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Tue 09/03/13


Total Messages Posted: 12



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     1. 01:19 AM - Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see! (Dave Disney)
     2. 01:51 AM - Re: Spar socket hole enlargement (craig)
     3. 02:17 AM - Re: Texel coming up this weekend (Bob Harrison)
     4. 03:58 AM - Re: Prop balancing (richard)
     5. 06:00 AM - Re: Spar socket hole enlargement (richard)
     6. 07:22 AM - Now lookit.... ()
     7. 08:35 AM - Now lookit... (houlihan)
     8. 08:55 AM - Re: Now lookit... (Carl Pattinson)
     9. 11:10 AM - Re: Spar socket hole enlargement (Andrew Sarangan)
    10. 11:52 AM - Re: Spar socket hole enlargement (Bob Harrison)
    11. 12:04 PM - solid state contactors (Fred Klein)
    12. 12:29 PM - Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see! (Alan Carter)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:19:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see!
    From: "Dave Disney" <davedisney@yahoo.co.uk>
    A great weekend and my first fly-in with my new aircraft, I hope there will be many more. Dave G-RJWX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407965#407965


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    Time: 01:51:31 AM PST US
    From: "craig" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Spar socket hole enlargement
    I believe the only reason for opening the hole to 1 inch is so it's a neat fit over the bushing in the spar itself That socket is the one with the pip pin installed in it which is supposed to be packed with washers so the pin doesn't move around guess the logic is you would just have to pack the pin more if you remove both sides out to one inch, as you say, though the consensus is that these pins are not transmitting any lift load, however before the strap around the spars was added, the pip pin would be stopping the end of the starboard spar moving rearward under those high lift high drag scenarios that were discussed at length a month or so ago by everyone when the wing is trying to move forward, which is why I believe the tie bar was added. So this may be one of those things that hasn't changed because it doesn't really effect anything in a bad way if its not altered. So you could probably remove it if you want to, the manual is quite clear the sockets are NOT structural, just a rigging aid to help you get the wings on. Feel free to correct me Bud if I got this all wrong Regards craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 1:38 PM Subject: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement The manual says to open up the port spar socket hole to 1" on one side only, presumably the side facing the seatback. So why not the other side? If the sockets are non structural, it would seem odd to sandwich its plate between the bolt head and the spar bushing. What am I missing here? ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 02:17:14 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Texel coming up this weekend
    Hi! Goff, Further to previous posts I'm pretty sure I will attend although things are a bit fluid at this end. The plane is ok after I found a No 4 bottom plug lead off, a month ago it was No. 3 so I have now put a restraint on them as indeed I did from new on No. 1 and No 2. I have also fitted and run up my new Gyro Artificial Horizon (Made in China! ) Ex LAS at the LAA Rally. For those "in the know" about my magnetic plug .....I checked it out and it was spotless again.(222 hours since event) Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG PS for some reason ........possibly since I'm a computer Jurassic ......I can't find the registrations page now. I have asked Ed and Mike to confirm my previous registration. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of goff Sent: 02 September 2013 14:22 Subject: Europa-List: Texel coming up this weekend The weather is looking pretty good so G-CHOX is planning to go Friday and return Sunday. Last time I looked there were only a handful of Europas preregisterd. Any more planning on going? It's a wonderful weekend when the weather plays ball. Goff Goff Moore Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407915#407915


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    Time: 03:58:53 AM PST US
    From: "richard" <rcollings@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Re: Prop balancing
    Hi Frank CFS aero at Coventry Airport Baginton CV8 3BB Tel 02476 305873. They were at the Rally and seemed able to cover most things see www.cfsaero.com Regards Richard From: Frank Mycroft Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 6:58 PM Subject: Europa-List: Prop balancing Does anyone know of someone in the UK who can statically balance an Arplast PV50 3-bladed propellor. I bought some re-conditioned blades when I damaged my own, but they came with an obsolete hub so I fitted them to my old, and much newer hub, but the result is more out of balance then dynamic balancing can cope with, so I need to start with static balancing. There is no point in trying Arplast as they don't seem to like English speakers and ignore them. Please reply to me direct. Frank Mycroft


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    Time: 06:00:59 AM PST US
    From: "richard" <rcollings@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Re: Spar socket hole enlargement
    Hi Its very important to get the spar socket mounted in the right position, to do this rig the wings on to the fuselage and glued the spar sockets in place. The spar pins hold the whole lot in position on the 0.5 inch hole. The opened up side of the socket faces the seatback as a clearance hole is required so as not to interferer with the seat back bushes. Be very careful not to get excess glue onto the spar I covered mine with brown case tape to be sure. When the glue has gone off de-rig the wings very carefully and then add a generous glue fillet round the glue joint and re-enforce it with 3 ply of bid. Good luck Richard -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Sarangan Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:37 AM Subject: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement The manual says to open up the port spar socket hole to 1" on one side only, presumably the side facing the seatback. So why not the other side? If the sockets are non structural, it would seem odd to sandwich its plate between the bolt head and the spar bushing. What am I missing here?


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    Time: 07:22:31 AM PST US
    From: <f.kyle@sympatico.ca>
    Subject: Now lookit....
    We just have to review the Europa-list rules which we get fairly regularly. The reason is: Today's list is a zillion lines of mostly-unnecessary background text. Not too much, not a lot too much, 'WAY TOO MUCH. Nor am I citing anyone in particular, because we are all doing it - mostly out of laziness. I dare anyone to count up the lines of live message/and the lines of duplication. I did this once out of curiosity and found the ratio to be asinine. Let's save time and energy in filtering the background text individually, rather than making everyone waste the multiplied excess. I have to go now - Matron is on the stairs. Ferg


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    Time: 08:35:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Now lookit...
    From: houlihan <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk>
    Ferg I've told you a million times not to exaggerate, A Zillion indeed. I bet you come from a time (like me) when if a program did not fit into a 2 k ram it was considered profligate. In fun :<) Tim


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    Time: 08:55:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Now lookit...
    From: Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
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    Time: 11:10:36 AM PST US
    From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Spar socket hole enlargement
    Craig I guess I don't understand the logic behind this setup. As I understand, the pip pin is there to prevent aft movement of the spars. So why is the pin only used on the port side and not the starboard side? Later on we bond a hardened steel washer to the port socket to retain the pip pin ball. This sounds structural to me, but I know the socket is nonstructural, so I am obviously missing something here. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:50 AM, craig <craigb@onthenet.com.au> wrote: > > I believe the only reason for opening the hole to 1 inch is so it's a neat > fit over the bushing in the spar itself > That socket is the one with the pip pin installed in it which is supposed to > be packed with washers so the pin doesn't move around guess the logic is you > would just have to pack the pin more if you remove both sides out to one > inch, as you say, though the consensus is that these pins are not > transmitting any lift load, however before the strap around the spars was > added, the pip pin would be stopping the end of the starboard spar moving > rearward under those high lift high drag scenarios that were discussed at > length a month or so ago by everyone when the wing is trying to move > forward, which is why I believe the tie bar was added. So this may be one of > those things that hasn't changed because it doesn't really effect anything > in a bad way if its not altered. So you could probably remove it if you want > to, the manual is quite clear the sockets are NOT structural, just a rigging > aid to help you get the wings on. Feel free to correct me Bud if I got this > all wrong > > Regards > > craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 1:38 PM > To: Europa List > Subject: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement > > > The manual says to open up the port spar socket hole to 1" on one side > only, presumably the side facing the seatback. So why not the other > side? If the sockets are non structural, it would seem odd to sandwich > its plate between the bolt head and the spar bushing. What am I > missing here? > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >


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    Time: 11:52:21 AM PST US
    From: "Bob Harrison" <ptag.dev@talktalk.net>
    Subject: Spar socket hole enlargement
    Hi! Andrew, The washer/washers are bedded to take up any slack on the back of the starboard spa tip and canister So contributing to retaining the Starboard spa close secured to the Port Spa. The Starboard Spar is retained close to the centre of the port spa by laying up the "cuff" surrounding the two spas in the middle . The choice of a plain main pin on the starboard side would have been to do with reducing cost but in any case since the wings fail FORWARDS it is not so vital to retain the starboard spa from migrating aft when it is close to the wing close out but it's tip will tend to be parted from its mate.. Many have purchased an additional pip pin to remove any uncertainty which pin goes where ! Hope this helps ? But spoken from a pure layman ........with two pip pins ! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG (Was it you who was sending me some pictures of main gear spats which are hinged to fold upwards?) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan Sent: 03 September 2013 19:10 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement Craig I guess I don't understand the logic behind this setup. As I understand, the pip pin is there to prevent aft movement of the spars. So why is the pin only used on the port side and not the starboard side? Later on we bond a hardened steel washer to the port socket to retain the pip pin ball. This sounds structural to me, but I know the socket is nonstructural, so I am obviously missing something here. On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:50 AM, craig <craigb@onthenet.com.au> wrote: > > I believe the only reason for opening the hole to 1 inch is so it's a > neat fit over the bushing in the spar itself That socket is the one > with the pip pin installed in it which is supposed to be packed with > washers so the pin doesn't move around guess the logic is you would > just have to pack the pin more if you remove both sides out to one > inch, as you say, though the consensus is that these pins are not > transmitting any lift load, however before the strap around the spars > was added, the pip pin would be stopping the end of the starboard spar > moving rearward under those high lift high drag scenarios that were > discussed at length a month or so ago by everyone when the wing is > trying to move forward, which is why I believe the tie bar was added. > So this may be one of those things that hasn't changed because it > doesn't really effect anything in a bad way if its not altered. So you > could probably remove it if you want to, the manual is quite clear the > sockets are NOT structural, just a rigging aid to help you get the > wings on. Feel free to correct me Bud if I got this all wrong > > Regards > > craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew > Sarangan > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 1:38 PM > To: Europa List > Subject: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement > > --> <asarangan@gmail.com> > > The manual says to open up the port spar socket hole to 1" on one side > only, presumably the side facing the seatback. So why not the other > side? If the sockets are non structural, it would seem odd to sandwich > its plate between the bolt head and the spar bushing. What am I > missing here? > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > >


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    Time: 12:04:11 PM PST US
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    Subject: solid state contactors
    I'm wondering if anyone has installed or has the expertise to evaluate these: http://www.periheliondesign.com/powerlinkjr/PowerLinkJrIIIManual.pdf thanks for any insights, Fred


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    Time: 12:29:48 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see!
    From: "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net>
    So many Europa's, .Nice meeting you all, especially Nigel, great Chef, thanks for the Burger. Alan/Sunny Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407991#407991




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