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1. 07:50 AM - Refilling a Europa by hand (Alan Carter)
2. 08:22 AM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Richard Iddon)
3. 08:29 AM - Re: Classic radiator(s) needed (Richard Lamprey)
4. 08:34 AM - Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see! (Richard Lamprey)
5. 10:41 AM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Alan Burrill)
6. 12:57 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Trevpond)
7. 01:01 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (graeme bird)
8. 01:30 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (John Heykoop)
9. 01:31 PM - My Longest flight (graeme bird)
10. 02:07 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Karl Heindl)
11. 02:08 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (David Joyce)
12. 02:34 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Bob Hitchcock)
13. 03:19 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Sky Email)
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| Subject: | Refilling a Europa by hand |
Hi All.
My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my
shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time
squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into
the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it
make your own,??
Regards.
Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
Hi Alan.
I lift my can onto a non slip pad the wing then use a battery operated fuel pump
to transfer it to the tank. Search for battery operated fuel pump on Amazon
or Ebay. They are a bit flimsy and not terribly fast but they work OK and you
can buy one for about 15. I am on my second one in 8 years. They take a couple
of D cells and the batteries last at least a full season with me.
Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
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> Hi All.
> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above
my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time
squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged
into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is
it make your own,??
> Regards.
> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Classic radiator(s) needed |
Thanks very much Philip and Paul, and also to Kevin Burns who has been in touch
by email.
So, thanks, good leads to follow:
Best
Richard
Kenya
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| Subject: | Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see! |
Looks fantastic; the last rally I made it to was Cranfield 10 years ago (PFA days)!
And my Europa has never met another Europa.
Richard, Kenya
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel
with a micro mesh filter.
I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect
to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a
25 litre can.
Alan
Sent from my iPhone
On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
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> Hi All.
> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above
my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time
squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged
into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is
it make your own,??
> Regards.
> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
Hi Richard
I have the same pump, runs on 2 A type batteries - Brilliant! Used mine for years.
Regards
Trev G:-LINN
Sent from my iPad
On 4 Sep 2013, at 16:21, Richard Iddon <riddon@sent.com> wrote:
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> Hi Alan.
>
> I lift my can onto a non slip pad the wing then use a battery operated fuel pump
to transfer it to the tank. Search for battery operated fuel pump on Amazon
or Ebay. They are a bit flimsy and not terribly fast but they work OK and you
can buy one for about 15. I am on my second one in 8 years. They take a couple
of D cells and the batteries last at least a full season with me.
>
> Richard Iddon. G-RIXS
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> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, Alan Carter <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
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>> Hi All.
>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above
my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of
time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged
into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is
it make your own,??
>> Regards.
>> Alan
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>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
I brought a hand pump for fuel and mounted it on my hangar wall, its the type with
a leaver you waggle. Its quick enough but then I brought a flylight filter
and found that a lot of fuel remained in the feed and out 1" pipes. So I use
20 ltr cans and find I can rest them on the side of the filter and they are ok.
Its rare that I put in more than 1 or 2. Mine has the middle old position filler.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 75 hours 18 months
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
Hi all
I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow', but
filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting
the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having to load
the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with this
and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good.
What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while
refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen
over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I decided to do
without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop of
water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All the same,
I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be interested to know
how other XS owners manage this.
John
Europa XS G-JHKP
On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote:
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> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel
with a micro mesh filter.
>
> I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect
to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with
a 25 litre can.
>
> Alan
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
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>> Hi All.
>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above
my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of
time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged
into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is
it make your own,??
>> Regards.
>> Alan
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| Subject: | My Longest flight |
My longest single continuous flight today, 3:20 370nm, 53ltrs. Comfortable enough.
Luton over Cader Idris to Bardsley Isle at the end of the Lynn Northwales,
back just over Snowden. Fab.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 75 hours 18 months
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
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| Subject: | Refilling a Europa by hand |
I used to use one of those cheap electric pumps=2C with a 25l can on the wi
ng. But the pump eventually fell apart. They are only meant for pumping wat
er=2C maybe heating oil also. I was also concerned about the motor being su
rrounded by fumes.Much easier=2C quicker and safer is to have 2 or 3 of the
same 25l plastic fuel cans=2C but have them only half full. Then they are
easy to lift up and pour. The filter fits right into the cobra neck. I can'
t remember where I bought it.
Cheers=2C Karl
> Hi all
>
> I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow'
=2C but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by sim
ply lifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of h
aving to load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got
fed up with this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably
does me good.
>
> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright
while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thin
g had fallen over a number of times=2C covering me and the plane with fuel
I decided to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never
found a drop of water in the fuel=2C and my gascolator filter is always ve
ry clean. All the same=2C I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel=2C an
d would be interested to know how other XS owners manage this.
>
> John
> Europa XS G-JHKP
>
> On 4 Sep 2013=2C at 18:39=2C Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote:
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> > Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a fil
ter funnel with a micro mesh filter.
> >
> > I have also seen a standard fuel pump=2C as in the Europa electric pump
=2C connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack
Barrow' with a 25 litre can.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
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> > On 4 Sep 2013=2C at 15:48=2C "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net> w
rote:
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> >> Hi All.
> >> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
> >> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann=2C lifting this weight of fuel
to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
> >> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump=2C I presume this take a
lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
> >> Has anyone used or details off =2C an electric inline pump that can be
plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket=2C I have not seen any on the
market=2C so is it make your own=2C??
> >> Regards.
> >> Alan
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
John, I have a simple funnel with the spout cut off so it
is about 6 or 7cm long and with a string attached to the
brim. This attaches by a half hitch to the door strut and
the whole thing is nicely stable. A paint filter inside
the funnel completes the set up when I am using a jerry
can. I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from
an airport pump. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:27:54 +0100
John Heykoop <john.heykoop@gmail.com> wrote:
><john.heykoop@gmail.com>
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> Hi all
>
> I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump
>on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes
>a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting the jerry
>can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of
>having to load the barrow into the car every time I go
>flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do
>everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me
>good.
>
> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a
>filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can
>(my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen
>over a number of times, covering me and the plane with
>fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse
>consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the
>fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All
>the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel,
>and would be interested to know how other XS owners
>manage this.
>
> John
> Europa XS G-JHKP
>
> On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill
><alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote:
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>><alanb@dpy01.co.uk>
>>
>> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to
>>pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter.
>>
>> I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa
>>electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid
>>cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter"
>><alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
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>>><alancarteresq@onetel.net>
>>>
>>> Hi All.
>>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
>>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this
>>>weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is
>>>hard work.
>>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume
>>>this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re
>>>fill.??
>>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump
>>>that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket,
>>>I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your
>>>own,??
>>> Regards.
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
Hi All
I have used the same Polarn pump for the last four years. No battery needed a
nd allows precise control directly from the jerry can that I place on a stoo
l. Can't remember where I purchased from. This link has a good picture.
http://www.absoluteflying.co.uk/Jerry_Can_Fuel_Pump/cat933351_842633.aspx
Your hand is left free to guide the filler tube into the filter.
Easy and safe.
Regards
Bob
On 4 Sep 2013, at 21:27, John Heykoop <john.heykoop@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all
>
> I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow',
but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply l
ifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having t
o load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up w
ith this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me g
ood.
>
> What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright w
hile refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing h
ad fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I deci
ded to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a
drop of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. A
ll the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be inter
ested to know how other XS owners manage this.
>
> John
> Europa XS G-JHKP
>
> On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>
>> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filte
r funnel with a micro mesh filter.
>>
>> I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, co
nnect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow'
with a 25 litre can.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" <alancarteresq@onetel.net> wrote:
>>
et>
>>>
>>> Hi All.
>>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS.
>>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to a
bove my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work.
>>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot
of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.??
>>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plu
gged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market,
so is it make your own,??
>>> Regards.
>>> Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005
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| Subject: | Re: Refilling a Europa by hand |
I can second Bob's pump choice - available from Demon Tweeks online - I use i
t to fuel my gyro with a high tank inlet (pending actually building my XS mo
no), the pump is designed for rally car fuelling in the field and can pump w
ith the jerry can at ground level or syphon if the can is close to the same l
evel as the tank inlet.
Regards
Richard CC
On 4 Sep 2013, at 22:33, Bob Hitchcock <robert.hitchcock@virgin.net> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I have used the same Polarn pump for the last four years. No battery neede
d and allows precise control directly from the jerry can that I place on a s
tool. Can't remember where I purchased from. This link has a good picture.
>
> http://www.absoluteflying.co.uk/Jerry_Can_Fuel_Pump/cat933351_842633.aspx
>
>
> Your hand is left free to guide the filler tube into the filter.
>
> Easy and safe.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Bob
>
>
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