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Sat 08/24/13


Total Messages Posted: 4



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     1. 04:29 AM - Re: Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality (Carl Pattinson)
     2. 07:25 AM - Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality (Alan Carter)
     3. 12:00 PM - Re: tailwheel arm fitting (Bud Yerly)
     4. 03:10 PM - tailwheel arm fitting (Erich Trombley)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:29:26 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality
    Just had a look at one of the BBC reports on the accident. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-23816203 The crash occurred in the field adjacent to the airstrip. From the footage looks as though the aircraft was travelling towards the strip suggesting they were about to land. The wreckage shows the aircraft essentially upright when it impacted and the wings are still attached to the cockpit module. One shot shows the gearbox with a complete undamaged propeller blade though this appears to have sheared from the crankcase housing. I'm not familiar with aircraft crashes but would have expected the prop to have been turning on impact (but maybe was stopped - either before or on impact). Pure guess but I wonder if the engine stopped on finals and then an extended glide was attempted - leading to a stall. Hopefully the AIB will put our minds at rest soon although they have told the BBC that it could take six months. Structural/ component failure seems unlikely though if it was we may hear pretty soon (from the LAA). Many of us will recall the aftermath of William Mills tragic accident. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Alan Carter Sent: 23 August 2013 19:24 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality --> <alancarteresq@onetel.net> I would go for stall or spin, but I understand he was a pilot with a reasonable amount of hours on type, and they always go for pilot error, so its only guess work from me, and structural failure meaning loss of control through some component failing, not the wings breaking off or tail plane. I hope the investigators find the right cause of this crash, Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407371#407371


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    Time: 07:25:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Daily Mail report of father and daughter fatality
    From: "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
    Hi Carl. Thanks for the video I had not seen it before. All you comment seem pretty reasonable to me, well done. Hope we get the answer quickly and no major mod required. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407409#407409


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    Time: 12:00:57 PM PST US
    From: "Bud Yerly" <budyerly@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: tailwheel arm fitting
    Rowland, It just doesn't fit without tweaking. You will find that it may be necessary to file a small round in the skin to clear the tail spring. Also the 7/8 inch hole is probably drilled perfectly square yet the spring does not go through the tailpost perfectly square and it is shown in the diagram in the manual page 23M-8 that it is angled through the tail post and impacts the lower skin. So some adjustments are normal. Remember a small amount of space is necessary for the Redux when it is all done and ready to go final. You will also see that the XTW15 flat piece of metal for the 5/16 bolt doesn't quite line up right, and some adjustments there are not uncommon also. Not speaking for the factory any longer, I can say what I do, and in the case of the tail spring, I find the ply support pylon in the tail is usually not tough enough for a couple ground loops, so I tend to build the pylon all the way across the fuselage bottom as shown in Fig 11 Chapter 23M but make it just a bit wider. I do this so when the client drills the hole for the AN5-12 bolt and finds he can't quite get the alignment perfect, I come back in and install a 3/8 steel tube in the bottom as a sleeve with Redux. What the sleeve is good for is it helps when the bolt is pulled up. The sleeve prevents the bolt from crushing the fuselage skin, and ply support when the bolt is properly tensioned, it also gives more support for the bolt, retards bending of the bolt and it will be less likely to be difficult to pull out the bolt, if the spring is bent in a mishap... Happy building, Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: Rowland Carson<mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com> To: Europa e-mail list list<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Europa-List: tailwheel arm fitting <rowlandcarson@gmail.com<mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com>> I've drilled the 7/8" hole in F10 for the tailwheel arm. I used outside calipers to get the centre the correct 1" above the fuselage bottom skin (that is, the OUTSIDE of the fuselage) and took care to keep the bore of the hole parallel to the fuselage bottom. The bottom of the hole finished up just clear of the curved bottom flange of F10. The tailwheel arm XTW06 fits into the hole, but will not go far enough forward for the hole at forward extremity of XTW06 to align with the marked centre 160mm forward of the front face of F10, because XTW06 binds against the bottom of F10 & of the fuselage. Do I need to (a) enlarge the hole in F10 upwards? (b) relieve F10 & fuselage at the bottom centre to clear XTW06? Opinions, please! in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | <rowlandcarson@gmail.com<mailto:rowlandcarson@gmail.com>> http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk<http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk/> | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson<http://picasaweb.google.com/row landcarson> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List<http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Europa-List> http://www.matronics.com/contribution<http://www.matronics.com/contributi on>


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    Time: 03:10:32 PM PST US
    From: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
    Subject: tailwheel arm fitting
    Hi Roland, I had to open up the 7/8" hole (on center) as well as relieve the bottom of the fuselage (rudder closeout) to accommodate the tailwhe el arm. Regards,ErichN28ET Classic Mono 914 ____________________________________________________________ One Weird Trick Could add $1,000s to Your Social Security Checks! See if you Qualify&#82 30 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/52192ecda9d022ecd4e67st01vuc




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