---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/09/13: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:47 AM - Re: Re: Prop Tape. (Brian Davies) 2. 02:09 AM - Re: Re: Prop Tape. (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 3. 02:27 AM - Re: Prop Tape. (Alan Carter) 4. 02:41 AM - Re: Re: Prop Tape. (GRAHAM SINGLETON) 5. 06:26 AM - Re: Prop Tape. (Alan Carter) 6. 11:01 PM - Gusset plates (Tony Renshaw) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:26 AM PST US From: "Brian Davies" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Prop Tape. Alan, The Europa Club has a prop balancer. Contact Pete Jeffers. Regards Brian Davies -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Carter Sent: 09 August 2013 00:58 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Prop Tape. --> Hi All. I have the pro tape, maybe i will wait a while before doing anything. My prop i guess is already out of balance, People tell me the spinner is going up and down, but i really don,t notice anything in the cockpit. Its been like it for years as the previous owner never did anything to the aircraft and just clocked up 300 hours of cheap flying,Plus the 5 hours after i had paid for it. The prop is a Airplarse PV50, seems to have a groups of washers [5] in three places located around the hub, all you could do is file bits of the washers, see no other way,?? have no spares washers. How long would it take with a (prop balancer) to balance a prop.?? The nearest place to Headcorn that could do the job.? Regards. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406270#406270 ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:09:20 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Prop Tape. =0A=0AAlan=0AIs your plane a Classic? A wobbling spinner is not good, Class ic spinner backplates were not round=0Aunless you are lucky and have one of the dished carbon fibre ones.-=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________________________ ________=0A From: Alan Carter =0ATo: europa-list@ matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 0:57=0ASubject: Europa-List: lancarteresq@onetel.net>=0A=0AHi All.=0AI have the pro tape, maybe i will w ait a while before doing anything.=0AMy prop i guess is already out of bala nce, People tell me the spinner is going up and down, but i really don,t no tice anything in the cockpit.=0AIts been like it for years as the previous owner never did anything to the aircraft and just clocked up 300 hours of c heap flying,Plus the 5 hours after i had paid for it.=0AThe prop is a Airpl arse- PV50, seems to have a groups- of washers [5] in three places loca ted around the hub, all you could do is file bits of the washers, see no ot her way,?? have no spares washers.=0AHow long would it take with a (prop ba lancer) to balance a prop.??=0AThe nearest place to Headcorn that could do the job.?=0A=0ARegards.=0AAlan=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406270#406270=0A=0A=0A ================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:14 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Prop Tape. From: "Alan Carter" Hi Graham. My plane was a Classic but was converted to a Tri Gear by Europa Aircraft Company many years ago. I understand its XL forward of the Fire wall. The spinner is quite large and of a really nice shape, it seems to be made of what looks like thin Glass Fibre. Fixing seems to be screws in the back plate and screws forward of the blades, Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406288#406288 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:50 AM PST US From: GRAHAM SINGLETON Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Prop Tape. Classic spinner is 13" dia and even longer than that. Not well balanced and =0Athe back and front plates are very floppy and too close together.. =0AIf you have the CF ones they are both dished (for stiffness) and further apar t.=0ADon't think anyone is making them any more. Maybe someone has a 3D pri nter=0Athat can print Graphene? Boy, would that be a dream coem true!=0AGra ham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Alan Carter =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Friday, 9 August 2013, 10:26=0ASubject: Europa-List: Re: Prop Tape.=0A =0A=0A--> Euro pa-List message posted by: "Alan Carter" =0A=0AHi Graham.=0AMy plane was a Classic but was converted to a Tri Gear by Europa Aircraft Company many years ago. I understand its XL forward of the Fire w all.=0AThe spinner is quite large and of a really nice shape, it seems to b e made of what looks like thin Glass Fibre. Fixing seems to be screws in th e back plate and screws forward of the blades,=0A=0AAlan=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p =========================0A = ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:34 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Prop Tape. From: "Alan Carter" Have just had a look, 3 groups of washers with central allen bolt, the washers are in the groups are of different washer amounts, so this must be the way they balance the PV50 prop. Spinner is not alloy, looks like glass fibre, mounting seems quite ridged, Fixed to back plate, and there is another fixing plate forward of the blades . Back plate most probably not central.? Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406305#406305 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:01:18 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Gusset plates From: Tony Renshaw Gidday, I am having trouble with the gusset plates. I used the 12 ply supplied and shaped it accordingly, except I have about a 5 mm gap from ply to tie rod. The cloth will take up approx half of that. So, I bonded on the ply and then layed up the 4 plies of BID, which in essence thickens the ply by 8 plies. So, now that its all done I have a 2-3 mm gap +/- and the gusset plates do not sit parallel. For the other side I lightly clamped the plates together as the BID cured, in situ, and they were covered in Canauba Wax for a release agent. So, that side is OK, but the first side I have a problem I am hoping I can use Redux and Flox to pack out both the gap between rod and ply, and also to create a flat bed for the gusset plates. I am wondering this would be considered an acceptable way to fix things? I know Redux and Flox is a pretty tough mix and the loads in this region I do not consider will challenge what I am doing, as something would have already broken, like a wing! 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