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1. 12:28 AM - Re: Gusset plates (DAVID JOYCE)
2. 01:46 AM - Swiss rally (Richard Iddon)
3. 01:57 AM - Coms port settings (Peter Jeffers)
4. 02:15 AM - Classic Europa; 912S exhaust cracks? (jonathanmilbank)
5. 02:17 AM - Re: Last of the Summer Wine (richard)
6. 02:37 AM - Re: Last of the Summer Wine (David Joyce)
7. 02:43 AM - Re: Swiss rally (Bob Harrison)
8. 03:05 AM - Re: Swiss rally (Roland)
9. 03:09 AM - Re: Swiss rally (Richard Iddon)
10. 03:28 AM - Re: Coms port settings (Alan Burrill)
11. 04:15 AM - Re: Coms port settings (Peter Jeffers)
12. 05:08 AM - Re: Coms port settings (craig)
13. 05:23 AM - Re: Coms port settings (Peter Jeffers)
14. 05:35 AM - Re: Coms port settings (Rowland Carson)
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Subject: | Re: Gusset plates |
Yep same company, head office now in Tibshelf, although think name changed
and different owners etc etc.=0A=0AIn fact they made me a very nice exhaust
for my old race car ;-)=0A=0ADJ=0A=0ASent to you from David Joyce=0Awww.ea
stmidsspas.com=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: GRAHAM
SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>=0ATo: "europa-list@matronics.co
m" <europa-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 10:33=0ASub
ject: Re: Europa-List: Gusset plates=0A =0A=0A=0AThe company was in Somerc
otes, may have moved. Europa specified stainless but after a few cracked sy
stems, they changed to mild steel without telling Europa. Burnt through is
50 hours. Then they stopped altogether; probably their insurers had a fit.
=0AGraham=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: James Kelly
<europajimkelly@gmail.com>=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday
, 12 August 2013, 9:38=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Gusset plates=0A =0A=0A
=0AThanks Bud for the detailed explanation. -Also David.=0ARgds=0AJimmy
=0A=0A=0AOn Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 8:30 AM, DAVID JOYCE <stranfaer@btinternet
.com> wrote:=0A=0ABud=0A>-=0A>The replacement stainless exhausts-were c
loser to =A31200 don't know what they are now, original steel systems were
fabricated in Tibshelf Derbyshire I believe.=0A>- =0A>rgds=0A>DJ=0A>=0A>S
ent to you from David Joyce=0A>http://www.eastmidsspas.com/=0A>=0A>=0A> =0A
> From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>=0A>To: europa-list@matronics.com =0A>S
ent: Monday, 12 August 2013, 1:25=0A>=0A>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Gusset p
lates=0A> =0A>=0A>=0A>Jimmy, =0A>Some time ago, the factory went to-anot
her exhaust manufacturer CKT =0AAero engineering and they did a good job of
remanufacturing our exhaust with =0Athicker, better stainless steel, bette
r muffler supports-and less stress on =0Athe mandrel bends of the pipes.
- CKT also makes systems for most of the =0ARotax powered kits in Europe.
- Too bad we all had the older exhaust sold to =0Aus before which cracked
at the exhaust, pipes and everywhere for mostly harmonic =0Areasons .- T
he only problem with the CKT exhaust was the springs, which =0Awere standar
d motorcycle carbon steel type, now he makes a stainless steel =0Aspring to
try to get better longevity.- CKT stands behind their products =0Aand ha
s taken care of me. =0A>=0A>Note:- In certified aircraft we put RTV or hi
gh temp red silicone on =0Athe springs to reduce vibration harmonics.- I
run a piece of safety wire =0Athrough the spring and pull it up loosely.-
This keeps any fatigued springs =0Afrom becoming FOD. =0A>=0A>Some History
: =0A>The 912S harmonics cause the exhaust to move laterally a bit and that
will =0Afatigue crack in the bend of the exhaust of any system and if the
springs were =0Amade tighter, the muffler supports cracked.- We all know
how bad the =0Aaluminum heat shield was.- Also the 914 had some real prob
lems but over =0Atime, metal bends went to welded seams and we have been tr
ouble free.- The =0Aoriginal 912 exhaust was kept as light as possible, b
ut the vibration and =0Aharmonics caused fatigue cracks at very low time.
- My first experience was =0Awith Ira Rampil's exhaust which cracked in a
bout 4 places.- Chris at CKT =0Areplaced-the old-exhaust with his and
we went through some teething =0Apains with it but not too bad except for
spring failures on the right side of =0Athe engine.-Contact Europa for th
e new-exhaust system and clear up =0Ayour problems, but expect it to cost
about $1000 US or about -660 UK =0APounds.- =0A>=0A>Bud =0A>=0A>=0A>-
---- Original Message ----- =0A>>From: James Kelly =0A>>To: europa-list@m
atronics.com =0A>>Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 6:07 PM =0A>>Subject: R
e: Europa-List: Gusset plates =0A>>=0A>>Hi Bud, =0A>>- - - - -
- - -It appears that there's always problems with Europa exhaust pip
es cracking near the manifold, any ideas why this is so prevalent ? =0A>>
=0A>> =0A>>Jimmy=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Bud Yerly <
budyerly@msn.com> wrote:=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>>Tony, =0A>>>If you have a gap but
-the plate-is parallel or close to parallel to the tube you can put a
small joggle in the steel.- However then your bolt hole to edge distance
becomes critical on the wood glass gusset.- If there is still good edge
distance you'll be OK.- =0A>>>=0A>>>Another method is to put a filler s
trip to take up the gap of steel.- Just a short strip with a couple hole
s in it match drilled will do. =0A>>>It should only add a bit of time and
be more than secure. =0A>>>=0A>>>All one is looking for is to keep the tube
stable. =0A>>>=0A>>>Best Regards, =0A>>>Bud Yerly--- =0A>>>----- Ori
ginal Message ----- =0A>>>>From: Tony Renshaw =0A>>>>To: europa-list@matr
onics.com =0A>>>>Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 2:00 AM =0A>>>>Subject:
Europa-List: Gusset plates =0A>>>>=0A>>>>--> Europa-List message posted by
: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0A>>>>=0A>>>>Gidday,=0A>>>>I am
=0A having trouble with the gusset plates. I used the 12 ply supplied
and =0A shaped it accordingly, except I have about a 5 mm gap from ply
to tie rod. =0A The cloth will take up approx half of that. So, I bon
ded on the ply and =0A then layed up the 4 plies of BID, which in esse
nce thickens the ply by 8 =0A plies. So, now that its all done I have
a 2-3 mm gap +/- and the gusset =0A plates do not sit parallel. For th
e other side I lightly clamped the =0A plates together as the BID cure
d, in situ, and they were covered in =0A Canauba Wax for a release age
nt. So, that side is OK, but the first side I =0A have a problem I am
hoping I can use Redux and Flox to pack out both the =0A gap between r
od and ply, and also to create a flat bed for the gusset =0A plates. I
am wondering this would be considered an acceptable way to fix =0A th
ings? I know Redux and Flox is a pretty tough mix and the loads in this =0A
region I do not consider will challenge what I am doing, as something
=0A would have already broken, like a wing!=0A>>>>Regards=0A>>>>Tony
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Anyone going to the Swiss Rally next weekend? I am hoping to go but cannot find
any info about it in English.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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Subject: | Coms port settings |
Hi,
I wonder if anyone can help. I have an out of date (but still very good)
Lowrance 2000c GPS. The manufacturers have long since stopped supporting
this device so I can get no help from them. I am trying to link this unit
into a 'Navaid AP-1 autopilot. Does anyone know how to set up the output
port on my Lowrance GPS so that it will talk to the autopilot?
Pete
PS Simple question but is there a simple answer??
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Subject: | Classic Europa; 912S exhaust cracks? |
After 16 years with the 912UL engine in a Classic monowheel, I changed the undercarriage
to tricycle. But the rolling resistance is much greater, particularly
on grass, so I've bought a 912S to help me get into the air more easily.
My intention is to fit the replacement engine into the existing arrangements and
to use the same old-style stainless steel exhaust system, which dangles at an
angle rearwards beneath the engine.
This exhaust has served me well enough over 16 years, apart from a couple of fractures
of the flange bolted to the left rear cylinder. My question to anyone
with experience similar to mine, or anyone who's heard from others, is "Am I likely
to have a severe increase in exhaust cracking problems?"
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Last of the Summer Wine |
Hi David
If you still have room my wife and I would like to join your group I will
hope to meet you at the the rally, just getting our Europa through its
annual Permit.
Contact me on rcollings@talktalk.net or tel No 01327 260045
Richard & Jo Collings
Europa XS Tri-gear
912ul Woodcomp prop 55hrs
-----Original Message-----
From: David Joyce
Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:42 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine
The Europa Club 'Last of the Summer Wine'/ Tour de France
trip is due to happen 16-22 September. Five planes have
expressed an interest and I shall be contacting them
individually shortly,to plan where we collectively would
like to go, but if anyone else is interested it would be
good to hear from them soonest before I close the list.
Regards, David Joyce, G- XSDJ
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Subject: | Re: Last of the Summer Wine |
Richard, I am very sorry to say that we are oversubscribed
and I have had to close the list.(at 7 planes) The problem
is that the difficulty of finding hotels increases
significantly with numbers and we find ourselves more or
less confined to stopping only in major cities, which cuts
out some of the magic of French touring. If anyone should
drop out in the next few weeks I will come back to you, or
should others also materialise I will think about
organising a second tour, otherwise sorry to disappoint
you. Regards, David
On Mon, 12 Aug 2013 12:57:34 +0100
"richard" <rcollings@talktalk.net> wrote:
><rcollings@talktalk.net>
>
> Hi David
> If you still have room my wife and I would like to join
>your group I will hope to meet you at the the rally, just
>getting our Europa through its annual Permit.
> Contact me on rcollings@talktalk.net or tel No 01327
>260045
> Richard & Jo Collings
> Europa XS Tri-gear
> 912ul Woodcomp prop 55hrs
> -----Original Message----- From: David Joyce
> Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 9:42 PM
> To: europa list
> Subject: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine
>
><davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
>
> The Europa Club 'Last of the Summer Wine'/ Tour de
>France
> trip is due to happen 16-22 September. Five planes have
> expressed an interest and I shall be contacting them
> individually shortly,to plan where we collectively would
> like to go, but if anyone else is interested it would
>be
> good to hear from them soonest before I close the list.
> Regards, David Joyce, G- XSDJ
>
>
>
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>Un/Subscription,
>Forums!
>Admin.
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Hi! Richard,
I think you will reliably find that it is on 23rd August . at Grenchen.
.....It is the EAS 50th anniversary and Werner Maag their President checked
out with me recently. I have made a provisional booking at the Airport Hotel
although things with me a bit fluid just at present. I think Ivor is going
but he will be in his camper van for the Texel Event on 6th/7th September .
He also thought Alisdair was intending to go too. According to Ivor you
can down load a Customs and \Immigration form to make a declaration in
advance which is quite important. I'll message Werner Maag and get an
English Web Page link and revert soonest.
Regards
\Bob H G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon
Sent: 13 August 2013 09:46
Subject: Europa-List: Swiss rally
Anyone going to the Swiss Rally next weekend? I am hoping to go but cannot
find any info about it in English.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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Maybe this is an alternative for someone http://www.tannkosh.de/index.php?id=199 .
I'm planning to be there.
Roland
PH-ZTI
XS Trigear 914
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406593#406593
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Hi Bob.
After a bit more searching I found a web page for the rally.
http://www.experimental.ch/eas50/
Thinking of stopping over at Lille on Thursday and into Grenchen Friday.
Richard
On 13 Aug 2013, at 10:42, "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi! Richard,
> I think you will reliably find that it is on 23rd August . at Grenchen.
> .....It is the EAS 50th anniversary and Werner Maag their President checked
> out with me recently. I have made a provisional booking at the Airport Hotel
> although things with me a bit fluid just at present. I think Ivor is going
> but he will be in his camper van for the Texel Event on 6th/7th September .
> He also thought Alisdair was intending to go too. According to Ivor you
> can down load a Customs and \Immigration form to make a declaration in
> advance which is quite important. I'll message Werner Maag and get an
> English Web Page link and revert soonest.
> Regards
> \Bob H G-PTAG
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Iddon
> Sent: 13 August 2013 09:46
> To: Europa Forum
> Subject: Europa-List: Swiss rally
>
>
> Anyone going to the Swiss Rally next weekend? I am hoping to go but cannot
> find any info about it in English.
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
>
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Subject: | Re: Coms port settings |
Pete, have you tried a google search for the manual?
Just tried Lowrance GPS 2000c Manual and came back with a few promising lin
ks to PDf docents that might provide the answer.
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
On 13 Aug 2013, at 09:57, " Peter Jeffers" <pjeffers@talktalk.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> I wonder if anyone can help. I have an out of date (but still very good) L
owrance 2000c GPS. The manufacturers have long since stopped supporting this
device so I can get no help from them. I am trying to link this unit into a
=98Navaid AP-1 autopilot. Does anyone know how to set up the output
port on my Lowrance GPS so that it will talk to the autopilot?
> Pete
> PS Simple question but is there a simple answer??
>
>
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Subject: | Coms port settings |
Thanks Alan for that idea. Good idea but the manual refers you to Lowrance
support for setups for different devices. Unfortunately Lowrance are just
not interested and suggest you buy a Garmin??!! Such a shame because the
2000c is a great instrument. I guess they could not compete with the sheer
mass of the Garmin organisation for aviation products.
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Burrill
Sent: 13 August 2013 11:28
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Coms port settings
Pete, have you tried a google search for the manual?
Just tried Lowrance GPS 2000c Manual and came back with a few promising
links to PDf docents that might provide the answer.
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
On 13 Aug 2013, at 09:57, " Peter Jeffers" <pjeffers@talktalk.net> wrote:
Hi,
I wonder if anyone can help. I have an out of date (but still very good)
Lowrance 2000c GPS. The manufacturers have long since stopped supporting
this device so I can get no help from them. I am trying to link this unit
into a 'Navaid AP-1 autopilot. Does anyone know how to set up the output
port on my Lowrance GPS so that it will talk to the autopilot?
Pete
PS Simple question but is there a simple answer??
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Subject: | Coms port settings |
I have had some success getting workshop manuals etc for older stuff off
ebay, people running the manuals
Through a photo copier and outputting it to a PDF file then selling the
thing on CD for a few bucks
Worth a look, good luck
craig
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Subject: | Coms port settings |
Hi Craig,
Thanks for that. I have got the original manual but all it says about the
settings is that you need to set the send and receive ports according to
Lowrance support. Lowrance support does not support the 2000c any more and
have not do so for about three years hence they are useless as far as
assistance is concerned.
I guess I need help from someone who set their system up a few years back.
Pete
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig
Sent: 13 August 2013 13:08
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Coms port settings
I have had some success getting workshop manuals etc for older stuff off
ebay, people running the manuals
Through a photo copier and outputting it to a PDF file then selling the
thing on CD for a few bucks
Worth a look, good luck
craig
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Subject: | Re: Coms port settings |
On 13 Aug 2013, at 09:57, Peter Jeffers wrote:
> I wonder if anyone can help. I have an out of date (but still very good) Lowrance
2000c GPS. The manufacturers have long since stopped supporting this device
so I can get no help from them. I am trying to link this unit into a Navaid
AP-1 autopilot. Does anyone know how to set up the output port on my Lowrance
GPS so that it will talk to the autopilot?
Pete - you might try posting your query on the Matronics Avionics list. The traffic
is low (not many postings), but people there seem to display a wide range
of knowledge in response to the most obscure queries.
in friendship
Rowland
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