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1. 12:43 AM - Re: Re: Panel Paint (danny shepherd)
2. 12:49 AM - Re: Panel Paint (gtagr)
3. 01:15 AM - Re: Re: Panel Paint (peter.rees01@tiscali.co.uk)
4. 01:32 AM - Re: Re: Panel Paint (David Joyce)
5. 02:19 AM - Re: Re: Panel Paint (Bob Fairall)
6. 02:32 AM - Re: Re: Panel Paint (David Joyce)
7. 02:54 AM - Re: Re: Panel Paint (Paul Mansfield)
8. 04:43 AM - Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality (Philip Levi)
9. 05:13 AM - Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality (zwakie)
10. 05:34 AM - Re: Which Fuel Flow Meter for Europa (Alan Carter)
11. 05:36 AM - Re: Which Fuel Flow Meter for Europa (zwakie)
12. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: Which Fuel Flow Meter for Europa (Raimo Toivio)
13. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality (Fred Klein)
14. 08:34 AM - Re: Navaid Servo (Kelvin Cobb)
15. 08:49 AM - Re: Navaid Servo (David Joyce)
16. 09:07 AM - Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality (Alan Carter)
17. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality (David Joyce)
18. 10:05 AM - Re: Navaid Servo (Kelvin Cobb)
19. 10:50 AM - Re: Navaid Servo (spcialeffects)
20. 11:25 AM - Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality (Alan Carter)
21. 12:10 PM - Re: Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality (Philip Levi)
22. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality (danny shepherd)
23. 01:10 PM - Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality (Alan Carter)
24. 01:25 PM - Re: Which Fuel Flow Meter for Europa (Alan Carter)
25. 02:08 PM - tailwheel arm fitting (Rowland Carson)
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On 22/08/2013 22:24, Bob Fairall wrote:
>
> I'm intrigued ...... I contacted Goldburn about a month ago and they told me
they could not supply Nextel for me to use, but would paint the panel in Nextel
for 380 + VAT .....!!!
>
> I would far prefer to buy the items listed by Paul below to use myself rather
than pay nearly 500 for them to do it .....!!!
>
> Anyone got a strategy .......... or a few cans of Nextel, thinners, etc. please?
>
> Bob XS 494 G-CBXW
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Europaul383
> Sent: 22 August 2013 16:44
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Panel Paint
>
> --> <europaul383@hotmail.com>
>
> Thanks to all for the useful input. Nextel is emerging as a clear favourite.
>
> I have, however, heard it can attract greasy fingermarks - can anybody who has
been flying behind it for any length of time (Bob H?) confirm or deny? Or any
general reports on serviceability? Apologies to those who have applied Nextel
and not yet flown...!
>
> The bad news is it is 47.81 for 1 litre (covers 5 sqm), plus primer at 21.87 and thinner at 9.45 for 1 litre, plus 30 carriage (all + VAT!) Anybody fancy going halves on all of the above in Nextel's light grey? http://www.goldburnfinishers.co.uk/nextel_chart.php
>
> Or, better yet, anybody got 1/2 a litre of light grey (or near offer) plus primer
& thinners for sale to a good home?
>
> Best,
>
> Paul M
> 383
> XS Mono 912S
>
> [Trans: favourite = favorite; litre = liter]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407215#407215
>
>
> Bob, contact Matthew Russell. I can't remember the exact price I paid, but it
was not anything like 300. mind you it was 2007 when I had the panel spayed.
:-)
Danny G-c.e.r.i
>
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Hey Paul,
I seem to have posted a reply in the wrong place - see earlier gtagr posts Re:
paint etc
I have about 0.5l of the grey and more importantly a qty of liquid hardener and
some thinners - see pic. I've also listed the supplier in Leicester in case
you want new/different colour.
The tricky bit is how to get it to you as being solvent based paint the RM are
cagey about posting it.
Any good to you?
Clive Sutton
G-TAGR kit 341
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Matthew Russell sprayed our instrument pod in Nextel when HI was built
- still looks great.
When I rebuilt the instrument panel, I wanted it to match in colour
and texture.
I sprayed severl coats of Rover Tempest Grey (courtesy of Mr Halfords)
- almost perfect match to the Nextel light grey. To get the texture, I
sprayed the final coat by creating a fine mist by 'burst spraying'
while the previous coat was still tacky. Did this about 5 years ago and
still looks very good.
Peter
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Bob, I missed the earlier part oft his thread, so forgive
me if I am repeating things. Nextel has worked beautifully
for me, but when I was contemplating spraying it myself I
was told that it is pretty toxic and has to be applied
with fresh air breathing mask system - which led me to get
a professional to do it. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:42:42 +0100
danny shepherd <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk> wrote:
><danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
>
> On 22/08/2013 22:24, Bob Fairall wrote:
>><Bob.Fairall@fairalls.co.uk>
>>
>> I'm intrigued ...... I contacted Goldburn about a month
>>ago and they told me they could not supply Nextel for me
>>to use, but would paint the panel in Nextel for 380 +
>>VAT .....!!!
>>
>> I would far prefer to buy the items listed by Paul below
>>to use myself rather than pay nearly 500 for them to do
>>it .....!!!
>>
>> Anyone got a strategy .......... or a few cans of
>>Nextel, thinners, etc. please?
>>
>> Bob XS 494 G-CBXW
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
>>Of Europaul383
>> Sent: 22 August 2013 16:44
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Panel Paint
>>
>> --> <europaul383@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Thanks to all for the useful input. Nextel is emerging
>>as a clear favourite.
>>
>> I have, however, heard it can attract greasy fingermarks
>>- can anybody who has been flying behind it for any
>>length of time (Bob H?) confirm or deny? Or any general
>>reports on serviceability? Apologies to those who have
>>applied Nextel and not yet flown...!
>>
>> The bad news is it is 47.81 for 1 litre (covers 5
>>sqm), plus primer at 21.87 and thinner at 9.45 for 1
>>litre, plus 30 carriage (all + VAT!) Anybody fancy
>>going halves on all of the above in Nextel's light grey?
>>http://www.goldburnfinishers.co.uk/nextel_chart.php
>>
>> Or, better yet, anybody got 1/2 a litre of light grey
>>(or near offer) plus primer & thinners for sale to a good
>>home?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Paul M
>> 383
>> XS Mono 912S
>>
>> [Trans: favourite = favorite; litre = liter]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407215#407215
>>
>>
>> Bob, contact Matthew Russell. I can't remember the exact
>>price I paid, but it was not anything like 300. mind you
>>it was 2007 when I had the panel spayed. :-)
> Danny G-c.e.r.i
>
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Thanks David. In fact this is on my second Europa, my first having had the panel
sprayed in Nextel by Matthew Russell and still in excellent condition after
15 years.
However I've occasionally had difficulties in getting hold of Matthew and, my being
in the south east of England, it's probably a "post it" to him job for the
instrument panel moulding. I'm reluctant to do that if I can avoid it - "Sod's
Law" and all that kind of thing!
I do have a fresh air mask hence, with all the above in mind, purchasing the Nextel
and spraying it myself is currently my preferred option. I've just spoken
to MANKIEWICZ UK based in Leicester, UK (telephone number is 011 62 84 77 80)
and awaiting their price / pro forma invoice which I imagine will be the same
as Paul M notes below.
Whilst expensive, compared to a quoted figure of 456 by Goldburn for them to paint
the panel moulding and mounting plates, I reckon buying wet and applying myself
needs serious consideration. Furthermore if I have a whoopsy at any time
in the future, I guess it's a simple job of rubbing down and doing again.
Another Europa builder who uses his aircraft a great deal mentioned to me he also
used Nextel for the inside finishing of the doors. Considering the usage, his
doors are still in outstanding condition so I will probably do the same, thereby
making buying the paint wet more worthwhile.
Bob Fairall - Kit 71 - G-BXLK & Kit 494 - G-CBXW
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Sent: 23 August 2013 09:31
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Panel Paint
--> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Bob, I missed the earlier part oft his thread, so forgive me if I am repeating
things. Nextel has worked beautifully for me, but when I was contemplating spraying
it myself I was told that it is pretty toxic and has to be applied with
fresh air breathing mask system - which led me to get a professional to do it.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:42:42 +0100
danny shepherd <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk> wrote:
><danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
>
> On 22/08/2013 22:24, Bob Fairall wrote:
>><Bob.Fairall@fairalls.co.uk>
>>
>> I'm intrigued ...... I contacted Goldburn about a month ago and they
>>told me they could not supply Nextel for me to use, but would paint
>>the panel in Nextel for 380 + VAT .....!!!
>>
>> I would far prefer to buy the items listed by Paul below to use
>>myself rather than pay nearly 500 for them to do it .....!!!
>>
>> Anyone got a strategy .......... or a few cans of Nextel, thinners,
>>etc. please?
>>
>> Bob XS 494 G-CBXW
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
>>Europaul383
>> Sent: 22 August 2013 16:44
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Panel Paint
>>
>> --> <europaul383@hotmail.com>
>>
>> Thanks to all for the useful input. Nextel is emerging as a clear
>>favourite.
>>
>> I have, however, heard it can attract greasy fingermarks
>>- can anybody who has been flying behind it for any length of time
>>(Bob H?) confirm or deny? Or any general reports on serviceability?
>>Apologies to those who have applied Nextel and not yet flown...!
>>
>> The bad news is it is 47.81 for 1 litre (covers 5 sqm), plus primer
>>at 21.87 and thinner at 9.45 for 1 litre, plus 30 carriage (all
>>+ VAT!) Anybody fancy going halves on all of the above in Nextel's
>>light grey?
>>http://www.goldburnfinishers.co.uk/nextel_chart.php
>>
>> Or, better yet, anybody got 1/2 a litre of light grey (or near offer)
>>plus primer & thinners for sale to a good home?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Paul M
>> 383
>> XS Mono 912S
>>
>> [Trans: favourite = favorite; litre = liter]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407215#407215
>>
>>
>> Bob, contact Matthew Russell. I can't remember the exact price I
>>paid, but it was not anything like 300. mind you it was 2007 when I
>>had the panel spayed. :-)
> Danny G-c.e.r.i
>
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Bob, Makes excellent sense. I did my doors and luggage
compartment also and have been pleased with its
durability. Regards, David
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 10:18:52 +0100
Bob Fairall <Bob.Fairall@fairalls.co.uk> wrote:
><Bob.Fairall@fairalls.co.uk>
>
> Thanks David. In fact this is on my second Europa, my
>first having had the panel sprayed in Nextel by Matthew
>Russell and still in excellent condition after 15 years.
>
> However I've occasionally had difficulties in getting
>hold of Matthew and, my being in the south east of
>England, it's probably a "post it" to him job for the
>instrument panel moulding. I'm reluctant to do that if I
>can avoid it - "Sod's Law" and all that kind of thing!
>
> I do have a fresh air mask hence, with all the above in
>mind, purchasing the Nextel and spraying it myself is
>currently my preferred option. I've just spoken to
>MANKIEWICZ UK based in Leicester, UK (telephone number is
>011 62 84 77 80) and awaiting their price / pro forma
>invoice which I imagine will be the same as Paul M notes
>below.
>
> Whilst expensive, compared to a quoted figure of 456 by
>Goldburn for them to paint the panel moulding and
>mounting plates, I reckon buying wet and applying myself
>needs serious consideration. Furthermore if I have a
>whoopsy at any time in the future, I guess it's a simple
>job of rubbing down and doing again.
>
> Another Europa builder who uses his aircraft a great
>deal mentioned to me he also used Nextel for the inside
>finishing of the doors. Considering the usage, his doors
>are still in outstanding condition so I will probably do
>the same, thereby making buying the paint wet more
>worthwhile.
>
> Bob Fairall - Kit 71 - G-BXLK & Kit 494 - G-CBXW
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
>Of David Joyce
> Sent: 23 August 2013 09:31
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Panel Paint
>
> --> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
>
> Bob, I missed the earlier part oft his thread, so
>forgive me if I am repeating things. Nextel has worked
>beautifully for me, but when I was contemplating spraying
>it myself I was told that it is pretty toxic and has to
>be applied with fresh air breathing mask system - which
>led me to get a professional to do it. Regards, David
>Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
> On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 08:42:42 +0100
> danny shepherd <danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk> wrote:
>><danny@mcwalterscafe.co.uk>
>>
>> On 22/08/2013 22:24, Bob Fairall wrote:
>>><Bob.Fairall@fairalls.co.uk>
>>>
>>> I'm intrigued ...... I contacted Goldburn about a month
>>>ago and they
>>>told me they could not supply Nextel for me to use, but
>>>would paint
>>>the panel in Nextel for 380 + VAT .....!!!
>>>
>>> I would far prefer to buy the items listed by Paul below
>>>to use
>>>myself rather than pay nearly 500 for them to do it
>>>.....!!!
>>>
>>> Anyone got a strategy .......... or a few cans of
>>>Nextel, thinners,
>>>etc. please?
>>>
>>> Bob XS 494 G-CBXW
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>>>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
>>>Of
>>>Europaul383
>>> Sent: 22 August 2013 16:44
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Panel Paint
>>>
>>> --> <europaul383@hotmail.com>
>>>
>>> Thanks to all for the useful input. Nextel is emerging
>>>as a clear
>>>favourite.
>>>
>>> I have, however, heard it can attract greasy fingermarks
>>>- can anybody who has been flying behind it for any
>>>length of time
>>>(Bob H?) confirm or deny? Or any general reports on
>>>serviceability?
>>>Apologies to those who have applied Nextel and not yet
>>>flown...!
>>>
>>> The bad news is it is 47.81 for 1 litre (covers 5
>>>sqm), plus primer
>>>at 21.87 and thinner at 9.45 for 1 litre, plus 30
>>>carriage (all
>>>+ VAT!) Anybody fancy going halves on all of the above in
>>>Nextel's
>>>light grey?
>>>http://www.goldburnfinishers.co.uk/nextel_chart.php
>>>
>>> Or, better yet, anybody got 1/2 a litre of light grey
>>>(or near offer)
>>>plus primer & thinners for sale to a good home?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Paul M
>>> 383
>>> XS Mono 912S
>>>
>>> [Trans: favourite = favorite; litre = liter]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407215#407215
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob, contact Matthew Russell. I can't remember the exact
>>>price I
>>>paid, but it was not anything like 300. mind you it was
>>>2007 when I
>>>had the panel spayed. :-)
>> Danny G-c.e.r.i
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Sorry for the confusion, I put Goldburn's website address just for the
colour chart - they do not supply.
The prices for buying the stuff (and 30 delivery!) came from Mankiewicz UK
in Leicester, they are still at the same Leicester address that Clive
posted.
Paul M 383 G-PLPM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Fairall
Sent: 22 August 2013 22:25
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Panel Paint
--> <Bob.Fairall@fairalls.co.uk>
I'm intrigued ...... I contacted Goldburn about a month ago and they told me
they could not supply Nextel for me to use, but would paint the panel in
Nextel for 380 + VAT .....!!!
I would far prefer to buy the items listed by Paul below to use myself
rather than pay nearly 500 for them to do it .....!!!
Anyone got a strategy .......... or a few cans of Nextel, thinners, etc.
please?
Bob XS 494 G-CBXW
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Europaul383
Sent: 22 August 2013 16:44
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Panel Paint
--> <europaul383@hotmail.com>
Thanks to all for the useful input. Nextel is emerging as a clear favourite.
I have, however, heard it can attract greasy fingermarks - can anybody who
has been flying behind it for any length of time (Bob H?) confirm or deny?
Or any general reports on serviceability? Apologies to those who have
applied Nextel and not yet flown...!
The bad news is it is 47.81 for 1 litre (covers 5 sqm), plus primer at
21.87 and thinner at 9.45 for 1 litre, plus 30 carriage (all + VAT!)
Anybody fancy going halves on all of the above in Nextel's light grey?
http://www.goldburnfinishers.co.uk/nextel_chart.php
Or, better yet, anybody got 1/2 a litre of light grey (or near offer) plus
primer & thinners for sale to a good home?
Best,
Paul M
383
XS Mono 912S
[Trans: favourite = favorite; litre = liter]
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| Subject: | Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality |
Sadly I see the Daily Mail are reporting a double fatality accident and the
picture clearly shows a Europa badge on the tail.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2400698/Father-daughter-killed-light-aircraft-crashes-field.html?ito=email-homenewsletter-20130823
*Philip*
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Philip Levi
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G-BWWB Monowheel Classic at Old Warden.
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| Subject: | Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality |
Sad, very sad. May father and daughter rest in piece, and family and friends have
the strength to cope with their tragic loss.
http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2013-08-22/two-dead-in-leicestershire-plane-crash-full-report/
--------
Marcel Zwakenberg
(Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW)
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| Subject: | Re: Which Fuel Flow Meter for Europa |
Hi Raimo.
Many thanks, looks like a nice gauge, I have been looking at the link you sent,
it gives pictures of the information as on the lcd screen.
Nice clear single displays, by press button.
I was hoping I would get a few more member chipping I on this, as its handy to
have a few more thoughts on the matter.
Such as LAA approved senders ete, or problems that you encounter in fitting.
Regards.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Which Fuel Flow Meter for Europa |
I am extremely happy with my FC-10 ( http://www.fdatasystems.com/Products/FC-10/FC-10.html ).
As Raimo, I would be uncomfortable without a FF now I got used to having one.
For all FF's a calibration needs to be performed, which basically means flying
of fuel and recording times and Gallons/Liters, then doing the math. Not a big
deal. As a bit of additional safeguard, I put the actual fuel tank content minus
6 liters in as the maximum for the "virtual tank", and set warning about 3
liters 'above' the real point where main tank runs empty and switching to reserve
is required to keep the engine running.
After putting in the K-factor that came with the sender, I burnt about 75 liters
of fuel, then I calculated that I had to make a small adjustment. This adjustment
gave me an accuracy of about 3% over the next 250 liters burnt (or should
I say inaccuracy [Wink]). I then stopped recording all of the time because there
was hardly any variance in the numbers. Now I check accuracy every once in
a while, usually once a year over the course of a couple of flights.
--------
Marcel Zwakenberg
(Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW)
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| Subject: | Re: Which Fuel Flow Meter for Europa |
Marcel,
great.
I check accuracy regularly: just refueling from
the pump and watching the numbers. If FF says
there will be in the tank still left say 23,4
liters I typically fill 42-43 liters (my tank is
68,1 liters) so it has a positive purpose made
error about 5% by K-factor.
Raimo
OH-XRT kit # 417, completed 2007
-----Alkuperinen viesti-----
From: zwakie
Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 3:35 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which Fuel Flow Meter
for Europa
<mz@cariama.nl>
I am extremely happy with my FC-10 (
http://www.fdatasystems.com/Products/FC-10/FC-10.html
).
As Raimo, I would be uncomfortable without a FF
now I got used to having one.
For all FF's a calibration needs to be performed,
which basically means flying of fuel and recording
times and Gallons/Liters, then doing the math. Not
a big deal. As a bit of additional safeguard, I
put the actual fuel tank content minus 6 liters in
as the maximum for the "virtual tank", and set
warning about 3 liters 'above' the real point
where main tank runs empty and switching to
reserve is required to keep the engine running.
After putting in the K-factor that came with the
sender, I burnt about 75 liters of fuel, then I
calculated that I had to make a small adjustment.
This adjustment gave me an accuracy of about 3%
over the next 250 liters burnt (or should I say
inaccuracy [Wink]). I then stopped recording all
of the time because there was hardly any variance
in the numbers. Now I check accuracy every once in
a while, usually once a year over the course of a
couple of flights.
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(Europa Classic Tri-Gear PH-MZW)
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| Subject: | Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality |
...I see the tail "number" is "G-GBXS"...
On Aug 23, 2013, at 5:12 AM, zwakie wrote:
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> Sad, very sad. May father and daughter rest in piece, and family and friends
have the strength to cope with their tragic loss.
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> http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2013-08-22/two-dead-in-leicestershire-plane-crash-full-report/
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Many thanks for all your comments, I've managed to secure a servo from Trevo
r, so all I need now is to get hold of a few extra parts.....
Anyone know if MOD75 Kit is available from Europa still? I've phoned and ema
iled, but no response.
Regards
Kelvin
Sent from my iPad
On 20 Aug 2013, at 13:48, Jeffrey Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net> wrote:
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> I have a navaid servo with a trio head. They provide the adapter to your s
ervo and I'm sure you'll love the Trio head much better than the navaid!!! L
ots more features and much more accurate. It's worked perfect for me for 5 y
ears!
> Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush / FOR SALE
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> believe that the Trio servo is compatible. Give them a call
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> On Monday, August 19, 2013, Kelvin Cobb wrote:
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>> Hi, I know it's a long shot but does anyone on the forum have any idea wh
ere I can get a navaid servo? I have the AP-1 head already installed/linked t
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the aircraft.....
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid Servo |
Kelvin, Your plane was clearly set up for the Graham
Singleton Navaid mod - the bit of alloy at the base of the
pilot's stick is part of it. Suggest you contact Graham
(grahamsingleton@btinternet.com) and see whether he
is still producing the bits.
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:34:29 +0100
Kelvin Cobb <kelvin.cobb@icloud.com> wrote:
> Many thanks for all your comments, I've managed to secure
>a servo from Trevor, so all I need now is to get hold of a
>few extra parts.....
> Anyone know if MOD75 Kit is available from Europa still?
>I've phoned and emailed, but no response.
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> Regards
> Kelvin
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>> Kelvin,
>> I have a navaid servo with a trio head. They provide the
>>adapter to your servo and I'm sure you'll love the Trio
>>head much better than the navaid!!! Lots more features and
>>much more accurate. It's worked perfect for me for 5
>>years!
>> Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush / FOR SALE
>>
>> believe that the Trio servo is compatible. Give them a
>>call
>>
>> On Monday, August 19, 2013, Kelvin Cobb wrote:
>>><kelvin.cobb@icloud.com>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi, I know it's a long shot but does anyone on the forum
>>>have any idea where I can get a navaid servo? I have the
>>>AP-1 head already installed/linked to the GPS, but
>>>unfortunately there was no sign of the servo when I
>>>purchased the aircraft.....
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality |
Hello All.
The crash occurred a couple of days ago, the aircraft is,
G-GBXS, Mono, 914, crashed killing two on board about 300 to 500 m short of runway.
Built in 1998. look like an Ex Europa Demonstrator, see photo in G info.
It is really sad, the brother was watching the plane when it crashed.
>From the photo, my guess only, it looks like a stall or spin impacted ,
or Structural failure as the plane looks like it hit the ground hard and flat.
We will have to wait for the inspection to get the answer.
Anyway it is tragic misfortune for the family.
Regards.
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| Subject: | Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality |
The fact that the wreckage seems to be all together would
argue against a mid air structural failure. Very sad
indeed. David Joyce. G-XSDJ
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> The crash occurred a couple of days ago, the aircraft
>is,
> G-GBXS, Mono, 914, crashed killing two on board about
>300 to 500 m short of runway.
> Built in 1998. look like an Ex Europa Demonstrator, see
>photo in G info.
> It is really sad, the brother was watching the plane
>when it crashed.
>>From the photo, my guess only, it looks like a stall or
>>spin impacted ,
> or Structural failure as the plane looks like it hit the
>ground hard and flat.
> We will have to wait for the inspection to get the
>answer.
> Anyway it is tragic misfortune for the family.
> Regards.
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid Servo |
Thanks Dave, you're a star. I must admit I'd forgotten who you said to contact...
I'll email him now....
Regards, Kelvin (G-BZAM)
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On 23 Aug 2013, at 16:49, David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk> wrote:
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> Kelvin, Your plane was clearly set up for the Graham
> Singleton Navaid mod - the bit of alloy at the base of the
> pilot's stick is part of it. Suggest you contact Graham
> (grahamsingleton@btinternet.com) and see whether he
> is still producing the bits.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
> On Fri, 23 Aug 2013 15:34:29 +0100
> Kelvin Cobb <kelvin.cobb@icloud.com> wrote:
>> Many thanks for all your comments, I've managed to secure a servo from Trevor,
so all I need now is to get hold of a few extra parts.....
>> Anyone know if MOD75 Kit is available from Europa still? I've phoned and emailed,
but no response.
>> Regards
>> Kelvin
>> Sent from my iPad
>> On 20 Aug 2013, at 13:48, Jeffrey Roberts <jeff@rmmm.net> wrote:
>>> Kelvin,
>>> I have a navaid servo with a trio head. They provide the adapter to your servo
and I'm sure you'll love the Trio head much better than the navaid!!! Lots
more features and much more accurate. It's worked perfect for me for 5 years!
>>> Jeff R. N128LJ Gold Rush / FOR SALE
>>> believe that the Trio servo is compatible. Give them a call
>>> On Monday, August 19, 2013, Kelvin Cobb wrote:
>>>> Hi, I know it's a long shot but does anyone on the forum have any idea where
I can get a navaid servo? I have the AP-1 head already installed/linked to
the GPS, but unfortunately there was no sign of the servo when I purchased the
aircraft.....
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Yes, mod 75 is still available from europa. I bought it about 3 or 4 months ago
and also sent my cs10 to them for lugs to be welded on
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| Subject: | Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality |
I would go for stall or spin, but I understand he was a pilot with a reasonable
amount of hours on type, and they always go for pilot error, so its only guess
work from me, and structural failure meaning loss of control through some component
failing, not the wings breaking off or tail plane.
I hope the investigators find the right cause of this crash,
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| Subject: | Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality |
Alan
No idea whether it could be a factor, but I notice on G-INFO that there was
a very recent Permit-to-Fly valid to 14 August 2014. Appears to have been
owned by a Group at a microlight site.
*Philip*
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G-BWWB, Mono, Old Warden.
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> reasonable amount of hours on type, and they always go for pilot error, so
> its only guess work from me, and structural failure meaning loss of control
> through some component failing, not the wings breaking off or tail plane.
> I hope the investigators find the right cause of this crash,
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| Subject: | Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality |
First, we are a Europa family. so my heart and thoughts go out to the
family. I'm sure most of us who bought Europa's in the early 2000 have
flown this aircraft. lets wait and see what conclusion the AAIB come
too. and prey for the family.
Danny G-c.e.ri.
On 23/08/2013 20:07, Philip Levi wrote:
> Alan
> No idea whether it could be a factor, but I notice on G-INFO that
> there was a very recent Permit-to-Fly valid to 14 August 2014.
> Appears to have been owned by a Group at a microlight site.
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> a reasonable amount of hours on type, and they always go for pilot
> error, so its only guess work from me, and structural failure
> meaning loss of control through some component failing, not the
> wings breaking off or tail plane.
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| Subject: | Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality |
Hi Philip.
Yes I noticed that also, but hopefully we will know in time.
As far as I know the weather was good, that gets most of us.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Which Fuel Flow Meter for Europa |
Hi All.
Some help on this please,
Where did you take your power supply for the gauge from.
And where did you take the power supply for the sender from.
I take it the gauge and sender have one hard wire connection to send the data up
to the gauge, or is there a Wi Fi version.
Regards.
Alan
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| Subject: | tailwheel arm fitting |
I've drilled the 7/8" hole in F10 for the tailwheel arm. I used outside calipers
to get the centre the correct 1" above the fuselage bottom skin (that is, the
OUTSIDE of the fuselage) and took care to keep the bore of the hole parallel
to the fuselage bottom. The bottom of the hole finished up just clear of the
curved bottom flange of F10.
The tailwheel arm XTW06 fits into the hole, but will not go far enough forward
for the hole at forward extremity of XTW06 to align with the marked centre 160mm
forward of the front face of F10, because XTW06 binds against the bottom of
F10 & of the fuselage.
Do I need to
(a) enlarge the hole in F10 upwards?
(b) relieve F10 & fuselage at the bottom centre to clear XTW06?
Opinions, please!
in friendship
Rowland
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