---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/04/13: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:50 AM - Refilling a Europa by hand (Alan Carter) 2. 08:22 AM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Richard Iddon) 3. 08:29 AM - Re: Classic radiator(s) needed (Richard Lamprey) 4. 08:34 AM - Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see! (Richard Lamprey) 5. 10:41 AM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Alan Burrill) 6. 12:57 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Trevpond) 7. 01:01 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (graeme bird) 8. 01:30 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (John Heykoop) 9. 01:31 PM - My Longest flight (graeme bird) 10. 02:07 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Karl Heindl) 11. 02:08 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (David Joyce) 12. 02:34 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Bob Hitchcock) 13. 03:19 PM - Re: Refilling a Europa by hand (Sky Email) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:32 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand From: "Alan Carter" Hi All. My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work. I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.?? Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,?? Regards. Alan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand From: Richard Iddon Hi Alan. I lift my can onto a non slip pad the wing then use a battery operated fuel pump to transfer it to the tank. Search for battery operated fuel pump on Amazon or Ebay. They are a bit flimsy and not terribly fast but they work OK and you can buy one for about 15. I am on my second one in 8 years. They take a couple of D cells and the batteries last at least a full season with me. Richard Iddon. G-RIXS On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, Alan Carter wrote: > > Hi All. > My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. > I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work. > I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.?? > Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,?? > Regards. > Alan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:13 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Classic radiator(s) needed From: "Richard Lamprey" Thanks very much Philip and Paul, and also to Kevin Burns who has been in touch by email. So, thanks, good leads to follow: Best Richard Kenya Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408008#408008 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:05 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europas - as far as the eye can see! From: "Richard Lamprey" Looks fantastic; the last rally I made it to was Cranfield 10 years ago (PFA days)! And my Europa has never met another Europa. Richard, Kenya Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408010#408010 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand From: Alan Burrill Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter. I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. Alan Sent from my iPhone On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" wrote: > > Hi All. > My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. > I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work. > I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.?? > Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,?? > Regards. > Alan > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:57:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand From: Trevpond Hi Richard I have the same pump, runs on 2 A type batteries - Brilliant! Used mine for years. Regards Trev G:-LINN Sent from my iPad On 4 Sep 2013, at 16:21, Richard Iddon wrote: > > Hi Alan. > > I lift my can onto a non slip pad the wing then use a battery operated fuel pump to transfer it to the tank. Search for battery operated fuel pump on Amazon or Ebay. They are a bit flimsy and not terribly fast but they work OK and you can buy one for about 15. I am on my second one in 8 years. They take a couple of D cells and the batteries last at least a full season with me. > > Richard Iddon. G-RIXS > > On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, Alan Carter wrote: > >> >> Hi All. >> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. >> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work. >> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.?? >> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,?? >> Regards. >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:49 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Refilling a Europa by hand From: "graeme bird" I brought a hand pump for fuel and mounted it on my hangar wall, its the type with a leaver you waggle. Its quick enough but then I brought a flylight filter and found that a lot of fuel remained in the feed and out 1" pipes. So I use 20 ltr cans and find I can rest them on the side of the filter and they are ok. Its rare that I put in more than 1 or 2. Mine has the middle old position filler. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 75 hours 18 months g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408019#408019 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:30:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand From: John Heykoop Hi all I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having to load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good. What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be interested to know how other XS owners manage this. John Europa XS G-JHKP On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill wrote: > > Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter. > > I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. > > Alan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" wrote: > >> >> Hi All. >> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. >> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work. >> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.?? >> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,?? >> Regards. >> Alan >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:31:18 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: My Longest flight From: "graeme bird" My longest single continuous flight today, 3:20 370nm, 53ltrs. Comfortable enough. Luton over Cader Idris to Bardsley Isle at the end of the Lynn Northwales, back just over Snowden. Fab. -------- Graeme Bird G-UMPY Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W Newby: 75 hours 18 months g(at)gdbmk.co.uk Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408021#408021 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc04664_1_213.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc043901_112.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc045591_125.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc046101_186.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:55 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand I used to use one of those cheap electric pumps=2C with a 25l can on the wi ng. But the pump eventually fell apart. They are only meant for pumping wat er=2C maybe heating oil also. I was also concerned about the motor being su rrounded by fumes.Much easier=2C quicker and safer is to have 2 or 3 of the same 25l plastic fuel cans=2C but have them only half full. Then they are easy to lift up and pour. The filter fits right into the cobra neck. I can' t remember where I bought it. Cheers=2C Karl > Hi all > > I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow' =2C but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by sim ply lifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of h aving to load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me good. > > What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thin g had fallen over a number of times=2C covering me and the plane with fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the fuel=2C and my gascolator filter is always ve ry clean. All the same=2C I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel=2C an d would be interested to know how other XS owners manage this. > > John > Europa XS G-JHKP > > On 4 Sep 2013=2C at 18:39=2C Alan Burrill wrote: > > > > > Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a fil ter funnel with a micro mesh filter. > > > > I have also seen a standard fuel pump=2C as in the Europa electric pump =2C connect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. > > > > Alan > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 4 Sep 2013=2C at 15:48=2C "Alan Carter" w rote: > > .net> > >> > >> Hi All. > >> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. > >> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann=2C lifting this weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work. > >> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump=2C I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.?? > >> Has anyone used or details off =2C an electric inline pump that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket=2C I have not seen any on the market=2C so is it make your own=2C?? > >> Regards. > >> Alan > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Read this topic online here: > >> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:02 PM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand John, I have a simple funnel with the spout cut off so it is about 6 or 7cm long and with a string attached to the brim. This attaches by a half hitch to the door strut and the whole thing is nicely stable. A paint filter inside the funnel completes the set up when I am using a jerry can. I don't bother with the funnel when I am filling from an airport pump. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ On Wed, 4 Sep 2013 21:27:54 +0100 John Heykoop wrote: > > > Hi all > > I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump >on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes >a lot longer than refueling by simply lifting the jerry >can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of >having to load the barrow into the car every time I go >flying. So I soon got fed up with this and now do >everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me >good. > > What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a >filter funnel upright while refueling from a jerry can >(my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing had fallen >over a number of times, covering me and the plane with >fuel I decided to do without. So far without adverse >consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the >fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. All >the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, >and would be interested to know how other XS owners >manage this. > > John > Europa XS G-JHKP > > On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill > wrote: > >> >> >> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to >>pour into a filter funnel with a micro mesh filter. >> >> I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa >>electric pump, connect to a small rechargeable lead acid >>cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. >> >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Hi All. >>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. >>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this >>>weight of fuel to above my shoulders to fill the plan is >>>hard work. >>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume >>>this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re >>>fill.?? >>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump >>>that can be plugged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, >>>I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your >>>own,?? >>> Regards. >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > >Un/Subscription, >Forums! >Admin. > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand From: Bob Hitchcock Hi All I have used the same Polarn pump for the last four years. No battery needed a nd allows precise control directly from the jerry can that I place on a stoo l. Can't remember where I purchased from. This link has a good picture. http://www.absoluteflying.co.uk/Jerry_Can_Fuel_Pump/cat933351_842633.aspx Your hand is left free to guide the filler tube into the filter. Easy and safe. Regards Bob On 4 Sep 2013, at 21:27, John Heykoop wrote: > > Hi all > > I fitted a car battery and a standard Europa fuel pump on a 'sack barrow', but filling the plane this way takes a lot longer than refueling by simply l ifting the jerry can above my shoulders. There is also the hassle of having t o load the barrow into the car every time I go flying. So I soon got fed up w ith this and now do everything the hard way. The exercise probably does me g ood. > > What I haven't been able to master is how to keep a filter funnel upright w hile refueling from a jerry can (my Europa is an XS). After the damn thing h ad fallen over a number of times, covering me and the plane with fuel I deci ded to do without. So far without adverse consequences - I have never found a drop of water in the fuel, and my gascolator filter is always very clean. A ll the same, I am uneasy about not using a filter funnel, and would be inter ested to know how other XS owners manage this. > > John > Europa XS G-JHKP > > On 4 Sep 2013, at 18:39, Alan Burrill wrote: > >> >> Personally I use 10 litre fuel cans which I can lift to pour into a filte r funnel with a micro mesh filter. >> >> I have also seen a standard fuel pump, as in the Europa electric pump, co nnect to a small rechargeable lead acid cell. All mounted on a 'Sack Barrow' with a 25 litre can. >> >> Alan >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 4 Sep 2013, at 15:48, "Alan Carter" wrote: >> et> >>> >>> Hi All. >>> My plan is LAA cleared for use with MOGAS. >>> I fill it with a 28 litre plastic cann, lifting this weight of fuel to a bove my shoulders to fill the plan is hard work. >>> I know Trans Air do a filler nozzle hand pump, I presume this take a lot of time squeezing the trigger to re fill.?? >>> Has anyone used or details off , an electric inline pump that can be plu gged into the aircrafts AUX power socket, I have not seen any on the market, so is it make your own,?? >>> Regards. >>> Alan >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408005#408005 > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Refilling a Europa by hand From: Sky Email I can second Bob's pump choice - available from Demon Tweeks online - I use i t to fuel my gyro with a high tank inlet (pending actually building my XS mo no), the pump is designed for rally car fuelling in the field and can pump w ith the jerry can at ground level or syphon if the can is close to the same l evel as the tank inlet. Regards Richard CC On 4 Sep 2013, at 22:33, Bob Hitchcock wrote: > Hi All > > I have used the same Polarn pump for the last four years. No battery neede d and allows precise control directly from the jerry can that I place on a s tool. Can't remember where I purchased from. This link has a good picture. > > http://www.absoluteflying.co.uk/Jerry_Can_Fuel_Pump/cat933351_842633.aspx > > > Your hand is left free to guide the filler tube into the filter. > > Easy and safe. > > > Regards > > Bob > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.