---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/23/13: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:48 AM - Re: (Raimo Toivio) 2. 11:20 AM - Rotax 914 CHT probes (Tony Renshaw) 3. 11:49 AM - Re: Rotax 914 CHT probes (GTH) 4. 01:06 PM - Re: Rotax 914 CHT probes (Bob Harrison) 5. 01:11 PM - Re: (Frans Veldman) 6. 02:07 PM - Re: (James Kelly) 7. 02:18 PM - Sealing the Windscreen and Side Windows (Jeremy Fisher) 8. 02:55 PM - fin ribs too long (Rowland Carson) 9. 03:32 PM - Re: fin ribs too long (Donald Cameron) 10. 03:37 PM - Re: fin ribs too long (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:52 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Frans & Ilona; Thanks for sharing. The Alps are really beautiful =93 so far we have looked them only from the ground by walk, train or car. We wish you will give us some current mountain flight training =93 you will get from us some basics for remote flying. Coming back! Also shoreless seas are beautiful like Baltic Sea or how do you like? This one is @ FL80. How about windmills - aren=C2=B4t they like The Beasts from The Revelation? BTW did you know that you have a nice night club in Tampere? Ilona & Villisika. Maybe you wonder what means =9CVillisika=9D ? A direct translation is =9CA Wildpig=9D. You are maybe Ilona=C2=B4s very private Villisika ;) Marke has started her Helicopter lessons and managed to levitate R44 instantly. They claim that=C2=B4s a rare wonder. Marke & Raimo From: Frans Veldman Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:34 PM Subject: Europa-List: @Raimo: The Alps are beautiful @FL115! Today we went to Croatia. Probably our last "longer" trip this year. Just wanted to share. Frans & Ilona -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:20:26 AM PST US From: Tony Renshaw Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 914 CHT probes > > Gidday, Can someone please remind me of the CHT sensing options for the Rotax 914? I know under spark plug sensors can be used, but that it can effect spark plu g torque, so I am interested in whether there is a port on a cylinder etc th at can be used accurately, or whether water temperature is the better method of monitoring engine temperature health. Thanks in anticipation. Regards Tony Renshaw ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:42 AM PST US From: GTH Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 914 CHT probes Tony Renshaw a crit : >> >> Gidday, > Can someone please remind me of the CHT sensing options for the Rotax > 914? I know under spark plug sensors can be used, but that it can > effect spark plug torque, so I am interested in whether there is a > port on a cylinder etc that can be used accurately, or whether water > temperature is the better method of monitoring engine temperature > health. Thanks in anticipation. G'day Tony, The 914 comes with two CHT sensors, one on the front left head, the other on the rear right head. You just connect one of those to your gage. Everything is the installation manual. Naturally, since all the temps limits in the manual are CHT temps, those are the temps you need to monitor. FWIW, Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:58 PM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 914 CHT probes Hi! Tony . There is a position to the side of the rocker box which is dry ( no coolant and no oil to receive the sensor which is not unlike a little cylindrical sensor definitely NOT an under plug sensor .) On the 914 it is also vital to have a water flow temperature sensor in the coolant =9Cmanifold=9D pipe passing down the rear of the engine bay to the radiator.. It is no good sensing the coolant temperature anywhere else it won=99t be reliable. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tony Renshaw Sent: 23 September 2013 19:20 Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 914 CHT probes Gidday, Can someone please remind me of the CHT sensing options for the Rotax 914? I know under spark plug sensors can be used, but that it can effect spark plug torque, so I am interested in whether there is a port on a cylinder etc that can be used accurately, or whether water temperature is the better method of monitoring engine temperature health. Thanks in anticipation. Regards Tony Renshaw 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: From: Frans Veldman Raimo Toivio wrote: >Frans & Ilona; > >Thanks for sharing=2E The Alps are really beautiful =93 so far we have >look ed them only from the ground by walk, train or car=2E We wish you >will giv e us some current mountain flight training Better ask a local; we are no e xperts, but managed so far to stay alive=2E We are very cautious and only f ly in or above the Alps if the weather is stable=2E We took a lesson here a nd learned some basics in mountain flying=2E A good book is the book about mountain flying from Fletcher Anderson=2E Read that and you know enough to understand your limits=2E =93 you will get from >us some basics f or remote flying=2E That would be great! Coming back! Also shoreless se as are >beautiful like Baltic Sea or how do you like? This one is @ FL80 =2E How >about windmills - aren=C2=B4t they like The Beasts from The Revela tion? Great pictures! Especially the windmills=2E >BTW did you know that you have a nice night club in Tampere? Ilona & >Villisika=2E Maybe you won der what means =9CVillisika=9D ? A direct >translation is =9CA Wildpig=9D=2E Oh I can solve this mystery for you: see the a ttached picture I made today here at the beach in Losignje in Croatia=2E We took the wine with us but forgot the glasses=2E Anyway it shows the connec tion between wild pigs and Ilona=2E >Marke has started her Helicopter les sons and managed to levitate R44 >instantly=2E I thought she was about to solo in a fixed wing airplane? Frans >Marke & Raimo > >From: Frans Vel dman >Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:34 PM >To: Europa-list@matroni cs=2Ecom >Subject: Europa-List: > >@Raimo: The Alps are beautiful @FL115! Today we went to Croatia=2E >Probably our last "longer" trip this year=2E Just wanted to share=2E >Frans & Ilona -- Sent from my Android phone wi th K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: From: James Kelly Hello Europa fliers, What's the best method to fill up your tanks ? Jimmy On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Frans Veldman wrot e: > > > Raimo Toivio wrote: > >> Frans & Ilona; >> >> Thanks for sharing. The Alps are really beautiful ' so far we have >> looked them only from the ground by walk, train or car. We wish you >> will give us some current mountain flight training > > > Better ask a local; we are no experts, but managed so far to stay alive. We are very cautious and only fly in or above the Alps if the weather is st able. We took a lesson here and learned some basics in mountain flying. > A good book is the book about mountain flying from Fletcher Anderson. Rea d that and you know enough to understand your limits. > > ' you will get from > >> us some basics for remote flying. > > > That would be great! > > Coming back! Also shoreless seas are > >> beautiful like Baltic Sea or how do you like? This one is @ FL80. How >> about windmills - aren=B4t they like The Beasts from The Revelation? > > > Great pictures! Especially the windmills. > > BTW did you know that you have a nice night club in Tampere? Ilona & >> Villisika. Maybe you wonder what means =93Villisika=94 ? A direct >> translation is =93A Wildpig=94. > > > Oh I can solve this mystery for you: see the attached picture I made toda y here at the beach in Losignje in Croatia. We took the wine with us but fo rgot the glasses. Anyway it shows the connection between wild pigs and Ilon a. > > Marke has started her Helicopter lessons and managed to levitate R44 >> instantly. > > > I thought she was about to solo in a fixed wing airplane? > > Frans > > > Marke & Raimo >> >> From: Frans Veldman >> Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 11:34 PM >> To: Europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: >> >> @Raimo: The Alps are beautiful @FL115! Today we went to Croatia. >> Probably our last "longer" trip this year. Just wanted to share. >> Frans & Ilona > > > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:20 PM PST US From: Jeremy Fisher Subject: Europa-List: Sealing the Windscreen and Side Windows I have glued my Europa side windows into the doors, as per the manual. However I do not see any mention of filling and sealing the joint between the window and the door frame. When I built my Lancair, we had a similar technique, but then filled the gap and put a strip of 2 bid over the frame and about the first 3/8 inch of the transparency. It is a lot of work, when you include all of the filling and painting. What has everyone else done? Is it not necessary to use a glass fiber strip to lock the transparency in? I would appreciate anyone's experience. Thanks. Jerry Fisher ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:31 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Europa-List: fin ribs too long My fin ribs (F20, F21, F22) all appear to be too long to fit in the positions called out in the manual. What's wrong? Can I fit them a bit lower? F20 (the bottom one) will need to have its nose cut off to butt against the rear bulkhead - is it OK to do that? in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: fin ribs too long From: Donald Cameron Hi >From the europa club website CBM known corrections page gives dimensions as 4, 13 & 22 inches. These seemed to be correct when I installed my ribs last month. The front of the bottom rib has to be trimmed to fit against the rear bulkhead. Kind regards Donald Sent from my iPhone On 23 Sep 2013, at 22:55, Rowland Carson wrote: > > My fin ribs (F20, F21, F22) all appear to be too long to fit in the positions called out in the manual. What's wrong? Can I fit them a bit lower? F20 (the bottom one) will need to have its nose cut off to butt against the rear bulkhead - is it OK to do that? > > in friendship > > Rowland > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: fin ribs too long From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Hi Rowland The fit of my fin ribs was awful no matter what position I put them in. Resolve for perfect fit: http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=35521 Side note, I have XS wings and fitting top panel found ribs were a very poor fit, resolve similar to fin resolve: http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=37044 Ron Parigoris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.