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1. 12:21 AM - Re: Re: Wing lift and drag pins (Pete Lawless)
2. 01:04 AM - Re: Re: Wing lift and drag pins (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
3. 02:17 AM - Re: Re: Wing lift and drag pins (Bob Harrison)
4. 04:37 AM - Re: Wing lift and drag pins (spcialeffects)
5. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Wing lift and drag pins (David Joyce)
6. 10:27 AM - Re: Classic Europa; 912S exhaust cracks? (rampil)
7. 12:41 PM - Re: Laddingford (Kelvin Cobb)
8. 01:01 PM - Torque Tube Clamp SM11906 (Patrick Tunney)
9. 01:40 PM - Re: Torque Tube Clamp SM11906 (Alan Carter)
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Subject: | Re: Wing lift and drag pins |
Just another memory from the very distant past - we also had to change the
front pin for a longer one. Be worth checking that the front pin you have
is the correct size. Can't find it in the mod list on the Europa site but I
think it was introduced 2000 ish.
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Sent: 18 August 2013 05:15
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing lift and drag pins
Thanks Nigel its that first page that I'm after. I couldn't remember who
sent me the wing layup papers (using the uni cloth) before (thanks again). I
am doing mod 74 but there is no way of incorporating this before having
skinned the foam so I have to cut a hole in the skin to fit the mod.
Fortunately it hasn't got any filler on it so this makes it a little easier.
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Subject: | Re: Wing lift and drag pins |
Actually earlier than than Pete, The long pin mod date was 14th Sept '95
and can be found as part of the Issue 10 Fuselage manual.
Nigel
On 18/08/2013 08:20, Pete Lawless wrote:
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> Just another memory from the very distant past - we also had to change the
> front pin for a longer one. Be worth checking that the front pin you have
> is the correct size. Can't find it in the mod list on the Europa site but I
> think it was introduced 2000 ish.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of spcialeffects
> Sent: 18 August 2013 05:15
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing lift and drag pins
>
>
> Thanks Nigel its that first page that I'm after. I couldn't remember who
> sent me the wing layup papers (using the uni cloth) before (thanks again). I
> am doing mod 74 but there is no way of incorporating this before having
> skinned the foam so I have to cut a hole in the skin to fit the mod.
> Fortunately it hasn't got any filler on it so this makes it a little easier.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406943#406943
>
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Subject: | Re: Wing lift and drag pins |
Hi! All ,
On subject of the lift pins and mods. I would like to offer another fact
that the front lift pins were also changed to upgrade the material they were
made from.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337 Classic /XS hybrid now with over 1000 hours on
the airframe.
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nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk
Sent: 18 August 2013 09:03
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Wing lift and drag pins
--> <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
Actually earlier than than Pete, The long pin mod date was 14th Sept '95 and
can be found as part of the Issue 10 Fuselage manual.
Nigel
On 18/08/2013 08:20, Pete Lawless wrote:
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> Just another memory from the very distant past - we also had to change
> the front pin for a longer one. Be worth checking that the front pin
> you have is the correct size. Can't find it in the mod list on the
> Europa site but I think it was introduced 2000 ish.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> spcialeffects
> Sent: 18 August 2013 05:15
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing lift and drag pins
>
> --> <spcialeffects@aol.com>
>
> Thanks Nigel its that first page that I'm after. I couldn't remember
> who sent me the wing layup papers (using the uni cloth) before (thanks
> again). I am doing mod 74 but there is no way of incorporating this
> before having skinned the foam so I have to cut a hole in the skin to fit
the mod.
> Fortunately it hasn't got any filler on it so this makes it a little
easier.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406943#406943
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Wing lift and drag pins |
One other question please. The instruction page above says to drill the flap pin
in the middle of the plates but the combined manual gives an off centre position.
Why is there a difference of position and which is best to use?
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Subject: | Re: Wing lift and drag pins |
Sorry, don't see to have a name for you! I would very
much advise putting the pin in the middle of the plates.
When William Mills plane broke up in. Mid air on a Max
weight VNe dive there were two things that failed and it
was never decided which was the primary factor, (although
I prefer the notion of the tail plane fixation having
failed). However one was that a front lift pin had been
drilled into the front edges of the 3 plates in the wing
root, reaching the edge of one and overlapping another,
which meant that it was taking considerable strains on a
metal to fibreglass joint which is not in the owner's long
term interests! That is not exactly a reason for being
central but a very good reason for not being anywhere near
the edge as I dare say that you cannot know precisely
where the deeper plates are situated.
Regards, David Joyce, G- XSDJ
On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:36:20 -0700
"spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote:
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> One other question please. The instruction page above
>says to drill the flap pin in the middle of the plates
>but the combined manual gives an off centre position. Why
>is there a difference of position and which is best to
>use?
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406953#406953
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Subject: | Re: Classic Europa; 912S exhaust cracks? |
I would think that existing cracks in the exhaust are an immediate
airworthiness issue. If the geometry is the same, then the rate of cracking should
be the same. The key is to try to ensure that the exhaust is well
fixed in position and not walking around with vibration
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Ira N224XS
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Hello David, it was good to meet you at last and l'd like to say a big thanks to
all involved with today's fly-in at Laddingford, it was a great event and really
well supported - I've never seen so many Europas in one place!
I must admit that having chatted to David Joyce today, I'm keen to source an actuator
to complete my wing levelling auto-pilot!
Best regards & very happy following my 1st Europa fly-in :-)
Kelvin
Sent from my iPad
On 18 Aug 2013, at 07:52, David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
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> Just in case anyone going to Laddingford today has scrimped on checking Notams,
can I highlight the Red Arrows who are departing Mansfield at 1330 Zulu and
going around SE England including Eastbourne & Tunbridge Wells, passing v close
to Laddingford!!! Regards, David Joyce, G- XSDJ
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Subject: | Torque Tube Clamp SM11906 |
I have a couple of pairs of clamps left for any builder or flying aircraft owner
who wants to implement SM11906.
The image shows what you get on a new install.
If you have torque tube with wear in the clevis pins i can also re-machine the
holes and supply oversize pins to remove any wear / slop in the assembled set
up.
The clamps supplied will be the Version 2 type clamps as detailed in the LAA SM11906
modification.
Please contact me if you are interested and need to discuss further.
Thanks for your interest.
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Subject: | Re: Torque Tube Clamp SM11906 |
Hi Pat.
My clamps are working well and removed all play in the tube, absolute no movement.
I am pleased with them, many thanks.
Alan
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