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1. 02:38 AM - Recommend LFSM Montbeliard-Courcelles and Swiss Info (John Wighton)
2. 12:01 PM - Spar won't come off the socket!! (Andrew Sarangan)
3. 12:17 PM - Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! (Alan Burrill)
4. 12:26 PM - Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! (Tim Ward)
5. 12:39 PM - Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! (Pete)
6. 01:19 PM - Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! (Karl Heindl)
7. 01:26 PM - Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
8. 02:07 PM - Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! (K BURNS)
9. 02:10 PM - Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! (Andrew Sarangan)
10. 02:36 PM - Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! (GRAHAM SINGLETON)
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| Subject: | Recommend LFSM Montbeliard-Courcelles and Swiss Info |
Flew UK to Switzerland a few weeks ago, caught that nice week of clear weather
at the start of Sept. Tried to get back after a week but got blocked out by bad
WX in France. I backtracked and ended up in LFSM (partly because it has a
TGV station to get me back to work in Switzerland). A group of enthusiasts fly
a Dassault 312 from there and l was fortunate enough to meet up with them, lovely
people put GIPOD in the hangar (turned out to be 2 weeks stay), charged
me nothing at all. Just shows there are still nice people in this world. This
would be an excellent place to stop over as part of a Euro tour.
Flying in the Alps was educational, Frans noted the fine view from FL115, which
is true, but the valley flying is challenging, flying amongst 6k to 10k peaks,
no horizon reference. I can recommend Switzerland generally but keep away from
Buochs (ironically my local airfield as l live and work within its extended
boundaries), particularly anal even for Switzerland and refused me re-entry
for a weather diversion (there have been 6 recent fatalities at nearby Kagiswil
when pilots could possibly have diverted to Buochs but maybe (speculation) thought
they would be refused). I am taking that one up with FOCA.
Recommend entry/exit via Grenchen, charged 20 approx for landing, customs and Police
(needed when planning direct to UK).
Military zones near Bern need checking as the airspace seems to close for GA regularly.
There are a couple of Europa projects on the go, l met Albert Buess who
is nearing flight test.
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John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=408974#408974
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| Subject: | Spar won't come off the socket!! |
I am hoping someone will have a great idea to solve this problem. I just
finished gluing the spar sockets, but I am unable to withdraw the port spar
out of the starboard socket. I was able to get the bolts out quite
easily. It also doesn't look like the spar got glued to anything, because I
am able to rotate the spar, and wiggle it just but it won't slide out of
the socket. What I suspect is that some flox might have oozed into
the inside face of the socket which and might be preventing the bushing
from sliding out. I greased everything, but did not grease the inside faces
of the sockets. If all fails I was going to cut the outer face of the
socket to extract the spar. Perhaps I could reglue that face back in place.
Any ideas would be appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! |
Is there enough clearance to slide a knife blade between the spar and socket
? If you sight down the pin hole when you do it you might just be able to se
e what the problem is an maybe even cut through it!
Alan
Sent from my iPad
> On 22 Sep 2013, at 19:54, Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I am hoping someone will have a great idea to solve this problem. I just f
inished gluing the spar sockets, but I am unable to withdraw the port spar o
ut of the starboard socket. I was able to get the bolts out quite easily. It
also doesn't look like the spar got glued to anything, because I am able to
rotate the spar, and wiggle it just but it won't slide out of the socket. W
hat I suspect is that some flox might have oozed into the inside face of the
socket which and might be preventing the bushing from sliding out. I grease
d everything, but did not grease the inside faces of the sockets. If all fa
ils I was going to cut the outer face of the socket to extract the spar. Per
haps I could reglue that face back in place. Any ideas would be appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! |
Andrew,
Try heating the spar socket to allow the spar to be released. You may have t
o redo the setting.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch, 8052
New Zealand.
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
Ph 64 3 3515166
Mob 0210640221
> On 23/09/2013, at 6:54 am, Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I am hoping someone will have a great idea to solve this problem. I just f
inished gluing the spar sockets, but I am unable to withdraw the port spar o
ut of the starboard socket. I was able to get the bolts out quite easily. It
also doesn't look like the spar got glued to anything, because I am able to
rotate the spar, and wiggle it just but it won't slide out of the socket. W
hat I suspect is that some flox might have oozed into the inside face of the
socket which and might be preventing the bushing from sliding out. I grease
d everything, but did not grease the inside faces of the sockets. If all fa
ils I was going to cut the outer face of the socket to extract the spar. Per
haps I could reglue that face back in place. Any ideas would be appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! |
Along the same lines, how about a thin gauge SS safety wire ( if it was the s
ide face that is glued )
-Pete
A239
> On Sep 22, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote:
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> Is there enough clearance to slide a knife blade between the spar and sock
et? If you sight down the pin hole when you do it you might just be able to s
ee what the problem is an maybe even cut through it!
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> Alan
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inished gluing the spar sockets, but I am unable to withdraw the port spar o
ut of the starboard socket. I was able to get the bolts out quite easily. It
also doesn't look like the spar got glued to anything, because I am able to
rotate the spar, and wiggle it just but it won't slide out of the socket. W
hat I suspect is that some flox might have oozed into the inside face of the
socket which and might be preventing the bushing from sliding out. I grease
d everything, but did not grease the inside faces of the sockets. If all fa
ils I was going to cut the outer face of the socket to extract the spar. Per
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| Subject: | Spar won't come off the socket!! |
I would use heat. A hairdryer aimed at the socket for a few minutes=2C and
get someone else to pull on the wing.Karl
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Spar won't come off the socket!!
From: peterz@zutrasoft.com
Along the same lines=2C how about a thin gauge SS safety wire ( if it was t
he side face that is glued )-Pete A239
On Sep 22=2C 2013=2C at 3:17 PM=2C Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote:
Is there enough clearance to slide a knife blade between the spar and socke
t? If you sight down the pin hole when you do it you might just be able to
see what the problem is an maybe even cut through it!
Alan
Sent from my iPad
On 22 Sep 2013=2C at 19:54=2C Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com> wrote:
I am hoping someone will have a great idea to solve this problem. I just fi
nished gluing the spar sockets=2C but I am unable to withdraw the port spar
out of the starboard socket. I was able to get the bolts out quite easily.
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| Subject: | Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! |
Redux will soften at moderate temps, I'd try that. Heat the socket on the o
uter surface, =0Aquickly and quite hot, Heat the pin socket too,then give w
ing a strong pull.=0AIf you can get a wooden spar to lever between fuselage
and wing root rib with wooden=0Apads to spread the loads that would be the
way to break the stuck part.=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________________
__________=0A From: Tim Ward <ward.t@xtra.co.nz>=0ATo: "europa-list@matroni
cs.com" <europa-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, 22 September 2013, 20:
24=0ASubject: Re: Europa-List: Spar won't come off the socket!!=0A =0A=0A
=0AAndrew,=0ATry heating the spar socket to allow the spar to be released.
You may have to redo the setting.=0ACheers,=0ATim=0A=0ATim Ward=0A12 Waiwet
u Street=0AFendalton,=0AChristchurch, -8052=0ANew Zealand.=0A=0Award.t@xt
ra.co.nz=0A=0APh 64 3 3515166=0AMob 0210640221=0A=0A=0AOn 23/09/2013, at 6:
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. I greased everything, but did not grease the inside faces of the sockets.
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| Subject: | Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! |
Andrew,=0AI concur that heat will soften the bond, but a paint stripping ho
t air/ heat gun is probably-the tool for this job, but would recommend yo
u practice on some uncured scraps of fiberglass first ,apply the heat and y
ou can see that the resin will soften enough to peel the layers of glass ap
art,-also protect your spar around the socket, wet towels or similar.. yo
u can set up-a temperature probe on the spar if you want to be sure you d
o not ruin it...=0A-=0ATo set some limits to help you prevent damage to w
ing / spar or surrounding areas ,some guide temps used for post hardening 5
0 degrees centigrade for areas near blue foam.... 80 degrees for areas wher
e no blue foam ,while piece is fully supported (as parts will deform)-is
used to heat soak-composite over 18 hour period.=0A-=0ABy testing with
a piece of steel on a glass fibre scrap..or flox and resin scrap you will e
stablish how long you need to apply the heat to the socket to allow you to
pull the wings apart.=0A-=0AGood Luck !=0A-=0AKevin=0A-=0A-=0A =0A
=0A________________________________=0A From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gma
il.com>=0ATo: Europa List <europa-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, 22 S
eptember 2013, 19:54=0ASubject: Europa-List: Spar won't come off the socket
!!=0A =0A=0A=0AI am hoping someone will have a great idea to solve this pr
oblem. I just finished gluing the spar sockets, but-I am-unable to with
draw the port spar out of the starboard socket. I-was able to get the bol
ts-out quite easily.-It also doesn't look like the spar got glued to an
ything, because I am able to rotate the-spar, and wiggle it just but it w
on't slide out of the socket. What I suspect is that some flox might have
-oozed into the-inside face-of the socket which and might be preventi
ng the bushing from sliding out. I greased everything, but did not grease t
he inside faces of the sockets.--If all fails I was going-to cut the
outer face of the socket to extract the spar. Perhaps I could reglue that f
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| Subject: | Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! |
Thanks to everyone who responded. It seems the problem was I had
overestimated my upper body strength :-) I was trying to pry the wings
apart by pushing on each wing root. Instead, I inserted a bottle jack
horizontally with a long 2x4, and I was able to pry the two wings
apart There was indeed some epoxy around the bushing. It was not much,
but I guess it was enough to cause a significant resistance.
On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:
> Along the same lines, how about a thin gauge SS safety wire ( if it was
> the side face that is glued )
> -Pete
> A239
>
> On Sep 22, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Is there enough clearance to slide a knife blade between the spar and
> socket? If you sight down the pin hole when you do it you might just be
> able to see what the problem is an maybe even cut through it!
>
> Alan
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 22 Sep 2013, at 19:54, Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I am hoping someone will have a great idea to solve this problem. I just
> finished gluing the spar sockets, but I am unable to withdraw the port spar
> out of the starboard socket. I was able to get the bolts out quite
> easily. It also doesn't look like the spar got glued to anything, because I
> am able to rotate the spar, and wiggle it just but it won't slide out of
> the socket. What I suspect is that some flox might have oozed into
> the inside face of the socket which and might be preventing the bushing
> from sliding out. I greased everything, but did not grease the inside faces
> of the sockets. If all fails I was going to cut the outer face of the
> socket to extract the spar. Perhaps I could reglue that face back in place.
> Any ideas would be appreciated.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Spar won't come off the socket!! |
Great news Andrew!=0AGraham=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________
=0A From: Andrew Sarangan <asarangan@gmail.com>=0ATo: Europa List <europa-l
ist@matronics.com> =0ASent: Sunday, 22 September 2013, 22:09=0ASubject: Re:
Europa-List: Spar won't come off the socket!!=0A =0A=0A=0AThanks-to ever
yone who responded. It seems the problem-was I had overestimated-my upp
er-body strength :-) I was trying to pry the wings apart by pushing on ea
ch wing root. Instead, I inserted a bottle jack horizontally with a long 2x
4, and I was able to pry the two wings apart-There was indeed some epoxy
around the bushing. It was not much, but-I guess it-was enough to cause
a significant resistance. =0A-=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:37 P
M, Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com> wrote:=0A=0AAlong the same lines, how about
a thin gauge SS safety wire ( if it was the side face that is glued )-Pete
-=0A>A239=0A>=0A>On Sep 22, 2013, at 3:17 PM, Alan Burrill <alanb@dpy01.c
o.uk> wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>Is there enough clearance to slide a knife blade be
tween the spar and socket? If you sight down the pin hole when you do it yo
u might just be able to see what the problem is an maybe even cut through i
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ping someone will have a great idea to solve this problem. I just finished
gluing the spar sockets, but-I am-unable to withdraw the port spar out
of the starboard socket. I-was able to get the bolts-out quite easily.
-It also doesn't look like the spar got glued to anything, because I am a
ble to rotate the-spar, and wiggle it just but it won't slide out of the
socket. What I suspect is that some flox might have-oozed into the-insi
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