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1. 01:19 AM - Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see! (Dave Disney)
2. 01:51 AM - Re: Spar socket hole enlargement (craig)
3. 02:17 AM - Re: Texel coming up this weekend (Bob Harrison)
4. 03:58 AM - Re: Prop balancing (richard)
5. 06:00 AM - Re: Spar socket hole enlargement (richard)
6. 07:22 AM - Now lookit.... ()
7. 08:35 AM - Now lookit... (houlihan)
8. 08:55 AM - Re: Now lookit... (Carl Pattinson)
9. 11:10 AM - Re: Spar socket hole enlargement (Andrew Sarangan)
10. 11:52 AM - Re: Spar socket hole enlargement (Bob Harrison)
11. 12:04 PM - solid state contactors (Fred Klein)
12. 12:29 PM - Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see! (Alan Carter)
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Subject: | Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see! |
A great weekend and my first fly-in with my new aircraft, I hope there will be
many more.
Dave
G-RJWX
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Subject: | Spar socket hole enlargement |
I believe the only reason for opening the hole to 1 inch is so it's a neat
fit over the bushing in the spar itself
That socket is the one with the pip pin installed in it which is supposed to
be packed with washers so the pin doesn't move around guess the logic is you
would just have to pack the pin more if you remove both sides out to one
inch, as you say, though the consensus is that these pins are not
transmitting any lift load, however before the strap around the spars was
added, the pip pin would be stopping the end of the starboard spar moving
rearward under those high lift high drag scenarios that were discussed at
length a month or so ago by everyone when the wing is trying to move
forward, which is why I believe the tie bar was added. So this may be one of
those things that hasn't changed because it doesn't really effect anything
in a bad way if its not altered. So you could probably remove it if you want
to, the manual is quite clear the sockets are NOT structural, just a rigging
aid to help you get the wings on. Feel free to correct me Bud if I got this
all wrong
Regards
craig
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 1:38 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement
The manual says to open up the port spar socket hole to 1" on one side
only, presumably the side facing the seatback. So why not the other
side? If the sockets are non structural, it would seem odd to sandwich
its plate between the bolt head and the spar bushing. What am I
missing here?
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Subject: | Texel coming up this weekend |
Hi! Goff,
Further to previous posts I'm pretty sure I will attend although things are
a bit fluid at this end. The plane is ok after I found a No 4 bottom plug
lead off, a month ago it was No. 3 so I have now put a restraint on them as
indeed I did from new on No. 1 and No 2. I have also fitted and run up my
new Gyro Artificial Horizon (Made in China! ) Ex LAS at the LAA Rally.
For those "in the know" about my magnetic plug .....I checked it out and it
was spotless again.(222 hours since event)
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
PS for some reason ........possibly since I'm a computer Jurassic ......I
can't find the registrations page now. I have asked Ed and Mike to confirm
my previous registration.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of goff
Sent: 02 September 2013 14:22
Subject: Europa-List: Texel coming up this weekend
The weather is looking pretty good so G-CHOX is planning to go Friday and
return Sunday. Last time I looked there were only a handful of Europas
preregisterd.
Any more planning on going?
It's a wonderful weekend when the weather plays ball.
Goff
Goff Moore
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Subject: | Re: Prop balancing |
Hi Frank
CFS aero at Coventry Airport Baginton CV8 3BB Tel 02476 305873.
They were at the Rally and seemed able to cover most things see
www.cfsaero.com
Regards Richard
From: Frank Mycroft
Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 6:58 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Prop balancing
Does anyone know of someone in the UK who can statically balance an
Arplast PV50 3-bladed propellor. I bought some re-conditioned blades
when I damaged my own, but they came with an obsolete hub so I fitted
them to my old, and much newer hub, but the result is more out of
balance then dynamic balancing can cope with, so I need to start with
static balancing. There is no point in trying Arplast as they don't
seem to like English speakers and ignore them. Please reply to me
direct.
Frank Mycroft
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Subject: | Re: Spar socket hole enlargement |
Hi Its very important to get the spar socket mounted in the right position,
to do this rig the wings on to the fuselage and glued the spar sockets in
place. The spar pins hold the whole lot in position on the 0.5 inch hole.
The opened up side of the socket faces the seatback as a clearance hole is
required so as not to interferer with the seat back bushes. Be very careful
not to get excess glue onto the spar I covered mine with brown case tape to
be sure. When the glue has gone off de-rig the wings very carefully and then
add a generous glue fillet round the glue joint and re-enforce it with 3 ply
of bid.
Good luck Richard
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From: Andrew Sarangan
Sent: Tuesday, September 3, 2013 4:37 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement
The manual says to open up the port spar socket hole to 1" on one side
only, presumably the side facing the seatback. So why not the other
side? If the sockets are non structural, it would seem odd to sandwich
its plate between the bolt head and the spar bushing. What am I
missing here?
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We just have to review the Europa-list rules which we get fairly regularly.
The reason is: Today's list is a zillion lines of mostly-unnecessary
background text. Not too much, not a lot too much, 'WAY TOO MUCH.
Nor am I citing anyone in particular, because we are all doing it - mostly
out of laziness. I dare anyone to count up the lines of live message/and the
lines of duplication. I did this once out of curiosity and found the ratio
to be asinine.
Let's save time and energy in filtering the background text individually,
rather than making everyone waste the multiplied excess. I have to go now -
Matron is on the stairs.
Ferg
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Ferg
I've told you a million times not to exaggerate,
A Zillion indeed.
I bet you come from a time (like me) when if a program did not fit into a
2 k ram it was considered profligate.
In fun :<)
Tim
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Subject: | Re: Spar socket hole enlargement |
Craig
I guess I don't understand the logic behind this setup. As I
understand, the pip pin is there to prevent aft movement of the spars.
So why is the pin only used on the port side and not the starboard
side?
Later on we bond a hardened steel washer to the port socket to retain
the pip pin ball. This sounds structural to me, but I know the socket
is nonstructural, so I am obviously missing something here.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:50 AM, craig <craigb@onthenet.com.au> wrote:
>
> I believe the only reason for opening the hole to 1 inch is so it's a neat
> fit over the bushing in the spar itself
> That socket is the one with the pip pin installed in it which is supposed to
> be packed with washers so the pin doesn't move around guess the logic is you
> would just have to pack the pin more if you remove both sides out to one
> inch, as you say, though the consensus is that these pins are not
> transmitting any lift load, however before the strap around the spars was
> added, the pip pin would be stopping the end of the starboard spar moving
> rearward under those high lift high drag scenarios that were discussed at
> length a month or so ago by everyone when the wing is trying to move
> forward, which is why I believe the tie bar was added. So this may be one of
> those things that hasn't changed because it doesn't really effect anything
> in a bad way if its not altered. So you could probably remove it if you want
> to, the manual is quite clear the sockets are NOT structural, just a rigging
> aid to help you get the wings on. Feel free to correct me Bud if I got this
> all wrong
>
> Regards
>
> craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 1:38 PM
> To: Europa List
> Subject: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement
>
>
> The manual says to open up the port spar socket hole to 1" on one side
> only, presumably the side facing the seatback. So why not the other
> side? If the sockets are non structural, it would seem odd to sandwich
> its plate between the bolt head and the spar bushing. What am I
> missing here?
>
>
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Subject: | Spar socket hole enlargement |
Hi! Andrew,
The washer/washers are bedded to take up any slack on the back of the
starboard spa tip and canister So contributing to retaining the Starboard
spa close secured to the Port Spa. The Starboard Spar is retained close to
the centre of the port spa by laying up the "cuff" surrounding the two spas
in the middle . The choice of a plain main pin on the starboard side would
have been to do with reducing cost but in any case since the wings fail
FORWARDS it is not so vital to retain the starboard spa from migrating aft
when it is close to the wing close out but it's tip will tend to be parted
from its mate..
Many have purchased an additional pip pin to remove any uncertainty which
pin goes where !
Hope this helps ? But spoken from a pure layman ........with two pip pins !
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG (Was it you who was sending me some pictures of main
gear spats which are hinged to fold upwards?)
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Sarangan
Sent: 03 September 2013 19:10
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement
Craig
I guess I don't understand the logic behind this setup. As I understand, the
pip pin is there to prevent aft movement of the spars.
So why is the pin only used on the port side and not the starboard side?
Later on we bond a hardened steel washer to the port socket to retain the
pip pin ball. This sounds structural to me, but I know the socket is
nonstructural, so I am obviously missing something here.
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 4:50 AM, craig <craigb@onthenet.com.au> wrote:
>
> I believe the only reason for opening the hole to 1 inch is so it's a
> neat fit over the bushing in the spar itself That socket is the one
> with the pip pin installed in it which is supposed to be packed with
> washers so the pin doesn't move around guess the logic is you would
> just have to pack the pin more if you remove both sides out to one
> inch, as you say, though the consensus is that these pins are not
> transmitting any lift load, however before the strap around the spars
> was added, the pip pin would be stopping the end of the starboard spar
> moving rearward under those high lift high drag scenarios that were
> discussed at length a month or so ago by everyone when the wing is
> trying to move forward, which is why I believe the tie bar was added.
> So this may be one of those things that hasn't changed because it
> doesn't really effect anything in a bad way if its not altered. So you
> could probably remove it if you want to, the manual is quite clear the
> sockets are NOT structural, just a rigging aid to help you get the
> wings on. Feel free to correct me Bud if I got this all wrong
>
> Regards
>
> craig
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew
> Sarangan
> Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2013 1:38 PM
> To: Europa List
> Subject: Europa-List: Spar socket hole enlargement
>
> --> <asarangan@gmail.com>
>
> The manual says to open up the port spar socket hole to 1" on one side
> only, presumably the side facing the seatback. So why not the other
> side? If the sockets are non structural, it would seem odd to sandwich
> its plate between the bolt head and the spar bushing. What am I
> missing here?
>
>
> -----
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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>
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Subject: | solid state contactors |
I'm wondering if anyone has installed or has the expertise to evaluate these:
http://www.periheliondesign.com/powerlinkjr/PowerLinkJrIIIManual.pdf
thanks for any insights,
Fred
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Subject: | Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see! |
So many Europa's, .Nice meeting you all, especially Nigel, great Chef, thanks for
the Burger.
Alan/Sunny
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