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     1. 01:51 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Inst?= =?utf-8?Q?rument_Panel_Sub_Pane?= =?utf-8?Q?l_Setup..Runners=3F? (roddyeuropa@aol.com)
     2. 02:01 AM - =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEV1cm9wYS1MaXN0OiBJbnN0cnVtZW50IFBhbmVsIFN1YiBQYW5lbCBT?= =?utf-8?B?ZXR1cOKApi4uUnVubmVycz8g? (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
     3. 02:04 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Instrument_Panel_Sub_Panel_Setup?= =?utf-8?Q?..Runners=3F_? (Donald Cameron)
     4. 02:40 AM - Re: My Longest flight (goff)
     5. 03:06 AM - Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
     6. 03:09 AM - You have been warned .....(off topic) (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
     7. 06:55 AM - =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Instr?= =?windows-1252?Q?ument_Panel_Sub_Panel_Setup=85=2E=2ERunners=3F_? (Jeremy Fisher)
     8. 07:24 AM - Re: You have been warned .....(off topic) (Jeff B)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:51:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: f-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Inst?= =?utf-8?Q?rument_Panel_Sub_Pane?=
    =?utf-8?Q?l_Setup..Runners=3F?
    From: roddyeuropa@aol.com
    Hi Tony I installed a sub panel for the six standard instruments. The instruments w ere installed in a 3 mm aluminum plate, a hole cut to that size and the su b panel attached to the main panel by six countersunk machine screws. The s ub pane is installed flush with the main panel - I added a narrow fiberglas s backing strip, and the sub panel screws into anchor nuts - the type with the two holes for the pop rivets on the same side. Qutie a tight fit for a mono panel, but just about room. All the instruments have connectors - incl uding the pitot static, which means you can get the sub panel out in about 5 minutes. It has worked well. It makes it easier to take the main panel in and out as you have 1) a big hole through which you can work behind the pa nel and 2) when you take the panel in and out, quite a lot of the weight ha s already been removed. if I did it all again, 10 years on, I wouldn't be i nstalling gyro instruments, but would still go for a sub panel. Roddy Kesterton G-IKRK -----Original Message----- From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> Sent: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 1:24 Subject: Europa-List: Instrument Panel Sub Panel Setup..Runners? Gidday, I am interested in advice on what might be considered the best setup for th e instrument panel, in terms of ease of maintenance, removal etc. I am wonder ing if the main sub panel could be removable forward on runners, like drawer sliders? Big aircraft have these, as was my misfortune one day to realise w hen I grabbed the two foot rests D rings either side of the panel and pulled to g ive my shoulders a stretch, but little did I know that during maintenance the locking screws had not been actuated, and the whole panel came forward up t o the back of the control column! I looked at the other guy with shock, and just gently eased it back in place, hoping nothing had, or would disconnect in t he process. Yes, we were airborne! It left an indelible memory, but has inspir ed me as to whether such a setup could work on the Europa. This idea is borne out of imagining how unwieldy it might be with all the weight aft of the sub panel , to remove it forward easily, especially with plumbing a! ttached. Runners would make it a lot easier. If there is other options for these sub panels I'd appreciate knowing, or whether my anxieties are unfounded. Thanks in anticipation. Regards Tony Renshaw Sydney Aussie


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    Time: 02:01:07 AM PST US
    From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEV1cm9wYS1MaXN0OiBJbnN0cnVtZW50IFBhbmVsIFN1YiBQYW5lbCBT?=
    =?utf-8?B?ZXR1cOKApi4uUnVubmVycz8g? Tony=0Aexcellent idea to think about this. I've been working on an old Clas sic and several times wanted to check things =0Abehind the panel. Accessibi lity on a standard plans built Europa is a long way from being good. Factor y was so =0Astressed at design time that they laft all that to we builders and there were a few good ideas tried.=0AOne I haven't seen is a hinge at t he bootom of the panel.=0AMost important is to keep it light, early panel i nstallations with a lot of steam age stuff in them weighed anything =0Aup t o 40lbs!=0ADigital stuff has made it a lot easier and engine management sys tems ease the workload of single crew VFR.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0A y, 17 September 2013, 1:23=0ASubject: Europa-List: Instrument Panel Sub Pan ny Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0A=0AGidday,=0AI am interested in adv ice on what might be considered the best setup for the instrument panel, in terms of ease of maintenance, removal etc. I am wondering if the main sub panel could be removable forward on runners, like drawer sliders? Big aircr aft have these, as was my misfortune one day to realise when I grabbed the two foot rests D rings either side of the panel and pulled to give my shoul ders a stretch, but little did I know that during maintenance the locking s crews had not been actuated, and the whole panel came forward up to the bac k of the control column! I looked at the other guy with shock, and just gen tly eased it back in place, hoping nothing had, or would disconnect in the process. Yes, we were airborne! It left an indelible memory, but has inspir ed me as to whether such a setup could work on the Europa. This idea is bor ne out of imagining how unwieldy it might be with all the weight aft of the sub panel, to remove it forward easily, especially with plumbing a!=0Attached. Runners would make it a lot easier. =0AIf there is other options for these sub panels I'd appreciate knowing, or whether my anxieties are unfounded.=C2- Thanks in anticipation.=0ARega =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2 =================


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    Time: 02:04:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: f-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Instrument_Panel_Sub_Panel_Setup?= =?utf-8?Q?..Runners=3F_?
    From: Donald Cameron <fireflier@btinternet.com>
    Hi I went down the route of aluminium sub panels screwed into anchor nuts which were riveted onto a 15mm edge all the way around my panel cut outs. Below i s photo of my panel with the sub panels cut out and mounted, then another on e with the completed panel with instruments installed. This set up is very easy to remove if required for maintenance just undo sec uring screws and panel pulls out giving plenty of access to work in behind p anel. Kind regards Donald Sent from my iPhone On 17 Sep 2013, at 01:23, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote: > > Gidday, > I am interested in advice on what might be considered the best setup for t he instrument panel, in terms of ease of maintenance, removal etc. I am wond ering if the main sub panel could be removable forward on runners, like draw er sliders? Big aircraft have these, as was my misfortune one day to realise when I grabbed the two foot rests D rings either side of the panel and pull ed to give my shoulders a stretch, but little did I know that during mainten ance the locking screws had not been actuated, and the whole panel came forw ard up to the back of the control column! I looked at the other guy with sho ck, and just gently eased it back in place, hoping nothing had, or would dis connect in the process. Yes, we were airborne! It left an indelible memory, b ut has inspired me as to whether such a setup could work on the Europa. This idea is borne out of imagining how unwieldy it might be with all the weight aft of the sub panel, to remove it forward easily, especially with plumbing a! > ttached. Runners would make it a lot easier. > If there is other options for these sub panels I'd appreciate knowing, or w hether my anxieties are unfounded. Thanks in anticipation. > Regards > Tony Renshaw > Sydney Aussie > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > > > <pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier"> </b></font></pre></body></html>


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    Time: 02:40:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: My Longest flight
    From: "goff" <goffmoore@aviators.net>
    Great photos. Goff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408722#408722


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    Time: 03:06:11 AM PST US
    From: GRAHAM SINGLETON <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit
    Fred=0Alooking brilliant! Make sure you don't make my mistake and finish it when you're =0Atoo old (and unrich) to fly it!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____ ____________________________=0A From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com> =0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, 17 September 2013, 5:13 =0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit=0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 16, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Jeremy Fisher wrote:=0A=0AI had us ed Temperfoam with all 3 grades of hardness for the seat cushions, and I ha d repositioned the upper seatbelt attachment points to the upper fuselage j ust behind the canopy. -The original seatbelt point is below the pilot's shoulder level and well back, so that there is always some slack left, and it will increase the likelihood of spinal injury.=0A=0AJeremy...as you're n o doubt aware, the standard shoulder belt on the Europa is at or below shou lder height and is apt to contribute to spinal compression in a hard landin g. I've raised mine w/ a hinged riser as shown in the attached photos...I'v e stress-tested them to 15 Gs w/ no collapse or deformation...the hinge all ows for the normal "sitting on the raised seat back" method for entering an d exiting a XS mono...no change in shoulder belt attach point.=0A=0AThe las t photo shows my layers of blue and green Temperfoam, augmented w/ regular upholstery foam wedges...note the ends of the lumbar support visable at the seat back...backs are propped in place w/ blocks of pink styrofoam.=0A=0AF red


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    Time: 03:09:13 AM PST US
    From: "nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk" <nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk>
    Subject: You have been warned .....(off topic)
    ;-) Nigel


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    Time: 06:55:30 AM PST US
    From: Jeremy Fisher <jffisher@gmail.com>
    Subject: =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Instr?=
    =?windows-1252?Q?ument_Panel_Sub_Panel_Setup=85=2E=2ERunners=3F_? Graham, Do you mean like this? Photo is of my instrument panel ready for installations. Both sides are hinged, with 2 Camloc fasteners for each side; both are hinged, with one shown closed and the other open. Opening one takes 10 seconds. Jerry Fisher On Sep 17, 2013, at 5:00 AM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote: > Tony > excellent idea to think about this. I've been working on an old Classic and several times wanted to check things > behind the panel. Accessibility on a standard plans built Europa is a long way from being good. Factory was so > stressed at design time that they laft all that to we builders and there were a few good ideas tried. > One I haven't seen is a hinge at the bootom of the panel. > Most important is to keep it light, early panel installations with a lot of steam age stuff in them weighed anything > up to 40lbs! > Digital stuff has made it a lot easier and engine management systems ease the workload of single crew VFR. > Graham > > > From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> > To: "europa-list@matronics.com" <europa-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tuesday, 17 September 2013, 1:23 > Subject: Europa-List: Instrument Panel Sub Panel Setup=85..Runners? > <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> > > Gidday, > I am interested in advice on what might be considered the best setup for the instrument panel, in terms of ease of maintenance, removal etc. I am wondering if the main sub panel could be removable forward on runners, like drawer sliders? Big aircraft have these, as was my misfortune one day to realise when I grabbed the two foot rests D rings either side of the panel and pulled to give my shoulders a stretch, but little did I know that during maintenance the locking screws had not been actuated, and the whole panel came forward up to the back of the control column! I looked at the other guy with shock, and just gently eased it back in place, hoping nothing had, or would disconnect in the process. Yes, we were airborne! It left an indelible memory, but has inspired me as to whether such a setup could work on the Europa. This idea is borne out of imagining how unwieldy it might be with all the weight aft of the sub panel, to remove it forward easily, especially with plumbing a! > ttached. Runners would make it a lot easier. > If there is other options for these sub panels I'd appreciate knowing, or whether my anxieties are unfounded. Thanks in anticipation. > Regards > Tony Renshaw > Sydney Aussie > > > > ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List" target="_blank">htronics.com/" = --> > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:24:09 AM PST US
    From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: You have been warned .....(off topic)
    "Classic" Nigel. Thanks for sharing. :) Do not archive. Jeff - Baby Blue On 9/17/2013 5:08 AM, nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote: > ;-) > > Nigel




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