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1. 03:47 AM - Firewall Off-cut (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
2. 04:07 AM - Re: Firewall Off-cut (Richard Iddon)
3. 07:31 AM - fuel sight tube - advice needed how to prevent bubble (graeme bird)
4. 07:35 AM - Carpet type ? (graeme bird)
5. 08:14 AM - Re: Navaid Servo (Kelvin Cobb)
6. 09:01 AM - Re: Navaid Servo (Carl Pattinson)
7. 10:09 AM - Re: Carpet type ? (Jeff B)
8. 02:32 PM - Re: Carpet type ? (craig)
9. 03:09 PM - Re: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLASSIC TRI (Christoph Both)
10. 04:36 PM - Re: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLASSIC TRI (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
11. 05:15 PM - Re: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLASSIC TRI (Christoph Both)
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| Subject: | Firewall Off-cut |
A bit of a strange request but ...... does anyone (in the UK) still have
the section of the phenolic firewall that would have been cut out and
discarded when installing the main engine/undercarriage frame? As some
of you will be aware, I am developing a conventional gear and as this
does not make use of this frame, I am looking to close off the hole with
suitably fire retardant material.
If you still have this lurking in the scrap pile in your workshop, I
would be happy to offer it a new home.
Nigel
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| Subject: | Re: Firewall Off-cut |
Nigel.
I have a small piece approx. 7in. x 13in. if this is any good to you.
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS.
On 7 Sep 2013, at 11:46, nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote:
>
> A bit of a strange request but ...... does anyone (in the UK) still have the
section of the phenolic firewall that would have been cut out and discarded when
installing the main engine/undercarriage frame? As some of you will be aware,
I am developing a conventional gear and as this does not make use of this frame,
I am looking to close off the hole with suitably fire retardant material.
>
> If you still have this lurking in the scrap pile in your workshop, I would be
happy to offer it a new home.
>
> Nigel
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | fuel sight tube - advice needed how to prevent bubble |
Filled the tank in stages and checked the sight tube as its been a bit odd and
I thought I may have made a mistake in marking. At about 4/5ths full the reading
goes down but the vent tube stays full. I presume due to wiggles in the pipe
and when the surface tension matches the force of the air wanting to escape
the bubble stays and it misreads.
I am thinking putting a larger dia pipe from the tank to to vent would cure it
or maybe just a wide section (like a filter glass with no filter) might do it.
I only use if for ground fuel state assessment.
Found the seal on the electric qauge is seeping slightly, wretched thing wish I'd
gone straight to the FPL5 fuel flow gauge.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 75 hours 18 months
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408195#408195
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My cockpit is all bare apart from the seats, Where would I get light, fire resistant
carpet from? I have made up some paper formers. I could even consider some
upholstery if I knew what to use and where to get it.
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Graeme Bird
G-UMPY
Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
Newby: 75 hours 18 months
g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408196#408196
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid Servo |
Ok, nearly there with getting all the parts together to complete the Navaid wing
leveller installation.
Would anyone know the parent numbers & where to purchase the constituent parts
that make up the 'push rod' that connects the servo to the aircraft? I can see
from photos, that its a length of tubing, rod ends & very small rose joints;
but my head hurts from trying to track down all the correct numbers :-(
Regards as alway
Kelvin (G-BZAM)
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LAS Aerospace Ltd (Light Aero Spares) would be my first port of call - they
should stock everything you require.
http://www.lasaero.com
What you need will depend on the how you are installing it - I am not aware
of any standard installation.
Here is a quick pic of ours which I designed myself (sorry, not the full
installation - this was a shot of the stick which shows where the servo arm
is connected). It is a short length of tube and two rod ends bolted to a
bracket at the base of the control stick.
Hope this helps.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelvin Cobb
Sent: 07 September 2013 16:14
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Navaid Servo
Ok, nearly there with getting all the parts together to complete the Navaid
wing leveller installation.
Would anyone know the parent numbers & where to purchase the constituent
parts that make up the 'push rod' that connects the servo to the aircraft? I
can see from photos, that its a length of tubing, rod ends & very small rose
joints; but my head hurts from trying to track down all the correct numbers
:-(
Regards as alway
Kelvin (G-BZAM)
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| Subject: | Re: Carpet type ? |
Graeme,
There is a very light carpet, meant for auto interiors, that is sold in
small rolls at places like Auto Zone and other automotive suppliers. It
is pliable enough to be stretched around the contours of the center
tunnel. A little heat from a heat gun and it forms perfectly. Any good
spray adhesive will hold it in place. I would estimate all the carpet in
Baby Blue weighs less than half a kilo.
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 9/7/2013 9:35 AM, graeme bird wrote:
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> My cockpit is all bare apart from the seats, Where would I get light, fire resistant
carpet from? I have made up some paper formers. I could even consider
some upholstery if I knew what to use and where to get it.
>
> --------
> Graeme Bird
> G-UMPY
> Mono Classic/XS 912S/Woodcomp 3000/3W
> Newby: 75 hours 18 months
> g(at)gdbmk.co.uk
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408196#408196
>
>
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SOME not all marine carpets are a good choice also, I bought 8 metres on a
roll 8 feet wide and the whole lot weighs in at about 4kg, very hard wearing
and fire resistant, comes in a choice of colours, once cut I expect mine
will weigh in around 2kg, that's covering the front floor and sides up to
the door opening, tunnel, seat back (front top and back)
And baggage bay floor up to the fuselage join and the bulkhead apart from
the D panel
Hope this helps
craig
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLASSIC |
TRI
Dear Europa Community:
I am in the process of establishing Weight&Balance for my Europa Classic En
gine Frame Trigear.
The question of the firewall forward datum has come up as data produced fro
m preliminary measurements of weight and distance have not yet returned a s
atisfactory reference to the required 58'-62.5' CG envelope.
The Classic version I completed has the Classic Engine Mount fitted, this i
s why I referred to the Pilot Handbook from 1998. However, the handbook sho
ws only the MONO configuration. No reference to the recently more common z
ero station to be found at 29.75 inches forward from the backward firewall
juggle is made there. And I assume this newer, more precise measurement pro
bably applies to the XS motor mount and cowling which might have quite diff
erent dimensions. My Classic forward face of the cowling shows 29.0 inches
from that firewall juggle.
Am I missing something important here? Where exactly os the Zero Datum for
Classic Engine Mount Europas to be found?
Finally, I assume the nose wheel is supposed to point backwards towards the
tail when taking weight and distance measurements from station zero.
If there is an official documentation how to establish W&B for my configura
tion, I appreciate this.
Thank you.
Christoph Both
#223 Classic 912ULS
C-GPEL
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLASSIC |
TRI
Christoph=0ADon't be too confused by different data, (datums? don't sound r
ight does it?)=0AThe critical issue is the relationship between Centre of P
ressure and C of G. The datum is an empirical position chosen for convenien
ce of calculation, so you need to refer your calculated CG to the datum use
d to calculate it. I suggest you use the XS datum point, remember you need
to be accurate with distance measurement, (0.1 inch.)-=0AI always use a s
preadsheet, this can be entered in your iPad to check loading in the field.
This -works for any airplane. I simply enter the relevant lengths which
sometimes have a -ve sign if they are the other side of the datum. For anot
her airplane just alter the measurements.-=0AI hope that helps, please no
te I've had my nocturnal Scotch which might dilute quality of communication
.-=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Christoph B
oth <christoph.both@acadiau.ca>=0ATo: "europa-list@matronics.com" <europa-l
ist@matronics.com> =0ASent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 23:09=0ASubject: Re
: Europa-List: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLASSIC TRI
=0A =0A=0A=0ADear Europa Community:=0AI am in the process of establishing W
eight&Balance for my Europa Classic Engine Frame Trigear.=0AThe question of
the firewall forward datum has come up as data produced from preliminary m
easurements of weight and distance have not yet returned a satisfactory ref
erence to the required 58'-62.5' CG envelope.-=0AThe Classic version I co
mpleted has the Classic Engine Mount fitted, this is why I referred to the
Pilot Handbook from 1998. However, the handbook shows only -the MONO conf
iguration. No reference to the recently more common zero station to be foun
d at 29.75 inches forward from the backward firewall juggle is made there.
And I assume this newer, more precise measurement probably applies to the X
S motor mount and cowling which might have quite different dimensions. -M
y Classic forward face of the cowling shows 29.0 inches from that firewall
juggle.=0AAm I missing something important here? Where exactly os the Zero
Datum for Classic Engine Mount Europas to be found?=0AFinally, I assume the
nose wheel is supposed to point backwards towards the tail when taking wei
ght and distance measurements from station zero.=0AIf there is an official
documentation how to establish W&B for my configuration, I appreciate this.
===========
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLASSIC |
TRI
Graham,
Thank you so much for addressing my questions. Much appreciated.
Best,
Christoph
From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com<mailto:grahamsinglet
on@btinternet.com>>
ropa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>
ist@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLA
SSIC TRI
Christoph
Don't be too confused by different data, (datums? don't sound right does it
?)
The critical issue is the relationship between Centre of Pressure and C of
G. The datum is an empirical position chosen for convenience of calculation
, so you need to refer your calculated CG to the datum used to calculate it
. I suggest you use the XS datum point, remember you need to be accurate wi
th distance measurement, (0.1 inch.)
I always use a spreadsheet, this can be entered in your iPad to check loadi
ng in the field. This works for any airplane. I simply enter the relevant
lengths which sometimes have a -ve sign if they are the other side of the d
atum. For another airplane just alter the measurements.
I hope that helps, please note I've had my nocturnal Scotch which might dil
ute quality of communication.
Graham
________________________________
From: Christoph Both <christoph.both@acadiau.ca<mailto:christoph.both@acadi
au.ca>>
ist@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Saturday, 7 September 2013, 23:09
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Weight & Balance parameters requested: EUROPA CLA
SSIC TRI
Dear Europa Community:
I am in the process of establishing Weight&Balance for my Europa Classic En
gine Frame Trigear.
The question of the firewall forward datum has come up as data produced fro
m preliminary measurements of weight and distance have not yet returned a s
atisfactory reference to the required 58'-62.5' CG envelope.
The Classic version I completed has the Classic Engine Mount fitted, this i
s why I referred to the Pilot Handbook from 1998. However, the handbook sho
ws only the MONO configuration. No reference to the recently more common z
ero station to be found at 29.75 inches forward from the backward firewall
juggle is made there. And I assume this newer, more precise measurement pro
bably applies to the XS motor mount and cowling which might have quite diff
erent dimensions. My Classic forward face of the cowling shows 29.0 inches
from that firewall juggle.
Am I missing something important here? Where exactly os the Zero Datum for
Classic Engine Mount Europas to be found?
Finally, I assume the nose wheel is supposed to point backwards towards the
tail when taking weight and distance measurements from station zero.
If there is an official documentation how to establish W&B for my configura
tion, I appreciate this.
Thank you.
Christoph Both
#223 Classic 912ULS
C-GPEL
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