---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/26/13: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:02 AM - Re: No Title (Roland) 2. 04:51 AM - Re: fin ribs too long (Rowland Carson) 3. 05:10 AM - Re: Bliss (goff) 4. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: No Title (Paul McAllister) 5. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: No Title (Jeff B) 6. 08:45 AM - Re: Re: No Title (Raimo Toivio) 7. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: No Title (Raimo Toivio) 8. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: No Title (Bob Harrison) 9. 02:52 PM - Changing capacitance probes to float sensors. (dpark) 10. 03:31 PM - AVRO Lancaster, off topic but still good. (Robert Borger) 11. 04:00 PM - Mag drop (Karl Heindl) 12. 07:16 PM - Re: Mag drop (Bob Harrison) 13. 10:22 PM - Re: Mag drop (Carl Pattinson) 14. 10:28 PM - Re: No Title (Roland) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:30 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: No Title From: "Roland" "We wish you will give us some current mountain flight training" Sorry Raimo, no membership in the high altitude club for non turbos ;-) Congrats to Marke for her superb R 44 handling skills - what I have heard is, that the R 44 handling is not too easy. Best wishes Roland PH-ZTI XS Trigear 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409255#409255 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: fin ribs too long From: Rowland Carson On 23 Sep 2013, at 23:32, Donald Cameron wrote: >> From the europa club website CBM known corrections page gives dimensions as 4, 13 & 22 inches. > > These seemed to be correct when I installed my ribs last month. The front of the bottom rib has to be trimmed to fit against the rear bulkhead. Donald - thanks for that - I wasn't aware of that corrections page. The new numbers sound much more reasonable. in friendship Rowland | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... | http://www.rowlandcarson.org.uk | Skype, Twitter: rowland_carson Facebook: Rowland Carson | pictures: http://picasaweb.google.com/rowlandcarson ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:50 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Bliss From: "goff" Carl, Yes I do have the HD original. It's even better than the YouTube posting, which degrades the original a bit. Bob, I'm not sure what you mean by image shake. Do you mean vibration from the prop and the fuselage? The GroPro is mounted to the cabin roof, just aft of the seats. I don't think it has built in image stabilising software, so it must be my smooth flying!! If you mean the absence of prop strobing, that's down to a little neutral density filter popped inside the GoPro case in front of the lens. I cut a piece the size and shape of a one euro coin from a sheet of theatrical lighting filter acetate. Works wonders. Goff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409259#409259 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: No Title From: Paul McAllister I took some rotary wing lessons in an R22. It was a bit like skipping over a rope, patting my head with one arm and patting my tummy with the other while winking with one eye and singing at the same time. Oh, and the best part was that it was tearing $100 bills and tossing them out of the window while I was doing it. Kudos to Marke !! do not archive On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Roland wrote: > > > Congrats to Marke for her superb R 44 handling skills - what I have heard > is, that the R 44 handling is not too easy. > > Best wishes > Roland > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:19 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: No Title New community college opened in our city, offers rotory wing lessons as one of their curriculum. One kid was complaining about the $30k cost, per semester (includes everything - 4 semesters required). I told him he was luck to be able to get his ticket that cheap. He gave me a funny look, then I told him what the typical cost was... :) Rman On 9/26/2013 10:12 AM, Paul McAllister wrote: > I took some rotary wing lessons in an R22. It was a bit like skipping > over a rope, patting my head with one arm and patting my tummy with the > other while winking with one eye and singing at the same time. > > Oh, and the best part was that it was tearing $100 bills and tossing > them out of the window while I was doing it. > > Kudos to Marke !! > > do not archive > > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Roland > wrote: > > > > > > Congrats to Marke for her superb R 44 handling skills - what I have > heard is, that the R 44 handling is not too easy. > > Best wishes > Roland > > > * > > > * > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:21 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: No Title Hi Roland, what=B4s a minimum altitude which make sense when overflying The Alps? We feel comfortable to the FL 80 and have tested our poor non-turbo to the FL 170 (awful). She was still bravely climbing 100 ft/minute but I was finished. It is well flyable say to the FL 100-120 but I hate it is not so stable platform there any more. ******* OK, Roland, maybe no membership for us in the High Alt Club (HAC) but how is your membership in Mile High Club (MHC) ? I have to say we confirmed our old but trusty membership couple of times in the back cabin in our very privat AN-2 during the summers 2012 and 2013. Ask me nice maybe we can rent it for you but you have to find your company by yourself, because my wife will be sitting in the cockpit with me then (it is mandatory today to have a two people crew during AN-2 operations). Can you Roland handle this ? ******* You are right - I managed to keep it (R44) in control say 10 to 20 seconds until it started to oscillate wildly. Schweitzer three seater was a lot easier even to me, but Rotorway Exec is a real nightmare - like sitting on the hard boiled egg - max 3 seconds and upsidedown it went. EC-135 is lovely but it=B4s pure and full anhuman computer stabilized. Marke sends you warm wishes - me too! See you... Raimo OH-XRT 912S non-turbo (how about -----Alkuper=E4inen viesti----- From: Roland Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 1:01 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: No Title "We wish you will give us some current mountain flight training" Sorry Raimo, no membership in the high altitude club for non turbos ;-) Congrats to Marke for her superb R 44 handling skills - what I have heard is, that the R 44 handling is not too easy. Best wishes Roland PH-ZTI XS Trigear 914 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409255#409255 browse Un/Subscription, FAQ, http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List Forums! List Admin. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:39 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: No Title Thanks Paul! I felt it was almost like reading Reader=C2=B4s Digests...but not so boring and this time even happily completely free (normally here 750 euros /hour = 1014 US $ /hour). Raimo=C2=B4s hands were shaking but fortunately he was sitting on the back seat with kids. Look how fun they had! What=C2=B4s =9CKudos=9D ? Marke From: Paul McAllister Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: No Title I took some rotary wing lessons in an R22. It was a bit like skipping over a rope, patting my head with one arm and patting my tummy with the other while winking with one eye and singing at the same time. Oh, and the best part was that it was tearing $100 bills and tossing them out of the window while I was doing it. Kudos to Marke !! do not archive On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Roland wrote: Congrats to Marke for her superb R 44 handling skills - what I have heard is, that the R 44 handling is not too easy. Best wishes Roland ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:58 PM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: No Title Hi! Marke! Really well done, proud of you, but for me I=99m never happy being in a vehicle whose =9CWings=9D go faster than the =9CVehicle=9D! Kudos =Glory,> Fame,> Renown > Love to you all. Bob H XXX G-PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: 26 September 2013 17:17 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: No Title Thanks Paul! I felt it was almost like reading Reader=C2=B4s Digests...but not so boring and this time even happily completely free (normally here 750 euros /hour = 1014 US $ /hour). Raimo=C2=B4s hands were shaking but fortunately he was sitting on the back seat with kids. Look how fun they had! What=C2=B4s =9CKudos=9D ? Marke From: Paul McAllister Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2013 6:12 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: No Title I took some rotary wing lessons in an R22. It was a bit like skipping over a rope, patting my head with one arm and patting my tummy with the other while winking with one eye and singing at the same time. Oh, and the best part was that it was tearing $100 bills and tossing them out of the window while I was doing it. Kudos to Marke !! do not archive On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 5:01 AM, Roland wrote: Congrats to Marke for her superb R 44 handling skills - what I have heard is, that the R 44 handling is not too easy. Best wishes Roland href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href= "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:06 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Changing capacitance probes to float sensors. From: "dpark" The bendable capacitance probes in my aircraft are fitted to the area in the flat space between the headrests. The are bent to avoid the tunnel. I find the are not accurate enough and wish to change to float sensors. Has anyone fitted float sensors that only go as deep as the tunnel? Do the Float sensors use the same bolt spacing as the capacitance probes? Any one with experience of changing system? Dave Park G-LDVO -------- Dave Park Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409310#409310 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:18 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Europa-List: AVRO Lancaster, off topic but still good. For all my Canadian and Brit friends. I think you'll enjoy this. Be sure to watch the videos. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/lancaster-bomber-marks-25-years-back-in-the- sky-1.1865730 Blue skies & tailwinds, Bob Borger Europa XS Tri, Rotax 914, Airmaster C/S Prop. Little Toot Sport Biplane, Lycoming Thunderbolt AEIO-320 EXP 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208-5331 Cel: 817-992-1117 rlborger@mac.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:04 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: Europa-List: Mag drop I have excessive mag drop on one magneto and am not sure where to look for the problem. Would anyone have any guidelines for this ? I have someone's c ourse notes which state that: if you pull the choke while running on the ba d mag=2C and if there is any change in rpm=2C then it is most likely a carb problem. If there is no change then it is an ignition problem. I get an in crease in rpm.The engine ran fine 12 months ago. Since then I changed and r e-arranged all fuel lines. How would I identify the faulty carburetor ? And then what do I look for ?Any hints greatly appreciated.Karl ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:03 PM PST US From: "Bob Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mag drop Hi! Karl, it sound stupidly simple but I recently twice had a plug lead fall off ? I have now fitted plastic cable ties as vertical restrainers. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl Sent: 27 September 2013 00:00 Subject: Europa-List: Mag drop I have excessive mag drop on one magneto and am not sure where to look for the problem. Would anyone have any guidelines for this ? I have someone's course notes which state that: if you pull the choke while running on the bad mag, and if there is any change in rpm, then it is most likely a carb problem. If there is no change then it is an ignition problem. I get an increase in rpm. The engine ran fine 12 months ago. Since then I changed and re-arranged all fuel lines. How would I identify the faulty carburetor ? And then what do I look for ? Any hints greatly appreciated. Karl ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:30 PM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mag drop Hi, Have you checked that the correct leads are on each spark plug. This may seem a bit obvious but worth checking. A while back we accidentally swapped the top plugs on cylinders 1 and 3 and ended up with a 400 rpm mag drop. It may be as simple as that. Good luck Carl From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl Sent: 27 September 2013 00:00 Subject: Europa-List: Mag drop I have excessive mag drop on one magneto and am not sure where to look for the problem. Would anyone have any guidelines for this ? I have someone's course notes which state that: if you pull the choke while running on the bad mag, and if there is any change in rpm, then it is most likely a carb problem. If there is no change then it is an ignition problem. I get an increase in rpm. The engine ran fine 12 months ago. Since then I changed and re-arranged all fuel lines. How would I identify the faulty carburetor ? And then what do I look for ? Any hints greatly appreciated. Karl ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:50 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: No Title From: "Roland" Moin Raimo! I'm sure that the answer to your question, what the minimum safe altitude to cross the Alps is, should be given from someone, who has done that already (e.g. Frans Feldmann) :-) If you go straight over the Mt Blanc Massive (there is normally no need to do that), your plane should be capable for well over 17.000 ft. When you want to travel to Italy, you could choose the Brenner route and 7.000 ft would be sufficient. Care must be taken concerning the weather all the time when flying in the Alps (more than normal) because you have less options and it can change rapidly. So far my theoretical knowledge. Regarding performance at altitude I went up to FL 120 with ease on my way back from AERO fare in Friedrichshafen to my homebase EDLE. The aircraft (and engine) were quite happy up there. The MHC, yes, definetely something I would like to become a member of. I can bring my wife as company :-). Let's talk about that on a meeting at Siljan Airpark with a beer.... what was it - taxiway 9 Y? Hope to see you and Marke at Texel next year (the latest)! Roland Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=409326#409326 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.