Europa-List Digest Archive

Sun 08/18/13


Total Messages Posted: 9



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:21 AM - Re: Re: Wing lift and drag pins (Pete Lawless)
     2. 01:04 AM - Re: Re: Wing lift and drag pins (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
     3. 02:17 AM - Re: Re: Wing lift and drag pins (Bob Harrison)
     4. 04:37 AM - Re: Wing lift and drag pins (spcialeffects)
     5. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Wing lift and drag pins (David Joyce)
     6. 10:27 AM - Re: Classic Europa; 912S exhaust cracks? (rampil)
     7. 12:41 PM - Re: Laddingford (Kelvin Cobb)
     8. 01:01 PM - Torque Tube Clamp SM11906 (Patrick Tunney)
     9. 01:40 PM - Re: Torque Tube Clamp SM11906 (Alan Carter)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:21:06 AM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: Re: Wing lift and drag pins
    Just another memory from the very distant past - we also had to change the front pin for a longer one. Be worth checking that the front pin you have is the correct size. Can't find it in the mod list on the Europa site but I think it was introduced 2000 ish. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of spcialeffects Sent: 18 August 2013 05:15 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing lift and drag pins Thanks Nigel its that first page that I'm after. I couldn't remember who sent me the wing layup papers (using the uni cloth) before (thanks again). I am doing mod 74 but there is no way of incorporating this before having skinned the foam so I have to cut a hole in the skin to fit the mod. Fortunately it hasn't got any filler on it so this makes it a little easier. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406943#406943 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 01:04:06 AM PST US
    From: "nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk" <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Wing lift and drag pins
    Actually earlier than than Pete, The long pin mod date was 14th Sept '95 and can be found as part of the Issue 10 Fuselage manual. Nigel On 18/08/2013 08:20, Pete Lawless wrote: > > Just another memory from the very distant past - we also had to change the > front pin for a longer one. Be worth checking that the front pin you have > is the correct size. Can't find it in the mod list on the Europa site but I > think it was introduced 2000 ish. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of spcialeffects > Sent: 18 August 2013 05:15 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing lift and drag pins > > > Thanks Nigel its that first page that I'm after. I couldn't remember who > sent me the wing layup papers (using the uni cloth) before (thanks again). I > am doing mod 74 but there is no way of incorporating this before having > skinned the foam so I have to cut a hole in the skin to fit the mod. > Fortunately it hasn't got any filler on it so this makes it a little easier. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406943#406943 > >


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    Time: 02:17:43 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Wing lift and drag pins
    Hi! All , On subject of the lift pins and mods. I would like to offer another fact that the front lift pins were also changed to upgrade the material they were made from. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337 Classic /XS hybrid now with over 1000 hours on the airframe. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk Sent: 18 August 2013 09:03 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Wing lift and drag pins --> <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk> Actually earlier than than Pete, The long pin mod date was 14th Sept '95 and can be found as part of the Issue 10 Fuselage manual. Nigel On 18/08/2013 08:20, Pete Lawless wrote: > > Just another memory from the very distant past - we also had to change > the front pin for a longer one. Be worth checking that the front pin > you have is the correct size. Can't find it in the mod list on the > Europa site but I think it was introduced 2000 ish. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > spcialeffects > Sent: 18 August 2013 05:15 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Wing lift and drag pins > > --> <spcialeffects@aol.com> > > Thanks Nigel its that first page that I'm after. I couldn't remember > who sent me the wing layup papers (using the uni cloth) before (thanks > again). I am doing mod 74 but there is no way of incorporating this > before having skinned the foam so I have to cut a hole in the skin to fit the mod. > Fortunately it hasn't got any filler on it so this makes it a little easier. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406943#406943 > >


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    Time: 04:37:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing lift and drag pins
    From: "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com>
    One other question please. The instruction page above says to drill the flap pin in the middle of the plates but the combined manual gives an off centre position. Why is there a difference of position and which is best to use? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406953#406953


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    Time: 10:23:52 AM PST US
    From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
    Subject: Re: Wing lift and drag pins
    Sorry, don't see to have a name for you! I would very much advise putting the pin in the middle of the plates. When William Mills plane broke up in. Mid air on a Max weight VNe dive there were two things that failed and it was never decided which was the primary factor, (although I prefer the notion of the tail plane fixation having failed). However one was that a front lift pin had been drilled into the front edges of the 3 plates in the wing root, reaching the edge of one and overlapping another, which meant that it was taking considerable strains on a metal to fibreglass joint which is not in the owner's long term interests! That is not exactly a reason for being central but a very good reason for not being anywhere near the edge as I dare say that you cannot know precisely where the deeper plates are situated. Regards, David Joyce, G- XSDJ On Sun, 18 Aug 2013 04:36:20 -0700 "spcialeffects" <spcialeffects@aol.com> wrote: ><spcialeffects@aol.com> > > One other question please. The instruction page above >says to drill the flap pin in the middle of the plates >but the combined manual gives an off centre position. Why >is there a difference of position and which is best to >use? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406953#406953 > > > > > > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > >


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    Time: 10:27:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Classic Europa; 912S exhaust cracks?
    From: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>
    I would think that existing cracks in the exhaust are an immediate airworthiness issue. If the geometry is the same, then the rate of cracking should be the same. The key is to try to ensure that the exhaust is well fixed in position and not walking around with vibration -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406974#406974


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    Time: 12:41:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Laddingford
    From: Kelvin Cobb <kelvin.cobb@icloud.com>
    Hello David, it was good to meet you at last and l'd like to say a big thanks to all involved with today's fly-in at Laddingford, it was a great event and really well supported - I've never seen so many Europas in one place! I must admit that having chatted to David Joyce today, I'm keen to source an actuator to complete my wing levelling auto-pilot! Best regards & very happy following my 1st Europa fly-in :-) Kelvin Sent from my iPad On 18 Aug 2013, at 07:52, David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote: > > > Just in case anyone going to Laddingford today has scrimped on checking Notams, can I highlight the Red Arrows who are departing Mansfield at 1330 Zulu and going around SE England including Eastbourne & Tunbridge Wells, passing v close to Laddingford!!! Regards, David Joyce, G- XSDJ > > > >


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    Time: 01:01:01 PM PST US
    Subject: Torque Tube Clamp SM11906
    From: "Patrick Tunney" <ptunney@intergen.com>
    I have a couple of pairs of clamps left for any builder or flying aircraft owner who wants to implement SM11906. The image shows what you get on a new install. If you have torque tube with wear in the clevis pins i can also re-machine the holes and supply oversize pins to remove any wear / slop in the assembled set up. The clamps supplied will be the Version 2 type clamps as detailed in the LAA SM11906 modification. Please contact me if you are interested and need to discuss further. Thanks for your interest. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406985#406985 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0270_990.jpg


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    Time: 01:40:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Torque Tube Clamp SM11906
    From: "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
    Hi Pat. My clamps are working well and removed all play in the tube, absolute no movement. I am pleased with them, many thanks. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=406987#406987




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