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1. 01:51 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Inst?= =?utf-8?Q?rument_Panel_Sub_Pane?= =?utf-8?Q?l_Setup..Runners=3F? (roddyeuropa@aol.com)
2. 02:01 AM - =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEV1cm9wYS1MaXN0OiBJbnN0cnVtZW50IFBhbmVsIFN1YiBQYW5lbCBT?= =?utf-8?B?ZXR1cOKApi4uUnVubmVycz8g? (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
3. 02:04 AM - =?utf-8?Q?Re:__Instrument_Panel_Sub_Panel_Setup?= =?utf-8?Q?..Runners=3F_? (Donald Cameron)
4. 02:40 AM - Re: My Longest flight (goff)
5. 03:06 AM - Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
6. 03:09 AM - You have been warned .....(off topic) (nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk)
7. 06:55 AM - =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Instr?= =?windows-1252?Q?ument_Panel_Sub_Panel_Setup=85=2E=2ERunners=3F_? (Jeremy Fisher)
8. 07:24 AM - Re: You have been warned .....(off topic) (Jeff B)
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Subject: | Re: f-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Inst?= =?utf-8?Q?rument_Panel_Sub_Pane?= |
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Hi Tony
I installed a sub panel for the six standard instruments. The instruments w
ere installed in a 3 mm aluminum plate, a hole cut to that size and the su
b panel attached to the main panel by six countersunk machine screws. The s
ub pane is installed flush with the main panel - I added a narrow fiberglas
s backing strip, and the sub panel screws into anchor nuts - the type with
the two holes for the pop rivets on the same side. Qutie a tight fit for a
mono panel, but just about room. All the instruments have connectors - incl
uding the pitot static, which means you can get the sub panel out in about
5 minutes. It has worked well. It makes it easier to take the main panel in
and out as you have 1) a big hole through which you can work behind the pa
nel and 2) when you take the panel in and out, quite a lot of the weight ha
s already been removed. if I did it all again, 10 years on, I wouldn't be i
nstalling gyro instruments, but would still go for a sub panel.
Roddy Kesterton
G-IKRK
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, 17 Sep 2013 1:24
Subject: Europa-List: Instrument Panel Sub Panel Setup..Runners?
Gidday,
I am interested in advice on what might be considered the best setup for th
e
instrument panel, in terms of ease of maintenance, removal etc. I am wonder
ing
if the main sub panel could be removable forward on runners, like drawer
sliders? Big aircraft have these, as was my misfortune one day to realise w
hen I
grabbed the two foot rests D rings either side of the panel and pulled to g
ive
my shoulders a stretch, but little did I know that during maintenance the
locking screws had not been actuated, and the whole panel came forward up t
o the
back of the control column! I looked at the other guy with shock, and just
gently eased it back in place, hoping nothing had, or would disconnect in t
he
process. Yes, we were airborne! It left an indelible memory, but has inspir
ed me
as to whether such a setup could work on the Europa. This idea is borne out
of
imagining how unwieldy it might be with all the weight aft of the sub panel
, to
remove it forward easily, especially with plumbing a!
ttached. Runners would make it a lot easier.
If there is other options for these sub panels I'd appreciate knowing, or
whether my anxieties are unfounded. Thanks in anticipation.
Regards
Tony Renshaw
Sydney Aussie
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Subject: | =?utf-8?B?UmU6IEV1cm9wYS1MaXN0OiBJbnN0cnVtZW50IFBhbmVsIFN1YiBQYW5lbCBT?= |
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Tony=0Aexcellent idea to think about this. I've been working on an old Clas
sic and several times wanted to check things =0Abehind the panel. Accessibi
lity on a standard plans built Europa is a long way from being good. Factor
y was so =0Astressed at design time that they laft all that to we builders
and there were a few good ideas tried.=0AOne I haven't seen is a hinge at t
he bootom of the panel.=0AMost important is to keep it light, early panel i
nstallations with a lot of steam age stuff in them weighed anything =0Aup t
o 40lbs!=0ADigital stuff has made it a lot easier and engine management sys
tems ease the workload of single crew VFR.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________
_______________________=0A From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0A
y, 17 September 2013, 1:23=0ASubject: Europa-List: Instrument Panel Sub Pan
ny Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>=0A=0AGidday,=0AI am interested in adv
ice on what might be considered the best setup for the instrument panel, in
terms of ease of maintenance, removal etc. I am wondering if the main sub
panel could be removable forward on runners, like drawer sliders? Big aircr
aft have these, as was my misfortune one day to realise when I grabbed the
two foot rests D rings either side of the panel and pulled to give my shoul
ders a stretch, but little did I know that during maintenance the locking s
crews had not been actuated, and the whole panel came forward up to the bac
k of the control column! I looked at the other guy with shock, and just gen
tly eased it back in place, hoping nothing had, or would disconnect in the
process. Yes, we were airborne! It left an indelible memory, but has inspir
ed me as to whether such a setup could work on the Europa. This idea is bor
ne out of imagining how unwieldy it might be with all the weight aft of the
sub panel, to remove it forward easily,
especially with plumbing a!=0Attached. Runners would make it a lot easier.
=0AIf there is other options for these sub panels I'd appreciate knowing,
or whether my anxieties are unfounded.=C2- Thanks in anticipation.=0ARega
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2
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Subject: | Re: f-8?Q?Re:_Europa-List:_Instrument_Panel_Sub_Panel_Setup?= =?utf-8?Q?..Runners=3F_? |
Hi
I went down the route of aluminium sub panels screwed into anchor nuts which
were riveted onto a 15mm edge all the way around my panel cut outs. Below i
s photo of my panel with the sub panels cut out and mounted, then another on
e with the completed panel with instruments installed.
This set up is very easy to remove if required for maintenance just undo sec
uring screws and panel pulls out giving plenty of access to work in behind p
anel.
Kind regards
Donald
Sent from my iPhone
On 17 Sep 2013, at 01:23, Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Gidday,
> I am interested in advice on what might be considered the best setup for t
he instrument panel, in terms of ease of maintenance, removal etc. I am wond
ering if the main sub panel could be removable forward on runners, like draw
er sliders? Big aircraft have these, as was my misfortune one day to realise
when I grabbed the two foot rests D rings either side of the panel and pull
ed to give my shoulders a stretch, but little did I know that during mainten
ance the locking screws had not been actuated, and the whole panel came forw
ard up to the back of the control column! I looked at the other guy with sho
ck, and just gently eased it back in place, hoping nothing had, or would dis
connect in the process. Yes, we were airborne! It left an indelible memory, b
ut has inspired me as to whether such a setup could work on the Europa. This
idea is borne out of imagining how unwieldy it might be with all the weight
aft of the sub panel, to remove it forward easily, especially with plumbing
a!
> ttached. Runners would make it a lot easier.
> If there is other options for these sub panels I'd appreciate knowing, or w
hether my anxieties are unfounded. Thanks in anticipation.
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Aussie
>
>
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Subject: | Re: My Longest flight |
Great photos.
Goff
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408722#408722
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Subject: | Re: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit |
Fred=0Alooking brilliant! Make sure you don't make my mistake and finish it
when you're =0Atoo old (and unrich) to fly it!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____
____________________________=0A From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
=0ATo: europa-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, 17 September 2013, 5:13
=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: europa-List: Re: Factory upholstery kit=0A =0A
=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sep 16, 2013, at 7:41 PM, Jeremy Fisher wrote:=0A=0AI had us
ed Temperfoam with all 3 grades of hardness for the seat cushions, and I ha
d repositioned the upper seatbelt attachment points to the upper fuselage j
ust behind the canopy. -The original seatbelt point is below the pilot's
shoulder level and well back, so that there is always some slack left, and
it will increase the likelihood of spinal injury.=0A=0AJeremy...as you're n
o doubt aware, the standard shoulder belt on the Europa is at or below shou
lder height and is apt to contribute to spinal compression in a hard landin
g. I've raised mine w/ a hinged riser as shown in the attached photos...I'v
e stress-tested them to 15 Gs w/ no collapse or deformation...the hinge all
ows for the normal "sitting on the raised seat back" method for entering an
d exiting a XS mono...no change in shoulder belt attach point.=0A=0AThe las
t photo shows my layers of blue and green Temperfoam, augmented w/ regular
upholstery foam wedges...note the ends of the lumbar support visable at the
seat back...backs are propped in place w/ blocks of pink styrofoam.=0A=0AF
red
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Subject: | You have been warned .....(off topic) |
;-)
Nigel
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Subject: | =?windows-1252?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Instr?= |
=?windows-1252?Q?ument_Panel_Sub_Panel_Setup=85=2E=2ERunners=3F_?
Graham,
Do you mean like this? Photo is of my instrument panel ready for
installations. Both sides are hinged, with 2 Camloc fasteners for each
side; both are hinged, with one shown closed and the other open.
Opening one takes 10 seconds.
Jerry Fisher
On Sep 17, 2013, at 5:00 AM, GRAHAM SINGLETON wrote:
> Tony
> excellent idea to think about this. I've been working on an old
Classic and several times wanted to check things
> behind the panel. Accessibility on a standard plans built Europa is a
long way from being good. Factory was so
> stressed at design time that they laft all that to we builders and
there were a few good ideas tried.
> One I haven't seen is a hinge at the bootom of the panel.
> Most important is to keep it light, early panel installations with a
lot of steam age stuff in them weighed anything
> up to 40lbs!
> Digital stuff has made it a lot easier and engine management systems
ease the workload of single crew VFR.
> Graham
>
>
> From: Tony Renshaw <tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
> To: "europa-list@matronics.com" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 17 September 2013, 1:23
> Subject: Europa-List: Instrument Panel Sub Panel Setup=85..Runners?
>
<tonyrenshaw268@gmail.com>
>
> Gidday,
> I am interested in advice on what might be considered the best setup
for the instrument panel, in terms of ease of maintenance, removal etc.
I am wondering if the main sub panel could be removable forward on
runners, like drawer sliders? Big aircraft have these, as was my
misfortune one day to realise when I grabbed the two foot rests D rings
either side of the panel and pulled to give my shoulders a stretch, but
little did I know that during maintenance the locking screws had not
been actuated, and the whole panel came forward up to the back of the
control column! I looked at the other guy with shock, and just gently
eased it back in place, hoping nothing had, or would disconnect in the
process. Yes, we were airborne! It left an indelible memory, but has
inspired me as to whether such a setup could work on the Europa. This
idea is borne out of imagining how unwieldy it might be with all the
weight aft of the sub panel, to remove it forward easily, especially
with plumbing a!
> ttached. Runners would make it a lot easier.
> If there is other options for these sub panels I'd appreciate knowing,
or whether my anxieties are unfounded. Thanks in anticipation.
> Regards
> Tony Renshaw
> Sydney Aussie
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Subject: | Re: You have been warned .....(off topic) |
"Classic" Nigel. Thanks for sharing. :)
Do not archive.
Jeff - Baby Blue
On 9/17/2013 5:08 AM, nigel_graham@m-tecque.co.uk wrote:
> ;-)
>
> Nigel
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