had to clean this secondary filter.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
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| Subject: | rear access platform/tray/trolley/creeper query |
I recall that a while back someone mentioned a device he had constructed to make
getting down the back of the fuselage a little easier or at least less uncomfortable.
It was essentially just a platform that straddled the pitch pushrod,
but there were some good features that seemed to me very clever. I thought I
had filed the details away for when I'd need them, but now I can find no trace
of the device nor can I remember who presented it. (I think it was even named
with a smart acronym.)
Any pointers welcomed, and apologies to the originator in advance for being so
careless as to lose his excellent piece of design.
in friendship
Rowland
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| Subject: | Re: rear access platform/tray/trolley/creeper query |
Rowland
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